FDA FDA Bans Pure and Highly Concentrated Caffeine

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I feel stupid now.....
Please don't. I was only half kidding, haven't bought by the gallon yet. I don't think I need to get in a big hurry yet; would just rather not have to think about it. Figure buy a gallon now and another black friday.
 

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Is it too late to start saving for a walk in freezer and 55 gal drum of nic?
You don't need a walk-in freezer to store 55 gallons of nic. One cubic foot is over 7 gallons, and chest freezers with 21 to 24 cubic feet of capacity are readily available at any appliance store. :)
 

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Well I ordered two more liters of heartland vape for under $100 shipped. I was happy with the price, and I'm just glad to be freaking DONE. This ant (not grasshopper) needs a rest from thinking about it anymore.

We rarely get electrical outages, but if it happens I may FREAK. LOL. The husband has been discussing solar panels though, I might just start encouraging him.

Anna
 

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I have a question though. .. isn't this unconstitutional?

Can congress cede the power to make law to the FDA like this? Because basically they have..

Congress made one law giving basic law making control to the FDA, and it seems unconstitutional since no one in the FDA is an elected official so basically they are making laws (such as its illegal to sell caffeine concentrate to consumers) and we have zero representation concerning these new laws.

Yep. It’s technically presidential powers. he appoints them. All the regulatory agencies are like that.


No president has the power to make law. It is the job of congress. And apparently congress passed their duties to the FDA with the tobacco Act BUT not for anything else that I am aware of.

And, if they do, as appears to be the case here, if not challenged by anyone in court, they will just do it because no one is screaming and yelling. Big step in losing our republic as we have known it.

Yes the president makes appointments to heads of agencies, but mostly they are just a front person and they have to be vetted and approved via proper channels from other parts of the government.

All of this just shows how far off base and corrupt the gov has become. You should be afraid, very afraid. I know I am as I see our freedoms continuing to be mutilated. It seems no one gives a crap anymore. OR they think someone else will do it. OR the children are not properly being taught in school how the gov is suppose to work. Our nation has become sheep, its shameful.
 

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No president has the power to make law. It is the job of congress. And apparently congress passed their duties to the FDA with the Tobacco Act BUT not for anything else that I am aware of.

And, if they do, as appears to be the case here, if not challenged by anyone in court, they will just do it because no one is screaming and yelling. Big step in losing our republic as we have known it.

Yes the president makes appointments to heads of agencies, but mostly they are just a front person and they have to be vetted and approved via proper channels from other parts of the government.

All of this just shows how far off base and corrupt the gov has become. You should be afraid, very afraid. I know I am as I see our freedoms continuing to be mutilated. It seems no one gives a crap anymore. OR they think someone else will do it. OR the children are not properly being taught in school how the gov is suppose to work. Our nation has become sheep, its shameful.
Yes and no. The appointees have to be approved, but after that it becomes a question of theoretical vs practical. In practice after that the president can tell them what to do and fire them if they don’t do it. This is one reason why so many people are being fired lately. I agree about the general governmental corruption and lack of understanding though. There used to be a class in public schools called civics that taught such things. It was removed though. A lot of older people don’t understand just how weak the American school system has become. Things they were taught are often no longer taught.
 

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Well I ordered two more liters of heartland vape for under $100 shipped. I was happy with the price, and I'm just glad to be freaking DONE. This ant (not grasshopper) needs a rest from thinking about it anymore.

We rarely get electrical outages, but if it happens I may FREAK. LOL. The husband has been discussing solar panels though, I might just start encouraging him.

Anna
This nic is some of the best I have found with a decent price. Absolutely no off smell and as clear as can be.

DIY E-Liquid Nicotine 1 Liter

:)
 

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Yes and no. The appointees have to be approved, but after that it becomes a question of theoretical vs practical. In practice after that the president can tell them what to do and fire them if they don’t do it. This is one reason why so many people are being fired lately. I agree about the general governmental corruption and lack of understanding though. There used to be a class in public schools called civics that taught such things. It was removed though. A lot of older people don’t understand just how weak the American school system has become. Things they were taught are often no longer taught.
Yes, he can fire them but I am glad these people are taking a stand for what they believe in, if they don't feel what he is telling them to do is legal. You just can't run our gov like you do a business. That is because it is not a business and our current president doesn't get it yet. And maybe never will.
 

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    Well I ordered two more liters of heartland vape for under $100 shipped. I was happy with the price, and I'm just glad to be freaking DONE. This ant (not grasshopper) needs a rest from thinking about it anymore.

    We rarely get electrical outages, but if it happens I may FREAK. LOL. The husband has been discussing solar panels though, I might just start encouraging him.

    Anna
    I wouldn't worry too much about losing power short term.
    Went without power for 7 days after last years hurricane.
    Defrosted the freezer...4 year old nic, good as new...
     

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    Things they were taught are often no longer taught.

    I remember civics class (this was middle school). One of the things our civics teacher made us do was watch some of George (Horrible) Bush (I have a strange fondness for W, he reminds me of my dad, that same dopey expression coupled with some sneaky awesomeness/lack thereof depending on the situation, but I always kind of liked him and felt he got really "attacked" sometimes unfairly by the liberals. Like, I watched that movie by that creep (M. Moore), with the scene about how W "reacted" as he was reading to kids in kindergarten, and then later without commentary.... I would have done the EXACT same thing, honestly, there was a brief whispered discussion with the secret service, and I'm quite sure, I, myself would not have LEAPED out of the seat and started screaming, "Terrorism calls! I must leave you now, we're all going to die!!!!!!!!!" etc.)

    But, I digress. We were made to watch some of Horrible's ads.... The first one where he promised to lower taxes, and the second one, where the commercial was identical, except for the fact that he left out the "No new taxes" part as he had indeed raised taxes. It was a subtle but effective message: "Do not let the politicals fool you" and there was a ton of discussion about elections generally, but also politicians generally, and the ways they could be covert, corrupt, etc. I was in public school at the time.

    In private school, during "WWII history" our teacher made us all play Diplomacy as we learned, also an "object" lesson on world wide politics an it made learning so much more fun. LOL, we all HATED each other by the end of the module, but it was sheer genius IMO. Every day we would "submit" our moves and the teacher "calculated" them overnight and posted them on the white board, it was great.

    Not sure it's a fair comparison since AZ sucks for education, but "common core" is just... So, so wrong. And yes, the kids are being propagandized. The overfocus on the latest school shooting just makes me angry. It's not that it's not OKAY for kids to have political opinions and movements, and ideas, but I don't feel they should be instilled by staff OR the media and etc. It's just all about rendering the second amendment useless, and I don't believe kids should have to "front" a political movement, much as I was annoyed at Jenny McCarthy's use of her kid for "autism" and "anti-vaccines." I hear her kid is "better" (he probably grew up and moved out) and yet.... Still shilling (although less) for the anti-vaccine movement.

    If you want to not vaccinate your kid, well, that's your business, I guess, and to a degree I think it should be the parent's personal rights and etc., but here we have a lot of "illegal" kids lodged in schools that don't require a birth certificate (private, obviously, and I have heard tales about this from other parents, so I don't know how accurate it is.

    So yeah, IDK about the latter, but certain matters are a public health issue, especially as they spread. I so hate seeing a correlation (about when vaccines finish, say around age two, when many vaccines are given, well, that just happens to be the time autism strikes, generally, so parents will often confuse a correlation with causation, and I don't love the public health fallout, to put it mildly. The unvaccinated are tools for spreading disease, and the percentage in the US has climbed a fair amount. It's a shame. I don't have a solution for any of it, but I will say that education today is nothing like it used to be.

    Ugh, sorry for the rant. Well, I'm just glad I have my nic stashed, but we need to do more, and speak up MORE in so many arenas. As adults.

    Ann
     

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    We rarely get electrical outages, but if it happens I may FREAK. LOL.
    I wouldn't worry too much about losing power short term.
    Went without power for 7 days after last years hurricane.
    Defrosted the freezer...4 year old nic, good as new...
    Agreed. I've mixed with some older nic that spent a week or so at ambient temperature due to Mathew, and it was fine.

    I also have a set of samples in clear bottles that spent a week or so at ambient temperature due to Irma, and there was very little change compared to the samples that just sit at room temperature all the time. See here.

    In another month or so, I'll be mixing down some nic that's been through both of these outages, and I'm confident it will be fine too. Bottom line (for Anna): By all means, keep your nic in the freezer, but there's no reason to freak over a power outage.
     

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    Bottom line (for Anna): By all means, keep your nic in the freezer, but there's no reason to freak over a power outage.

    Thanks for the info. Yeah, our outages, when they occur, are usually fairly short. But, it's good to know, in any case :) Thanks, both of you :)

    Anna
     

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    I have been saying this for a while but few have listened to me.
    All the while they have been hitting us with how dangerous nicotine is but I also felt that caffeine was just as bad if not worse as no regulations on it. Kids drinking energy drinks like they were pop causing heart beat to go faster one young friend I had in chat got high temp often ............took me a while but finally figured out it was the energy drinks she was consuming. She quit that and things got better. I knew I had issues with caffeine IE: can't drink pop with it or been able to drink coffee even my meds are caffeine free. Most people are not even aware of when it is in something they are taking like cold meds or pain killers.
    I just wish they would ease off on nicotine.
     
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    Meh, I have no need or interest in highly concentrated caffeine, and since this won't affect me I am uncaring...


    ^^ see what I did there?!

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    I'll scream and yell if they banish my ashtray, tar and feather if they sanction my nic but dare they mess with my cubano, expresso or cappuccino then I am done. It is war!

    G'night and good luck all. ;)
     
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