fc-2000 porous ceramic wick

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elias did this vertical wet burn a while back with the same results on our wicks. is this rauschert wick supposed to be different to fc- wicks? It might be a 4 Ω coil at 4v, and at very low wattages the coil doesn't glow

These are a mystery to me. Just put up the vid because of the curiosity. No doubt the German version is coming though.
 

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I forgot to mention to you guys the other day when I spoke to mr. fc-2000, he did mention about zen adding ceramic wicks to all his gennys, also if you guys like the openness of the newer, more recent fc-wicks, there is even a newer design coming in the next couple weeks, these will even be better. he stated that he has been trying to perfect the right amount of open area for maximum performance, which he says this newer batch is the best so far. I haven't watched the new video yet, but from what you guys are saying about the ceramic not wicking contradicts my talk with da man. he told me that when testing these wicks for wicking, one of the tests is just to simply add a small cotton ball on the top of the wick and drop it into some juice. he said in the upcoming wicks, this time is by far the fastest, sounds like wicking to me. I believe the heat of the ceramic counter acts this capillary action of the ceramic, so initially the wick does wick, but unlike ss mesh wicks, the ceramic get hotter and stays hotter for longer, thus drying out the juice on the wick. I also believe that this is why the smaller 3/32 wicks perform better, they do not get as hot and the heat is dissipated quicker which ultimately might make them wick better. maybe a better term for the way a ceramic wick works is by absorption or maybe its adsorption, I think its the latter.

I think the cotton ball test is a good way to test both true capillary action and pure flow. From what I have seen on ceramic, there is a great deal of variability in how the pores connect. (its not just open space) Hopefully he has worked out the structure to minimize the "dead ends" that other porous ceramic products have. But it sounds like this guy is all over the parameters for optimization, which is a good thing for us.
 

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I think the cotton ball test is a good way to test both true capillary action and pure flow. From what I have seen on ceramic, there is a great deal of variability in how the pores connect. (its not just open space) Hopefully he has worked out the structure to minimize the "dead ends" that other porous ceramic products have. But it sounds like this guy is all over the parameters for optimization, which is a good thing for us.

to be honest, "open space" is just my words. when I spoke to him the terminology he was using was quite different and I didn't really understand all of it.
 

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I just received short of a dozen of the newer FC-2000 1/8 ceramic wicks from Tankecig. One of them was cut too thick, about 3.5mm to 9/16 -- perfect.

30ga Kanthal, 4/5 wrap, 1.6ohm ... considerably more vapor when tipped. On par with my 4mm Topfin, but flavor/taste a little better. Drawback, and I may eat my words by weekend, it red-coils vertically with 1/4 tank of juice, capillary action not all that good so far.

Very fast break-in period too, about 1/2 tank on an electrically annealed hand-wrap. vaping unflavored -- the taste far better than 28ga SS with same DIY mix, nic-taste more pronounced, slightly better TH, although smoother overall vape. I may have to cut my nic down again, it's hitting me quite hard. I'm at 6mg, try 5 or 4. Mech PV was used.

These wicks seem a little better than the ones I bought from them in February.

I believe the heat of the ceramic counter acts this capillary action of the ceramic, so initially the wick does wick, but unlike ss mesh wicks, the ceramic get hotter and stays hotter for longer, thus drying out the juice on the wick.
Exactly why I hand-wrap my 30ga Kanthal wicks. There is a balance, too loose, and you are heating air, too tight, too much heat lost into the ceramic, and why the cotton method works so well. Same reason I'm not experiencing any heat-sink effect on my 4mm wicks. Coil oxidization and letting the crap build up around the coils seems to work best for me.
 
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I just received short of a dozen of the newer FC-2000 1/8 ceramic wicks from Tankecig. One of them was cut too thick, about 3.5mm to 9/16 -- perfect.

30ga Kanthal, 4/5 wrap, 1.6ohm ... considerably more vapor when tipped. On par with my 4mm Topfin, but flavor/taste a little better. Drawback, and I may eat my words by weekend, it red-coils vertically with 1/4 tank of juice, capillary action not all that good so far.

Very fast break-in period too, about 1/2 tank on an electrically annealed hand-wrap. Vaping unflavored -- the taste far better than 28ga SS with same DIY mix, nic-taste more pronounced, slightly better TH, although smoother overall vape. I may have to cut my nic down again, it's hitting me quite hard. I'm at 6mg, try 5 or 4. Mech PV was used.

These wicks seem a little better than the ones I bought from them in February.


Exactly why I hand-wrap my 30ga Kanthal wicks. There is a balance, too loose, and you are heating air, too tight, too much heat lost into the ceramic, and why the cotton method works so well. Same reason I'm not experiencing any heat-sink effect on my 4mm wicks. Coil oxidization and letting the crap build up around the coils seems to work best for me.

interesting, this is the first time I have heard that a ceramic wick coiled to tightly might not perform as well as a slightly looser one, and when you think about it, it seems to make sense how it might relate to the heat sink issue. so who knows, will we becoming full circle?
 

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interesting, this is the first time I have heard that a ceramic wick coiled to tightly might not perform as well as a slightly looser one, and when you think about it, it seems to make sense how it might relate to the heat sink issue. so who knows, will we becoming full circle?
Applies to 30ga which I have been wrapping. I guess optimally we want only juice on the coil, and only enough so it vaporizes to our tastes. My wiring is tight, just not that tight, and not so much that heat sink issues come into play, and whatever isn't fully against the wick will be bridged with coil crud. Because these wicks appear to be more irregular, I'm sure I could glow the coils and push them inward here and there. I might just test for that one day.

just watched the most boring pbsaurdo video ever. but I do like the fact that zen in a way has endorsed ceramic.
He's tied in with Provape who I would imagine will be selling the wicks. The CF-2000 Maker, Zen, Provape ... that's a lot of semi-official confidence in a product.
 
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elias did this vertical wet burn a while back with the same results on our wicks. is this rauschert wick supposed to be different to fc- wicks? It might be a 4 Ω coil at 4v, and at very low wattages the coil doesn't glow
that's true... also the wick he's using looks well broken in and he has a full tank. if you take an fc that is a few days old and do 8s pulls/8s rest (more of less what he's doing) on a full tank, you'll get the same results (with a good EHW).you'll see that the quality of the vapor changes about the 7-8s mark, it looks harsher as the wick dries out. Now that the fc is getting fine tuned even more, I don't think the battle will be one of efficiency, more one of prices... I think the germans will be able to make the wicks more affordable and drive the prices down which is what we want I guess.

edit: I don't think those wicks are just a 'conduit' btw, I really think they wick. Sorry if it contradicts ZEN's findings, but my vaping experience points to another empirical data...
 
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May not be be mutually exclusive based on capillary attraction, part of the definition of a wick itself. What I got is that ZEN simply meant to convey "as a way of" rather than get technical about it. But then I may have overseen something.


I just re-read my earlier post.. I must have had one of those moments. :facepalm: Of course the ceramic wicks...it could just wick better. You are correct Hello World. I edited my earlier posts. ...just eating crow here...carry on.
 

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I just re-read my earlier post.. I must have had one of those moments. :facepalm: Of course the ceramic wicks...it could just wick better. You are correct Hello World. I edited my earlier posts. ...just eating crow here...carry on.
Evoked images of a ~ZEN mini-me carrying buckets of juice up a spiral staircase inside the center of the wick ... :laugh:

A Pilsner all around. Cheers
 
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From what I've seen inside of catalytic converters, they would not work well. The holes are too large. But this was a long time ago. Some have pellets inside of them.
Does anyone know the details of a catalytic converter, I know its porous and it certainly is high temperature, anyone in the automotive industry that has a new one that was damaged somehow that can do some tests to see if it wicks..... ?
 

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Hi guys. Something that was suggested in another thread. Might prove beneficial to you all who like to keep to the smaller diameters of ceramic, but are pushing the limit with wick hole size. Should work great with what you're receiving.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd292/scubabatdan/FlowerWick_zps4fd70cc2.jpg

Later.

when I mentioned yesterday that the newer fc-wicks that will be coming out soon will be something that is supposed to wick the best so far, this I believe is the new design. pretty sure that they will be scored along the sides
 

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I was using my omega mod with my ac-9 yesterday, as I was driving home and listening to some music, I found myself tapping my mod on my knee in beat to the sounds. when I got home I started to realize that I wasn't getting a good vape, opened it up and the darn wick had broke. instead of putting in another 1/8 wick, I installed a 3/32 wick into the other wick hole(theres 2 wick holes,& 1-fill hole in the ac-9) which is kind of far from the neg screw, but its working great.
 
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