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imeothanasis

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However, if you are going to stop sugar coating everything and actually scrutinize it, you need to be prepared to be scrutinized about the review too. It has to go both ways. And you can't take that personally. I don't think Imeo and GG community are taking Tood's review personally and simply want to have constructive discussion regarding factual discoveries.

exactly right zero. Modders are not machines that dont answer. And when they answer, reviewers must not be offend, like modders must not be offend too by reviews. What is needed is a serious conversation about everything.
 
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That's exactly what I meant buddy by saying it wasn't meant to "revolutionize vaping". A mech mod could never do that so it's design intention could never be that. Does it have revolutionary design, yes it has many unique features which I really admire.

I agree on everything you said captain except from the fact that esterigon was not meant to be a revolutionary product. To my opinion, there is no revolution on mechs, just big improvements. A big improved mech product has to have all the possible features on it and at the same time to be small and very user friendly. Thats esterigon.
 

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Right Imeo , thats what I meant . He should have watched carefully all your videos...

yes, I know buddy.

reviewing a device is not a joke. You may destroy someone's business when you just sit in front of a camera without risking anything. I believe that reviewers that have a reputation have to do better reviews like modders try to do better mods.
 

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My 2 or 3 cents on this topic and apart from the first point my points are not pointing against Todd in special but on Reviewers and the "Vaping Hype Scene" in general.

The batteries - EFest 18500 High Drain (V1) - I bought 2 of these for Esterigon and mine fit well from both sides of the tube. Wether its an issue with the wrapping on the battery being too thick or a problem with the tubes threads or tube diameter on Todds mod being too narrow, we don't know.

Voltage drop - the old story... I saw a table on some forum some time ago where the GGTS almost had a Voltage Drop of almost 1 Ohm. I can imagine how the poor mod it looked like...

These comparisons are usually pointless as people forget at least some points when doing tests:
* Take care of a well cleaned mod
* Keep in mind your meters deviations
* Use a constant Voltage Source
* Use a dedicated resistor
* Take several samples and do an error correction calculation
* to be really exact one needs a constant temperature and humidity
After vaping for several years I do give a s##t on some Voltagedrop numbers. I don't care as long as my atty vapes fine and the mod does not get hot. Which does not mean that I feel that my Esterigon has a big VD, its more of the opposite.

Its a good decision from Imeo to focus on electronics now. Each couple of weeks there is a new device that pops up and is better that the rest. Maybe they are but what are the criteria? Looks? Materials? Voltage Drop? Flexibility? Maintainance? Weight? Cost? Does your girlfriend like it? Or your dog?

What is better is alway a personal opinion (or someone elses opinion you agreed upon for some reason).

I think there is a serious problem with Esterigon until now and that is that is too small! Not too small for me as I own an iAtty but with a focus on the majority of vapers - they usually have 22mm or bigger atties which do not look too well on the Esterigon (the Penelopes of course do look great too). Apart from the iAtty there come only a few 21mm atties in my mind: The Aqua, Trident and Steam Turbine (?). But I am sure this issue will be sorted out soon!

This already got longer than I wanted - I hope you don't mind!
 
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That's exactly what I meant buddy by saying it wasn't meant to "revolutionize vaping". A mech mod could never do that so it's design intention could never be that. Does it have revolutionary design, yes it has many unique features which I really admire.

I now understand what you meant Captain. We said exactly the same thing:)
 

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I remember when I received my 1st UFS years ago, the 1st impression was really bad, maybe because it was different from all others and I wasn't with open mind and patience on the 1st days. Soon I realized what I had in my hands and after that I never stopped trying and testing until I get the best results (knowing that Imeo tested the product and got the best sensation with that). Even when any fail was detected Imeo assumed the responsibility (I remember the GG Telescopic under #300, the adjustable center pin of Penelope, etc).

That's why I love GG products, the evolution is brutal and Esterigon seems to be the most perfect and easy mechanical mod ever made (will receive mine this week to prove this!), that's simply great the easy way to change spares, this will be a mod for life as my GG's Telescopic are (saved money and low performance by not buying other "ready-build" batteries).
 

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thats what I dont like Manni. Everyone knows everything and everyone measures everything without any equipment. And everyone comes out with its poor opinion.

I am not talking about Todd that is several years on reviews but for other people that say nonsense all the time.
My only very friendly suggestion to Todd is to be a little more careful and to accept criticism like I do for 5,5 years now
My 2 or 3 cents on this topic and apart from the first point my points are not pointing against Todd in special but on Reviewers and the "Vaping Hype Scene" in general.

The batteries - EFest 18500 High Drain (V1) - I bought 2 of these for Esterigon and mine fit well from both sides of the tube. Wether its an issue with the wrapping on the battery being too thick or a problem with the tubes threads or tube diameter on Todds mod being too narrow, we don't know.

Voltage drop - the old story... I saw a table on some forum some time ago where the GGTS almost had a Voltage Drop of almost 1 Ohm. I can imagine how the poor mod it looked like...

These comparisons are usually pointless as people forget at least some points when doing tests:
* Take care of a well cleaned mod
* Keep in mind your meters deviations
* Use a constant Voltage Source
* Use a dedicated resistor
* Take several samples and do an error correction calculation
* to be really exact one needs a constant temperature and humidity
After vaping for several years I do give a s##t on some Voltagedrop numbers. I don't care as long as my atty vapes fine and the mod does not get hot.

Its a good decision from Imeo to focus on electronics now. Each couple of weeks there is a new device that pops up and is better that the rest. Maybe they are but what are the criteria? Looks? Materials? Voltage Drop? Flexibility? Maintainance? Weight? Cost? Does your girlfriend like it? Or your dog?

What is better is alway a personal opinion (or someone elses opinion you agreed upon for some reason).

I think there is a serious problem with Esterigon until now and that is that is too small! Not too small for me as I own an iAtty but with a focus on the majority of vapers - they usually have 22mm or bigger atties which do not look too well on the Esterigon (the Penelopes of course do look great too). Apart from the iAtty there come only a few 21mm atties in my mind: The Aqua, Trident and Steam Turbine (?). But I am sure this issue will be sorted out soon!

This already got longer than I wanted - I hope you don't mind!
 

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I would understand Todd's opinion if he had said that esterigon was not made for GG users but for all the other users because GG users have a lot of GG mods.

But esterigon is not for all users? :confused:
And what is for all users? A mod that is complicated and also if you want to clean its contacts you need to spend 1/2 hours to do it?
I follow Tod reviews and like most of them, but this was a poor review, this is clearly a device for all, not for GG fan. The review was a lot of talk and few testing..
 

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I think that you always have to watch manufacturer's videos JM. If you dont do that then how you can make a serious review if you dont know what a mod can do?
And I have already said on my videos that brass springs doesnt work like SS ones because they are soft and cant give me the results I want on voltage drop. The harder the spring, the better
I am still catching up on the reading here but I have to agree with Imeos point. I do lots of reviews and I ask the modder questions on things I may not understand or things I find that may or may not be a flag. I never do a review blind because there may be something I miss if its good or bad. Though I do other vids as followups in maximizing the usage of the mod or atty. I find it as a responsibility as a reviewer to show what is the optimal performance you can achieve with the device and be in safety measures. Also I tend to think who will benefit from this device more if its a new vapor, experience vapor, or a enthusiastic vapor, etc.

All in all it has to be honest and not biased. Well that's my thoughts so far as I keep reading on.
 

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you can use it as it is because its not an atomizer that you put liquid in it JM. But you can do some things before or after you use it that maybe my sellers didnt do while assembling it.

1. Screw with pliers the knurled part of the two center posts to maximize electrical conductivity
2. Screw well all the metal parts together
3. no need for now but have in mind to clean the button every now and then with mesh. The way that you have to do that is like when you try to make a nose to a piece of wood with a knife, while rotating the button. So pull off the button, do as I said above and then push the button in place again

Captain is also right too because during assembling, we leave oil with our hands on tubes's threads and contacts
 

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That was the most strange statement Adam and when I heard it I thought that Todd would explain the reasons. But I didnt hear anything. It was like Todd wanted to stop esterigon sales!.

I know i was a little lost i think that he was not prepared for the review and it is hard some times, but from my own experience with today's tech it isn't hard to redo your video or edit it if you find something you have said that you may not mean or be taken the wrong way i must admit i have not proof watched \ read my videos sometimes and when i do see it i cant believe what i have said. All this will pass we are all adults and we make the final choice on what we buy or not.
 
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