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Willy - such wonderful mentally visual postings this morning !
Thank you !

Used to have a clear, sharp mind all the time, now I have some good days but that's about it. I'll take what I can get LoL.

I'll admit this, after all the hits that came some years ago, one hit after another, in a short period of time that left me home bound, room bound, disabled with nothing I could do but dwell on everything that happen. I became badly depressed, secluded and very angry. I come out of it but not the same person I was, that person was gone. I'm still slowly trying to be a better person, I thought I had shed all that anger but I realized recently I hadn't, not all of it. So I decided to try and focus on more positive things, I've been telling myself happiness is a choice, don't sweat the small $**!, let it go. I've been focusing on other things, ignoring small things that irritate me and I'm feeling happier, lets hope for all of us I continue to have good days LoL. :)
 

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Ever have one of those DUHHHHH moments?

I was looking at Prime TV and started watching "Goliath", legal drama with Billy Bob Thornton as a burned out attorney. Anyhow watching on a PC just isn't my thing, even one with really fancy video capabilities when I have a nice big screen in the living room complete with a nice recliner. So I decided I'd run an HDMI cable from the TV to where I keep my laptop, on the other side of the room. Ordered a fifty foot, CMR rated, 4K, with ethernet, cable.

The first problem I hit was an HDMI connector needs a one inch clearance hole. That's not big deal, normally, but the TV sits on a wall that backs up to the basement stairs, double joists and another joist about six inches away, to make drilling a total PITA, steep angle and don't make a mistake with that angle. Directly under the wall is a double wide shelf that would have to be moved to drill the hole, another PITA.

My next idea was run it overhead in the attic. The first problem is the weather has been too darn hot and I'm too old to put up with that heat level. Next problem is the laptop sits in a corner on an exterior wall. That means drilling a one inch hole with very little overhead clearance.

Then it dawned on me, a Fire Stick! No wires needed. DUHHHHHH

An analog man in a digital world.....
 

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On my 75Cs, I pop them out and swap in seconds and it is all reset. Wait... let me pull one out now and pop it back in real fast. Okay it did remember if I swap batteries in 2 seconds.
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Geez! I believe I have come to the realization if you want to kill a DNA board, you swap batteries really fast. Sure 99 times out of a 100, nothing bad happens. Then there is that 1% chance. This is the fourth DNA this happened to me in two years and changing batteries fast is what they all have in common.

I popped that battery out and in (why does in and out just sound better?) of that Therion BF 75C two days ago and I can't recall if I vaped after that or not (if I did, it wasn't much). But early this morning I grabbed it and tried to vape it. Absolutely nothing. Strange, that was a damn near a full battery last time I checked. Popped the battery out and checked it with a meter and it said 0.5v. And I thought no way! Maybe this meter finally died. I didn't grab another meter, but I grabbed a charged cell instead and it said 4.14v.

Dang! Maybe it is really the battery. After all, the meter said it is low and the DNA didn't fire up, so I put a charged battery in and the Therion fired right up. Connected EScribe and nothing looked incorrect or anything with EScribe's Device Manager (DM). Ran DM for a couple of hours and nothing looks wrong. Checked that cell that was just sitting on the bench at 0.5v and it bounced back up to 1.74v. Ah that four year old cell that lost about 40% capacity since new which I was just going to write off anyway was fighting for its life (it's an old blue Samsung 25R btw).

I should probably warn anybody who tries what I do in this situation. It is highly advisable nobody try this at all. But if you do anyway, first thing is to totally expect the cell may go thermal, meaning that it could burst into flames. Within the first 24 hours is your best bet to bringing it back to life again. Next I read and I never try charging any faster than 100ma (any faster than about 1/10C I'd say or your odds of going thermal greatly increases). Also check outside battery temperature (you can't check inside temperature obviously which would be the best). Any signs whatsoever the battery temperature is increasing from room temperature just stop everything. Hopefully you stopped it in time and it ain't going into thermal runaway, but be prepared if it does.

Well many experts say once you got the voltage up to normal range, you can start increasing the charge current. I generally use about 3.2v as the start of the normal range. Well I got it there and slowing started to increase the charge current. I probably shouldn't have done it, but I pushed it up slowly to 1A. I still see a huge danger of it going thermal at 1A. But it behaved perfectly normal and charged to 4.2v. My charger said it fed 2550mah into it which sounds very impressive for a four year old well used 2500mah cell. But that was from 1.74v, so not so impressive but ain't too bad either. So this cell is on the critical watch for a few days to see how it behaves. So far so good.

I can see why I would for a living thing struggling to save its life and if anything I could do to save it I would. But this is a nonliving battery trying to save its life, so why do I even bother? I should just let the dang thing die! In battery years, it is ready for the graveyard anyway. :facepalm:

Haha... bet you all forgot about the Therion BF 75C, didn't you? Yeah well it ain't doing so well. If you put in a full charged cell and didn't vape on it. It would take 12 hours or more to drain to 3.2v (but it will continue until to drain to at least 0.5v anyway with enough time). So I don't really see any hope of ever taking it off life support. Maybe I should just pull the plug on this mod with only 250 puffs on it. :(
 
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Geez! I believe I have come to the realization if you want to kill a DNA board, you swap batteries really fast. Sure 99 times out of a 100, nothing bad happens. Then there is that 1% chance. This is the fourth DNA this happened to me in two years and changing batteries fast is what they all have in common.

I popped that battery out and in (why does in and out just sound better?) of that Therion BF 75C two days ago and I can't recall if I vaped after that or not (if I did, it wasn't much). But early this morning I grabbed it and tried to vape it. Absolutely nothing. Strange, that was a damn near a full battery last time I checked. Popped the battery out and checked it with a meter and it said 0.5v. And I thought no way! Maybe this meter finally died. I didn't grab another meter, but I grabbed a charged cell instead and it said 4.14v.

Dang! Maybe it is really the battery. After all, the meter said it is low and the DNA didn't fire up, so I put a charged battery in and the Therion fired right up. Connected EScribe and nothing looked incorrect or anything with EScribe's Device Manager (DM). Ran DM for a couple of hours and nothing looks wrong. Checked that cell that was just sitting on the bench at 0.5v and it bounced back up to 1.74v. Ah that four year old cell that lost about 40% capacity since new which I was just going to write off anyway was fighting for its life (it's an old blue Samsung 25R btw).

I should probably warn anybody who tries what I do in this situation. I highly advisable nobody try this at all. But if you do anyway, first thing is to totally expect the cell may go thermal, meaning that it could burst into flames. Within the first 24 hours is your best bet to bringing it back to life again. Next I read and I never try charging any faster than 100ma (any faster than about 1/10C I'd say or your odds of going thermal greatly increases). Also check outside battery temperature (you can't check inside temperature obviously which would be the best). Any signs whatsoever the battery temperature is increasing from room temperature just stop everything. Hopefully you stopped it in time and it ain't going into thermal runaway, but be prepared if it does.

Well many experts say once you got the voltage up to normal range, you can start increasing the charge current. I generally use about 3.2v as the start of the normal range. Well I got it there and slowing started to increase the charge current. I probably shouldn't have done it, but I pushed it up slowly to 1A. I still see a huge danger of it going thermal at 1A. But it behaved perfectly normal and charged to 4.2v. My charger said it fed 2550mah into it which sounds very impressive for a four year old well used 2500mah cell. But that was from 1.74v, so not so impressive but ain't too bad either. So this cell is on the critical watch for a few days to see how it behaves. So far so good.

I can see why I would for a living thing struggling to save its life and if anything I could do to save it I would. But this is a nonliving battery trying to save its life, so why do I even bother? I should just let the dang thing die! In battery years, it is ready for the graveyard anyway. :facepalm:

Haha... bet you all forgot about the Therion BF 75C, didn't you? Yeah well it ain't doing so well. If you put in a full charged cell and didn't vape on it. It would take 12 hours or more to drain to 3.2v (but it will continue until to drain to at least 0.5v anyway with enough time). So I don't really see any hope of ever taking it off life support. Maybe I should just pull the plug on this mod with only 250 puffs on it. :(

I'd post a question on it over on the evolv forum if for no other reason then to find an answer why that is, and maybe help someone else avoid killing a board. I wonder if a cap gets a surge from an arc when the battery is pulled, pop another one in before the cap settles down and it get's another surge pushing it over the limit? Ever hear any pop? Just a guess, you guys know more then I when it comes to these individual components on the board. I'm was more a check pin out's against specs, if bad replace, I never got into replacing board components, not something they wanted us to ever do so I had no reason to educate myself that deep. I know the basics of how most work but just enough to be dangerous at that depth. :) Letting the magic smoke out is easy, hard to put back in, never did figure that trick out. :laugh:
 

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Why would you even keep or use a 4 year old battery anyway? I toss them as soon as they start coming on a year.
Yeah, yeah, I know. I keep asking myself the same question. If they just stop fighting to stay alive, this would be so much easier for me. :)
 

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I'm not familiar with the Therion BF, but why not charge it through the USB port on the mod? Evolv seems to have a decent, built-in, charger and that eliminates swapping batteries. It's not a high speed charge, to be sure, but it s pretty reliable in my experience both with the 75 and 75C, even the dual battery 75Cs. The same applies to the balance charger in the 250 series and the 250C charges at 2 amps, max.
 

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    Pretty powerful video Willy. My 2 girls are almost 11 and 13, and I can see it's a struggle for teens today. I hope they continue to grow up healthy and as their authentic selves which I can see is hard with today's hive mind and new external influences.
     

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    Pretty powerful video Willy. My 2 girls are almost 11 and 13, and I can see it's a struggle for teens today. I hope they continue to grow up healthy and as their authentic selves which I can see is hard with today's hive mind and new external influences.

    Yeah it is very hard for kids to sort out right and wrong today, they get hammered with mixed messages from everywhere. When my daughter was young I had a chat with Dad along those lines, how could I make sure I was doing a good job as a father? The advice that stuck with me the most, let them always know how much you love them, how you want whats best for them and that they can come to you with anything without fear of judgement. Be a parent, not their friend. Show them by example, don't go by; do as I say, not as I do and let them see you step up and admit when you are wrong and apologize for it. Last he said, that's about all you can do, teach them right from wrong and after that they have the responsibility to conduct themselves as they should, if they fail they will have to face the consequences for wrong decisions but don't bail them out, it will be your instinct to save them but if you do they won't learn a thing, it will hurt to watch it but that's why they call it tough love.

    I think the best thing Dad did for me was make me face the consequences for my bad choices, at times I was hurt and mad because he wouldn't help but as time past and I looked back I knew he did the right thing. I know I disappointed and hurt him sometimes, I'm sure it was hard for him to not intervene but I'm glad he didn't.
     

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    Ah that four year old cell that lost about 40% capacity since new which I was just going to write off anyway was fighting for its life (it's an old blue Samsung 25R btw).

    Surely you've discarded that cell by now? I had a sony vtc5a that got drained to 1.9v in a defective dna75 mod that vented in a different dna75 last week. Nuclear meltdown of the pos side of the batt carriage in the Lavabox. Of course I fixed the mod but I will never try using another Li-on cell that's been pulled down under 2.9v.
     

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    Just had a thought of something I might try and wondered if anyone else has. Problem I have is my single wire (no claptons) dual ni200 coils junk withing a few days, they come in around.03 ohm and I run them between 400-430 deg F with rayon for wicks in the mizers and a high VG ratio 80-90% VG. I have found fruit flavors last longer then anything else, up to a week where some desert and candy flavor can be gunked in 24 hours on the extreme side. My thought is, I wonder if I'm not getting enough juice to the wire and a thinner layer cooks off faster making the coils crud faster? With the thick juice I was thinking of taking one of the mizer decks and opening up the four juice feed holes in the bottom of the deck, not much to loose, one deck if starts flooding. What's the consensus on more juice on the coils limiting how fast they crud? Thoughts?

    The other thing I need is a source for more set screws for the mizer decks, I need the flat faced screws, the cupped set screws cut into the soft nickle, creates a thin spot on the wire and throws the resistance off due to that thinned contact point, I can end up get one coil that runs hotter then the other and that doesn't help keep the coil crudding down. I haven't had any luck finding good quality flat faced stainless screws, I've order a bunch from FT that were supposed to be flat and they weren't. I also bought some spare OEM Steam Crave decks and the newer ones came with cupped screws. Anyone have a source?
     

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    I don't know what to tell you, Willie. I use either SS430 or Ti coils in everything other than an FEV V4 for a DNA40. My flavors have relatively low, to no, sugars in them so I get 150ml and up on each build. Sounds to me like the big problem is the amount of sugars, carbon heavy flavors.

    I routinely file the clamp end of the set screws flat to remove that "cup" effect from the way they're made. If I don't do that, they're basically wire cutters.
     

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    I don't know what to tell you, Willie. I use either SS430 or Ti coils in everything other than an FEV V4 for a DNA40. My flavors have relatively low, to no, sugars in them so I get 150ml and up on each build. Sounds to me like the big problem is the amount of sugars, carbon heavy flavors.

    I routinely file the clamp end of the set screws flat to remove that "cup" effect from the way they're made. If I don't do that, they're basically wire cutters.

    Yeah I'm sure your on the money with the stuff in the juice, apparently the flavorings for fruit flavors are either cleaner and/or they have to use less. The candy and desert flavors are wonderful but boy they crud up faster. I've tried to force myself to switch to different wire but I just can't get the same level of flavor that I get with nickle so I'm just going to stick with it.

    I've been filing down the set screws too, it's a PITA messing with them tiny buggers. I'll try setting the dremel with a sanding disk in the vise, put the screws on an allen wrench and see if I can't speed up the process, maybe I can bang a bunch out so I have a bit of a stock on hand. The first order of the flat faced from FT were 50-50 flat/cupped so I sorted them and place a bigger order for more, the second order was all cupped.

    Think I'll just drill out the feed hole on one deck and run an experiment, see if more juice feeding the coils will change anything. I get tons of vapor from my builds so I may already be getting a sufficient supply feeding, it's worth the trail to see what happens even if I trash one deck, it's only $8.
     

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