FDA deeming rule could happen tomorrow
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Does it really have to be just the two choices? Does recreational nicotine product have to equal tobacco product?
I get why they chose not to go the big pharma route but it doesn't seem to be working out so well
About the same as coffee as far as I'm concerned, it mimics smoking so well is it's only flaw, it has drawn the attention just like prescription narcotics.
Don't see too many Other Choices that were Out there. That Dye was kinda Cast back in 2009/2010.
It was either going to be a "Drug". Or it was gonna be a "Tobacco Product" deemed.
Would you Rather it have gone down the Drug Route?
Yes, I haven't ate too many RY4 cupcakes. Or any of the other countless tobacco flavorings.Somehow I feel sites will be available that work around this issue. Non designated use sites.
Non-disclosure of use is not illegal. Fertilizer is still sold Retail by the bag - BOOM.
* May be difficult explaining the need for NET flavored Cake
This just sucks, while I'm glad I DIY and have enough devices to last for the foreseeable future it still blows donkey.
I hate the premise of vaping being labeled tobacco, what I hate more is how many hard working honest people will end up losing their businesses.
Ask me again in a couple years. If it becomes a choice between Vuse bold or Nicotrol Cherry ENDS, I might prefer the nicotrol.
Well the FDA just did what you said they cant do. They are not regulating the raw materials or parts
by the manufacturers. They are regulating the use of these things.
Battery,switch,cotton suppliers,wire makers, and the makers of PG/VG,nicotine and
flavors are not affected by the deeming regs as any e-cig sales are dwarfed by sale
in non-regulated area's and, they are not affected by any of the deeming regs. They
can pretty much sell to anyone one at this point. It's what the afore mentioned anyone
does with them is what is of concern to the FDA.
As DIY hasn't been excluded by these reg.s to my knowledge it is unclear how these
regs will affect DIY'ers.
Mike
Just pointing out the obvious.
People don't chew Nicorette or use patches just because they like it. People do take up vaping without ever having smoked just because they like it. It's hard to claim it's a smoking CESSATION device when there is a sizeable group using the product who never smoked. Especially when that group grows larger every year.
Look at it 10-15 years down the road. When more people are vaping than are smoking are you still going to try to hang on to the "smoking cessation device" claims? That may be why you (and me) started using them, but that's not why younger people are using them. It's already a situation where more teens are vaping than are smoking. Clearly they aren't using it as a smoking cessation device, they're using it as a smoking alternative.
Alternatively you could classify it as a true Smoking Cessation Device and limit it's use to doctor prescribed use specifically to stop smoking, with doses and total use being restricted. That's not really the way I would want to go, but it's the only real way you could call it a true "smoking cessation device" for everyone, and not just people like you and me.
As far as i have understand, that's correct. No export or import in Europe any more.
Maybe, maybe not...
No, they didn't. That's how you're choosing to interpret them, not what they actually are.
No, they aren't. They are regulating completed "tobacco products" namely mixed liquids and vaporizers, not individual components. They CANNOT regulate individual components that have a long and well established history of alternative use.
They are not effected because they have a long history of alternative uses in industries that dwarf ecigs.
Take cotton for example. How many thousands of products use cotton? How many different forms of cotton can you buy? Are they going to start regulating the sales of cotton T-Shirts because of ecigs? According to you they could. No court in the US would support that idea if it were challenged though.
Yeah, and I can still buy corn despite it's use in FDA regulated alcohol production.
I've already said. They will regulate the sales of the nicotine solution, but they can't touch the rest because of the well established commercial use outside their jurisdiction. They can't regulate batteries without telling everyone with a rechargable power tool that they need to be 18 to buy a rechargable screwdriver from Home Depot. They can't regulate cotton without telling every store in America that they have to ID every female who buys cotton with their makeup, or buys jeans, or shirts, or even tampons. They can't regulate squeeze bottles that are used by more than a thousand different industries for everything from eyedrops to salad dressing. Even my brake bleed kit includes a 50ml squeeze bottle. Regulate buttons? Seriously? You going to require every company that sells a product with buttons to ID their customers and prevent anyone under 18 from handling them?
Please be realistic here. Your alarmism is more frightening than these regulations.
I refuse to bend over to Government, Big Tobacco and Pharmaceutical and go back to smoking. I got into rebuilding, mixing my own juice, have a stockpile of nic and got into Mech's cause I knew they're out to screw us. They want us to get sick and die for that's where they make their money. As useless as it really is I vote and vote against any Politician that is in bed with them. I also let them know and continue to be vocal about it. Think I'm off base? Just follow the money, it's there plain as day.
I just hope that the juice companies make the logical step. What that is to just remove the nicotine then re-label it for what it is, food flavoring. Then all we need to do is to add the nicotine. I DiY juice but I love the flavors out there
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I just hope that the juice companies make the logical step. What that is to just remove the nicotine then re-label it for what it is, food flavoring. Then all we need to do is to add the nicotine. I DiY juice but I love the flavors out there
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A well versed vaper, able to compile components and supplies from various non vaping related sources will likely have access to everything they need. If that is your only concern, it will all still be there. Some people are concerned for those who don't know how to do all of that, or those who haven't even begun vaping yet.
Hey smoker, you should try vaping, here let me tell you about the 10 different sites you'll have to order supplies from, and here's a few sites with instructions on how to put it all together.
It's also the fact that having to go back to terrible devices that don't even represent our future knowledge and the only choice for the future people trying to kick the habit, they damn sure didn't work for me .........
People do take up Oxycodone without ever using before, just because they like it, teens too ...............
What I'm saying is, all "they" really claim is the nicotine and where there advocating addiction, the 2007 thing is just plain money laundering ...................
For mods, regulated and mechanical, could companies skirt the FDA approvals by marketing them as flashlights and then provide the "flashlight head" that is connected via 510?
The whole youth vaping and nicotine addiction in never smokers is a canard because
of this. The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep
When the cost of the hardware/juice start going up and the taxation hits,
and the total cost becomes onerous people will simply stop vaping
because there will be no addiction or they were using 0 nic juice anyway.(if they were never smokers)
Ultimately these regs are designed to get us back to smoking which is clearly
addictive and stop the crossover from those still smoking.
A population of never smokers continuing vaping is not a economically viable
proposition in terms of the regulatory and taxation schemes that will come into
place. If the industry was allowed to develop and mature on its own sooner or
later the majority of vapers would be never smokers. This would keep the costs down
as there will be no addictive element to keep anyone hooked.
When vaping becomes more expensive than smoking (and it will eventually) it's
back to smoking. Anyone left selling vaping products will go out of business.
The ones that have never smoked won't have a hook. Those of us that have smoked
will not have a choice. The majority of smokers are in the lower income class and will
simply have no other choice.
Regards
Mike
Labeling vaping as a tobacco product is like labeling anything with corn as alcohol, or labeling coffee as coke . It's all about the money, plain and simple, that's the only reason why they're out after the Vape Industry.
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From what I understand ( I could be wrong) the FDA's new approach to intended use
doesn't care what you advertise your product as, it is concerned with what your product
is actually used for. ie., if your flashlites with 510 connections are being actually used
for vaping you are covered under the deeming regs as a tobacco seller.
And for anyone wondering,bye,bye glass devises used for tobacco use.
Maybe not the ones costing hundreds or thousands that are real works
of art but the massed produced items found under counters everywhere
will be history. If not by the FDA, the CDC or ATF or some other Federal
agency will do it.
Regards
mike
If we had gone down the Drug Route, I don't think would even be seeing the 1st Approvals in a couple of Years. And there would have been No Sales during that time.
Like it or Not, we went down the ONLY Route that was Viable.
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