fc-2000 porous ceramic wick

[calpis]

Well, I tried Rip's method and wasn't fond of the taste. Then I did what Vapdivrr did and burned off the cheesecloth with the coil and the gap was too much between the coil and the wick (used about 9in. of cheesecloth thread) and was unvapeable. Busted out the tweezers and started pulsing the coil while pulling the coil tight from the bottom and working my way up. I had about an extra 3mm of wire at the top, so I re-tightened the coil with positive terminal and all the coils were snug against the wick. It's working wonderfully at the moment, still have to tilt since it's a 3/32nd. I tried to do this before with a hand wrapped coil and was pretty tough to tug at the coils with the tweezers. I guess having that little extra slack from the burned off cheesecloth made pulling at the hot coils just a bit easier.

 

[FrogHat]

I loosened up my bottom screw on my ZAP and tightened up my coil using tweezers=vapor production is up a bit, only 24 hrs on this coil so I figure one more day and it should be even better.

 

[vapdivrr]

I loosened up my bottom screw on my ZAP and tightened up my coil using tweezers=vapor production is up a bit, only 24 hrs on this coil so I figure one more day and it should be even better.

do you leave your fill hole open? am i correct in saying that the fill hole in the zaps are sort of small? it does seem like zap owners are not quit getting the same results as other gennys and maybe this is why. not a 100 percent on this, just a huntch. i think dsmooch is using a zap, we will see if his results are the same

 

[vapdivrr]

hey vap, great vid! sorry I couldn't be of much help yesterday...
About the 1/8, I just set up my ZAU yesterday, grabbed a 1/8 wick, just slid in easy. The ZAU doesn't have the air flow of the DID so it took a bit longer to break in (~3/4 tank vs 1/3). all smooth now. Something I'm willing to put up with. Of course, I shock those poor wicks at .9ohm with a 3/4 28g and they open their mouth like hungry trouts.
But as you said, the key is to have those coils snug. Thats the tricky part... a pair of long nose pliers, half a turn on the last coil grabbed with the wick, and you got those coils almost inlay...not much of a build up left to compensate! I don't honestly see vapers with a long ss background going cheese cloth on this one but that's definitely a tool in the bag...

edit: and what about ribbon kenthal on ceramic?

hey buddy, so how is the zap comparing to the other set-up with the ceramic?

 

[vapdivrr]

i do like gdeals idea on the ribbon for a pre-coil. with regular wire it just seems to squish as you slide, but with ribbon?

 

[vapdivrr]

also i would like to add that when watching rips vid, i wasnt sure if he dry burned off all the cloth(maybe i have to watch it again). when i did it i almost burned most away, although the wick was wet. so i wasnt sure if i had just destroyed what i had wrapped, but it worked real well. it is possible that i wasnt suppose to dry burn the cloth at all, and that it should stay on the wick. but it worked out great in the end. i dont however like to dry burn the ceramic without any juice on the wick.

 

[FrogHat]

do you leave your fill hole open? am i correct in saying that the fill hole in the zaps are sort of small? it does seem like zap owners are not quit getting the same results as other gennys and maybe this is why. not a 100 percent on this, just a huntch. i think dsmooch is using a zap, we will see if his results are the same

Yes, my fill hole is opened. I will say that the draw is a bit restricted as the coil/wick is breaking in......and I have no clue why.

 

[vapdivrr]

Yes, my fill hole is opened. I will say that the draw is a bit restricted as the coil/wick is breaking in......and I have no clue why.

interesting, just with the ceramic wick? this restriction was never felt with ss? this does kind of make sense if not enough air is getting in. thats the thing with these devices, all gennys are quit different in design, so who knows, but i do think it has something to do with the small fill hole.

 

[FrogHat]

interesting, just with the ceramic wick? this restriction was never felt with ss? this does kind of make sense if not enough air is getting in. thats the thing with these devices, all gennys are quit different in design, so who knows, but i do think it has something to do with the small fill hole.

Same thing happened after 2-3 days with SS.
Small fill hole, maybe could also be the large wick

 

[FrogHat]

This is what mine looks like with a 1/8" and 32 gauge kanthal.....not too sure of quality, I tried.
Yeah...quality sucks

 

[Thrasher]

yea the zaps have a teeny tiny fill hole.

 

[FrogHat]

yea the zaps have a teeny tiny fill hole.

And I would be more than happy to have it drilled to a larger size if that's what it takes to perfect this.........No problem there

 

[vapdivrr]

And I would be more than happy to have it drilled to a larger size if that's what it takes to perfect this.........No problem there

at this point i cannot answer that for sure. i do know that one subscribers to my u-tube page has mentioned that they get dont get the same results with their zap compared to another one that they have set up on another genny. the main reason seems to me to be the small fill hole. now with ss mesh this issue may not matter as much as ceramic, but i think with ceramic being a different type of wick, it is a necessity for optimum performance. i would hate for you to drill it out for no reason, but my gut on this is that it would make big difference. now dsmooch has had a perfect ceramic wick going in his did for a week with the same results as me. he just stated that he just wicked a zap, so we will see how his zap performs compared to his did. my initial set up with ceramic really didnt start to break in for like 2 days, but i wasnt vaping it alot in those 2 days, just a few vapes here &there. so i guess we will have to see what may happen here in the next day.

 

[vapdivrr]

froghat, i wish you had a 3/32 wick for the zap, i think this would of worked good with the insulator in. this would of been a good way of definatly knowing if air flow has a very big play in the ceramic.

 

[vapdivrr]

This is what mine looks like with a 1/8" and 32 gauge kanthal.....not too sure of quality, I tried.
Yeah...quality sucks

as far as i can see froghat, the set-up looks perfect. they seemed to look tight and your getting some nice buid up on it. i know you said that you sanded the wick a little, is this the diameter or up & down? if you did sand up & down, has this made it better not being so tight in wick hole? if so, then i would have to say it is the air flow restricting this set-up and you would either need a slimmer wick or open up fill hole. but still i would wait till the end of day tomorrow to see if it might just get better by itself.

 

[FrogHat]

as far as i can see froghat, the set-up looks perfect. they seemed to look tight and your getting some nice buid up on it. i know you said that you sanded the wick a little, is this the diameter or up & down? if you did sand up & down, has this made it better not being so tight in wick hole? if so, then i would have to say it is the air flow restricting this set-up and you would either need a slimmer wick or open up fill hole. but still i would wait till the end of day tomorrow to see if it might just get better by itself.

Actually I left the top alone, I only sanded the portion that goes through the hole plus a little on top and on bottom for flow purposes.
I don't plan on drilling anything yet....but I will if I have to, I happen to be working at a shipyard and they have the facilities to accomidate
Tomorrow is my day off so I plan on tweeking this bugger some more, I am not sure I can get that cheese cloth (I'm in Japan) I am not saying they don't have it....I'm just not a local and the language barrier kills me.

 

[Hello World]

am i correct in saying that the fill hole in the zaps are sort of small?

No larger than 19 ga syringe tips.

the main reason seems to me to be the small fill hole.

The hole is large enough to easily take in air ... it's not that small, but still too small to fill from most bottles directly.

* Edit: 18 ga corrected to 19 ga.

 

[vapdivrr]

Actually I left the top alone, I only sanded the portion that goes through the hole plus a little on top and on bottom for flow purposes.
I don't plan on drilling anything yet....but I will if I have to, I happen to be working at a shipyard and they have the facilities to accomidate
Tomorrow is my day off so I plan on tweeking this bugger some more, I am not sure I can get that cheese cloth (I'm in Japan) I am not saying they don't have it....I'm just not a local and the language barrier kills me.

jpan, very cool. sushi? yes i would give till tomorrow, then if still no good, maybe try making the wick just a little more slim, like you said maybe just the bottom half. the problem is that all this nice build up that has aquired on the wick maybe lost, thats where that cloth can come in handy. i dont think you need the same stuff, as long as it is unbleached stuff, like thread or thin yarn, or maybe just some piece of gauze, just to see if any changes are accuring. i really believe its the airflow in zap, if the wick just had a little more space to breath... anyways just for an expierment i screwed in my fill hole. you wont believe what is happening...... more vapor! it is so so thick now, sorry i dont mean to get you going, but i thought it would decrease the amount. but in my case the wick has so much space between the wick and wick hole it doesnt matter i guess. although i am getting more vapor, the flavor is slightly deminished, plus i am eating up so much dam juice i cant keep screwing and unscrewing the screw, so i will leave it out... talk to you tomorrow, sionora...

 

[vapdivrr]

No larger than 18 ga syringe tips.

wow that is small. in the aga, i fill up using a 16g needle, and there is room to spare. in ss this is not an issue i guess, but ceramic might need more air flow, not sure yet.

 

[FrogHat]

although i am getting more vapor, the flavor is slightly deminished, plus i am eating up so much dam juice i cant keep screwing and unscrewing the screw, so i will leave it out... talk to you tomorrow, sionora...

Ahhhhh........there it is, my flavor is off. Maybe more air flow is the ticket. I will sand this puppy down real good tomorrow Thanks