I'm not sure anyone (especially me) said it was that important. I just find it annoying that I can't even vape in my own vehicle in the parking lot and that my employer penalizes me monetarily for nicotine use. I'm pretty disappointed that I come here to express my opinions about my employer's negative position on vaping and I'm met with "find another job" if not other even more negative comments.
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Chromag,
It really is a shame that your employer doesn't appreciate your pleasurable indulgence in nicotine.
I'm disgusted that they're taking $20 out of every paycheck and suggest that you verify
that the money is going towards your insurance and isn't
just a punishment or negative reinforcement
to get you to quit.
You mentioned that you're a professional working in a professional environment.
Perhaps you should consider becoming self employed.
See? Didn't tell ya to find another gig.
Break a leg,
Hazy
I don't think this would float in Canada, it appears to be employment discrimination.
I can see how these extra charges would float either.
I can see how these extra charges would float either.
How does that differ from my pleasurable indulgence in gaming, building electronic components with Arduino controllers, and camping in my RV? I hardly find that their business.
Also, that money isn't going towards my insurance, as I've stated more than once in this thread.
As far as the self employment gig goes, Hazy. Are you self employed? Do you have a family to support? Do you vape 0mg nic levels?
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Maybe that is the best advice you ever received, and you just don't know it yet.
Come back and let us know when you are wealthy and wildly successful, and this workplace is just a distant memory.
I think people were seeing you as a model employee and realizing that you deserve better. I dunno why that offends you.
I'm sure but others like to deny obvious facts. Perhaps you should alert your local press and have a read in your paper if that helps.
I agree with you Chrome. It is totally unfair, but it is what it is. I joined this forum for support in kicking the cig habit, and so far it has been a great success. Hang in my friend, vape when you can, stealth vape? Shouldn't have to be this way, but your in the same boat as a lot of us. VENT ON BRO 
The difference is that they, especially since you mentioned they're in the health care business,
think it contradictory to their mission statement. Gaming, building electronic components, and camping isn't likely to affect your health in a negative way.
Well excuse me bud, I must have missed that part...In that case you might consider filing an equal employment opportunity
suit for discrimination
Sure do, I have a family but I'm not the one out here crying 'cause I can't vape at work.
I have a son at home, a wife, a dog, two cats, a rabbit, a house with taxes to pay, two cars and a pick up truck, and the rest of the ticky tacky.
Not to mention I'm an old fart and have to compete with a truck load of self entitled spoiled pseudo-hipsters.
The economy sucks and I'm self employed.
Now, please tell me. Did you just get on here to complain about life
or do you want some positive input?
We all have problems, man.
The problem with vape is just one of many we all have to deal with.
That's life in the big silly.
I suggest that you realize the above and understand that the replicants to this thread are trying to help you.
We could just ignore the whining and move on.
Regards,
Hazy
PS. Forgot. No. I vape 24 mg nicotine juice and make my own.
I don't drink decaf or diet coke either. Can't see the relevance.
You're vaping 0mg. That's good, but to them it looks like smoking and UNPROFESSIONAL
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Nice. I'm being trolled by someone with over 8k posts on this forum.Maybe that is the best advice you ever received, and you just don't know it yet.
Come back and let us know when you are wealthy and wildly successful, and this workplace is just a distant memory.
I think people were seeing you as a model employee and realizing that you deserve better. I dunno why that offends you.
I'm not the OP, for one. I'm not "crying" about it at all. Just find it annoying. $20 per paycheck isn't a make or break issue in my case but I find it annoying. I was just posting it to point out where some companies are moving towards.
Oh I know the economy sucks. I've worked in the IT industry for the last 20 years. 11 of those were with my last job with a family business that didn't work out well and before it went out of business I was "warned" to find a new job before the whole place went out of business.
apparently, in CAN, smoking is considered a *disability* because smokers are addicts:
"an arbitration decision in 2000, Cominco Ltd. v. United Steelworkers of America, Local 9705, concluded that heavy smoking is an addiction and therefore constituted a disability under the Human Rights Code of Ontario. Consequently, Cominco Ltd. was required to accommodate this disability to the point of undue hardship as it would any disability."
so basicallly, they had a "duty to acccomodate" a disabled individual.
Not sure I want my rights to be based on the idea that I'm somehow *impaired*
Now here's a Canadian company that will not hire smokers......yet, as you can see, their policies are very liberal in every other sense ("they don’t track vacation or sick days. Staffers can bring their dogs in to the office. The Ottawa Internet firm takes pride in being different, as evidenced by its website, where you will find, in large letters: “We drink. We swear. We don’t * smoke.”)
"The firm makes it clear there are other rejection factors too — such as those allergic to dogs, since Momentous has dogs in the office. “[Smoking] certainly seems to be the most polarizing,’’ he says, ‘‘but the staff love it.”
"Canadian courts have yet to establish a clear precedent on such policies. Smoking may be legal, but it is yet to be found to be a right in Canada......."
They site 2 different court cases with different results.
http://........com/cafkuq6
I had to make into a tiny url due to there being a shortened word that software may flag
I gotta say, based on my admitted GREAT desire to bring my dogs to work, and that I *would* give up nicotine to do it, I wish I had known about them 10 years ago LOL
Not sure about that one, sub
To me it seems more and more that most don't realize jack or jill.
Go tell it on the mountain, maybe somebuddy will
understand insurance regulations or policy have much to do with it
as well as plain old ignorance and/or prejudice.
later
Hazy
Oh no! An impaired racehorse. Quick, shoot that horse!
Racehorse, that tiny pic or url didn't work. I tried it the other night in a PM and it got filtered.
Anyway, hello.
Regards,
Hazy
in most topics like this, self employment is often suggested, as is seeking a different job.
Offering constructive advice is trolling?
You aren't the first, or the last employee who has or will come on here and describe extremely *restrictive* workplace policies.
Since you vape, and use nicotine, there is nothing else to suggest to you.........other than a hug and "sorry". If I didn't offer the latter, then let me offer it now.
However, since I have background in career coaching it's natural for me to try to empower people to find more satisfying and fulfilling jobs/careers and generally better lives as a result. If that is trolling people, then I dont' know what to say.
Sorry you're having a really disappointing experience at work. I have no answers I guess.
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Chro, I'm not sure we have all the facts. There cannot be a legal reason to just willy nilly take $40 a month from your pay just because you vape or smoke unless you have or the company has some kind of rider in the insurance coverage. Just doesn't make sense to me??
Reguardless, if you are unhappy with how they have gone about things with the additional withholding, you really only have a couple choices, be your own boss or find another employer.
I agree, unless they can justify why they are charging you a nicotine fee, might be worth it to consult a lawyer??
Reguardless, if you are unhappy with how they have gone about things with the additional withholding, you really only have a couple choices, be your own boss or find another employer.
I agree, unless they can justify why they are charging you a nicotine fee, might be worth it to consult a lawyer??
I find it annoying also. If they were applying the $ towards your insurance I could condone it
but if they aren't then they're just punishing you for using vape.
I think there's a an EOOC or your state's wage and hour division complaint to be filed.
It won't hurt to check.
Self employment is a gamble. Most start ups fail. The trick is to gather your marbles
and start another game.
Peace,
Hazy
I think you are right. That site used to shorten urls well.
Just google "we drink, we swear" and the article will come up. In the title of the article they *-ed out part of a swear word, and I wasn't sure if that was okay to post here or not.
[h=1]Momentous Corp.'s Company's ban on smokers leaves people asking 'Who's next?'[/h]
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