FDA proposes BANNING ONLINE SALES of electronic cigarettes

[Rickajho]

I don't see how the FDA can do anything at all.

BT actually wants e-cigs, because they have to replace lost revenue from decreased smoking with another product. BP doesn't want e-cigs, because they steal market share from their established, albeit woefully inaedequte and potentially dangerous products. (I'll pass on the FDA irony about that topic for now.) And the longer and longer this plays out the longer and longer is the road of established use, no harm that the FDA has to acknowledge, even if they refuse to accept it. The FDA long missed their golden opportunity to "just say no" a long time ago.

 

[chellemakepeace]

Ding, Ding, Ding... I think we have a Winner.

That's what I like about you Willie. You Don't waste a Bunch of Band Width with Long, Detailed Posts. You just Cut Right to the Chase with a Few Simple Sentences.

Sure... All the State of California would have to do is Not Issue a tobacco Sale Permit and it No Good for your B&M. Or your Home for that Matter.

Kinda Chops the Head Off the Snake. Eah?

Hardly, other products other than tobacco contain nicotine and they are hailed as awesome for your health...

Eating nicotine-containing produce like peppers, tomatoes may lower Parkinson's risk - CBS News


Like I said, .... OUT govt. I am perfectly smart or stupid enough to do what I like to my own body. Abortion is legal, but you can be arrested for doing drugs while in the early stages of pregnancy...our government is totally Fuxored.

 

[Mac]

I wish I could Believe that e-liquids could be Judged on there Health Merits. And would receive some sort of Exemption from the Layers of Regulations that I Fear are going to Piled on Them.

But I guess I am Too Jaded to think that they aren't just going to be a Tax Vehicle and in the Sole Possession of BT / BP.

Time will certainly tell.

 

[AgentAnia]

[...]I am perfectly smart or stupid enough to do what I like to my own body.[...]

Ah! Unfortunately, neither the tobacco prohibitionists nor regulatory agencies are willing to admit that fact. In fact, one statement that's stuck in my mind from the recent "public" FDA hearing re MRTPs (I think that's the correct term: minimum risk tobacco products) that Carl Phillips posted to Facebook in his running account during the hearing was that any mandated warnings on tobacco product labels should be at an "8th grade reading/comprehension level." Does that tell you how smart they think we are???

 

[MarKa]

Also, from the article, it's clear that they have no doubts that they will be deeming E-Cigarettes as tobacco products in the near future.

FDA, I'm gonna spoon feed this one to you. The term "tobacco product" implies that the product contains tobacco.

Honestly, we're dealing with a whole bunch of greedy, power-tripping puppets of Big Tobacco. They hide their special interests behind the facade of "protecting the children."

Quick newsflash FDA, YOU CAN BUY CIGARETTES ONLINE TOO. They're trying to ban the sales of BTs competition (e-cigs) by saying its to protect the children, all the while ignoring the fact that children can buy cigarettes online just as easily. Nevermind all the recent studies regardless the health effects of vaping. Nevermind the obvious chemical difference between e-juice and tobacco. They care about maintaining the status quo and lining their satin pockets.

Scumbags.

 

[chellemakepeace]

Ah! Unfortunately, neither the tobacco prohibitionists nor regulatory agencies are willing to admit that fact. In fact, one statement that's stuck in my mind from the recent "public" FDA hearing re MRTPs (I think that's the correct term: minimum risk tobacco products) that Carl Phillips posted to Facebook in his running account during the hearing was that any mandated warnings on tobacco product labels should be at an "8th grade reading/comprehension level." Does that tell you how smart they think we are???

Like I said, they are completely bananas. I am almost 40!!! leave me alone!

 

[Uncle Willie]

Ah! Unfortunately, neither the tobacco prohibitionists nor regulatory agencies are willing to admit that fact. In fact, one statement that's stuck in my mind from the recent "public" FDA hearing re MRTPs (I think that's the correct term: minimum risk tobacco products) that Carl Phillips posted to Facebook in his running account during the hearing was that any mandated warnings on tobacco product labels should be at an "8th grade reading/comprehension level." Does that tell you how smart they think we are???

The reading level suggested for mandated warnings has to do with young people's reading level .. and it should be considered a good thing .. myself, I wish there had been much more in the way of warnings back in the Dark Ages when I first picked up an analog .. which BTW, was around 8th grade ..

 

[Rickajho]

Ah! Unfortunately, neither the tobacco prohibitionists nor regulatory agencies are willing to admit that fact. In fact, one statement that's stuck in my mind from the recent "public" FDA hearing re MRTPs (I think that's the correct term: minimum risk tobacco products) that Carl Phillips posted to Facebook in his running account during the hearing was that any mandated warnings on tobacco product labels should be at an "8th grade reading/comprehension level." Does that tell you how smart they think we are???

That tells me they think it's acceptable for high schoolers to smoke, so long as they are making an informed decision.

 

[AgentAnia]

That tells me they think it's acceptable for high schoolers to smoke, so long as they are making an informed decision.

Eureka! Then they won't need to ban online sales, since comprehensible warning labels will "save the children"!

 

[Uncle Willie]

Quick newsflash FDA, YOU CAN BUY CIGARETTES ONLINE TOO. They're trying to ban the sales of BTs competition (e-cigs) by saying its to protect the children, all the while ignoring the fact that children can buy cigarettes online just as easily. Nevermind all the recent studies regardless the health effects of vaping. Nevermind the obvious chemical difference between e-juice and tobacco. They care about maintaining the status quo and lining their satin pockets.

.. the ability for underage purchase of analogs VIA the Web would require the use of an adult credit card .. the easiest way for a juvenile to get a pack is have someone old enough to purchase for them in person ..

The idea of any protective regulation / law / requirement is to minimize a problem .. the enforcers / regulators / legislators all know full well that full compliance is impossible ..

 

[zoiDman]

Hardly, other products other than tobacco contain nicotine and they are hailed as awesome for your health...

Eating nicotine-containing produce like peppers, tomatoes may lower Parkinson's risk - CBS News


Like I said, .... OUT govt. I am perfectly smart or stupid enough to do what I like to my own body. Abortion is legal, but you can be arrested for doing drugs while in the early stages of pregnancy...our government is totally Fuxored.

Just Curious.

How many Tomatoes would I have to Eat each Day to get say 36mg/Day?

I'm I gonna need to Buy a Bigger Truck?

 

[zoiDman]

Time will certainly tell.

It will. And I do Hope that things Work Out for those depending on e-Cigarette and or e-Liquids Revenues.

Perhaps this can Come into Play in the Legal Phase of off this...

...

Or could it be Argued that Unflavored e-Liquids are Substantially Equivalent to e-Liquids made in 2007 so they should be Grandfathered?

 

[MarKa]

.. the ability for underage purchase of analogs VIA the Web would require the use of an adult credit card .. the easiest way for a juvenile to get a pack is have someone old enough to purchase for them in person ..

Don't they have to use an adult credit card to purchase vape accessories as well?

 

[mytsmooth]

I am confused why the FDA braintrust think they need to create mandates on things they have very little information. Seems backwards to me, they would usually let things go on for quite a while until something bad happens, then draw up laws and mandates to protect the public. This is like the first time in history they are preemptively trying to lay laws down on a product before anything is wrong. Meanwhile, making it easier to get pharms that have a list of side effects that take up 27 seconds of a 30 second commercial.

The BT already has it's ducks in a row when it comes to mandates and laws, the playing is level right now, and they aren't very good at playing that game. FDA is in their pockets already, why not flex a little muscle and tilt the playing field to their advantage

 

[Barbara21]

I am confused why the FDA braintrust think they need to create mandates on things they have very little information. Seems backwards to me, they would usually let things go on for quite a while until something bad happens, then draw up laws and mandates to protect the public. This is like the first time in history they are preemptively trying to lay laws down on a product before anything is wrong. Meanwhile, making it easier to get pharms that have a list of side effects that take up 27 seconds of a 30 second commercial.

The BT already has it's ducks in a row when it comes to mandates and laws, the playing is level right now, and they aren't very good at playing that game. FDA is in their pockets already, why not flex a little muscle and tilt the playing field to their advantage

You answered your own question.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Just Curious.

How many Tomatoes would I have to Eat each Day to get say 36mg/Day?

I'm I gonna need to Buy a Bigger Truck?

The study referenced in that link is like most studies of it's type .. it suggests that nicotine "may" have an effect on Parkinson's as far as prevention goes .. now .. follow me here ..

China has by far the highest incident of Parkinsons per population .. and are, coincidentally, the highest analog smoking populations in the World ..

So, will eating a bell pepper every other day keep you from getting Parkinsons .. ?? The study says maybe .. however, it will certainly not cure you if you already have the disease ..

However, since China has both the highest incident of Parkinsons by population as well as a population that is the world's largest consumer and producer of tobacco, you would think the exact opposite would be true ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

Don't they have to use an adult credit card to purchase vape accessories as well?

I don't know if any age restriction is being used widely .. I believe there was something instituted in Cali a while back that required age verification on gear and liquid but that's really about it .. and I don't know much about that even ..

I think the main thing is, to have a CC you must be 18 AFAIK .. so if a juvenile buys anything on line using a CC, it is thru the permission of the parent, an older friend or relative or thru simply using a parents card without the parents permission ..

 

[Rickajho]

The idea of any protective regulation / law / requirement is to minimize a problem .. the enforcers / regulators / legislators all know full well that full compliance is impossible ..

Whether they are aware of it or not, that doesn't stop pointless and dysfunctional laws and restrictions from being put into place every day. That, unfortunately, is why we have to remain vigilant.

If you do nothing else, become a member of CASAA to add your number to the numbers. Squawking from 250 people - who cares? CASAA getting up there and being able to legitimately state they represent 250,000 "no harm" consumers - or more - it does make a difference. Become a CASAA Member

Doesn't cost you a dime to do it in this fight.

 

[AgentAnia]

The study referenced in that link is like most studies of it's type .. it suggests that nicotine "may" have an effect on Parkinson's as far as prevention goes .. now .. follow me here ..

China has by far the highest incident of Parkinsons per population .. and are, coincidentally, the highest analog smoking populations in the World ..

So, will eating a bell pepper every other day keep you from getting Parkinsons .. ?? The study says maybe .. however, it will certainly not cure you if you already have the disease ..

However, since China has both the highest incident of Parkinsons by population as well as a population that is the world's largest consumer and producer of tobacco, you would think the exact opposite would be true ..

Interesting point. I believe the studies of nicotine's effect on Parkinsons is being done with nicotine absent from tobacco. So, could it be that (given your example of China) there's something in tobacco cigarettes, perhaps another additive, that's negating the beneficlal effects of nicotine when it comes to Parkinsons? Just cogitatin'...

 

[AgentAnia]

Just a reminder to everyone that several representatives from CASAA are meeting with FDA for a "listening session" on Monday, 8/26. I'm sure they'll bring up possible online sales restrictions. Stay tuned....