FDA proposes BANNING ONLINE SALES of electronic cigarettes

[Uncle Willie]

Interesting point. I believe the studies of nicotine's effect on Parkinsons is being done with nicotine absent from tobacco. So, could it be that (given your example of China) there's something in tobacco cigarettes, perhaps another additive, that's negating the beneficlal effects of nicotine when it comes to Parkinsons? Just cogitatin'...

Could be .. or there is something in the bell peppers besides nicotine that's really the active ingredient ..

 

[Rickajho]

Interesting point. I believe the studies of nicotine's effect on Parkinsons is being done with nicotine absent from tobacco. So, could it be that (given your example of China) there's something in tobacco cigarettes, perhaps another additive, that's negating the beneficlal effects of nicotine when it comes to Parkinsons? Just cogitatin'...

Well we always have the WTA option. Just sayin...

Please let's not get too derailed in this thread regarding a very serious issue.

 

[zoiDman]

The study referenced in that link is like most studies of it's type .. it suggests that nicotine "may" have an effect on Parkinson's as far as prevention goes .. now .. follow me here ..

China has by far the highest incident of Parkinsons per population .. and are, coincidentally, the highest analog smoking populations in the World ..

So, will eating a bell pepper every other day keep you from getting Parkinsons .. ?? The study says maybe .. however, it will certainly not cure you if you already have the disease ..

However, since China has both the highest incident of Parkinsons by population as well as a population that is the world's largest consumer and producer of tobacco, you would think the exact opposite would be true ..

Not to mention that Eating the Amount of Peppers needed to get the Nicotine that I get from Vaping may cause Problems with the Other End of my Body from my Head.

 

[Jimi D.]

Whether they are aware of it or not, that doesn't stop pointless and dysfunctional laws and restrictions from being put into place every day. That, unfortunately, is why we have to remain vigilant.

If you do nothing else, become a member of CASAA to add your number to the numbers. Squawking from 250 people - who cares? CASAA getting up there and being able to legitimately state they represent 250,000 "no harm" consumers - or more - it does make a difference. Become a CASAA Member

Doesn't cost you a dime to do it in this fight.

I just signed up ! It took 5 seconds to do so.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Not to mention that Eating the Amount of Peppers needed to get the Nicotine that I get from Vaping may cause Problems with the Other End of my Body from my Head.

Which would then give new meaning to the word Personal Vaporizer .. and likely not in a good way ..

 

[mytsmooth]

Me too, signed up and read about the listening session scheduled for Monday, time to read about that. I wonder who was invited and who was invitee, ill figure that all out after soccer practice.

 

[Rickajho]

Just a reminder to everyone that several representatives from CASAA are meeting with FDA for a "listening session" on Monday, 8/26. I'm sure they'll bring up possible online sales restrictions. Stay tuned....

And please get your responses in for the survey and testimonials in advance of that happening:

E-cigarettes and other Tobacco Harm Reduction strategies: a collection of success stories - 0%
CASAA 2013 E-cigarette Consumer Survey - 0%

I know CASAA wanted the testimonials prior to the 08/26 meeting. Unsure about about the survey data.

 

[JasonK94Z]

This is the govt 51% of the people voted for. You reap what you sow.

 

[JColt]

This is the govt 51% of the people voted for. You reap what you sow.

C'mon, you don't think BT wouldn't have influenced a Republican govt majority? I say they are all corrupt when it comes to money. I have sent letter's to both parties. When I get a reply they all sound the same. Children, health, blah , blah. Both parties are talking heads.

 

[zoiDman]

This is the govt 51% of the people voted for. You reap what you sow.

Why don't we keep the Rep. vs Dem. thing in the OUTSIDE section of the ECF.

Blaming who Voted for Whom Isn't going to make the Current Situation with e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids Any Better.

 

[mytsmooth]

or how bad it could have been had it gone the other way

 

[Kataphraktos]

Cig-a-likes would not escape such a ban.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if they end up drafting regulations in such a way as to ban online cig-a-like sales but not sales of more advanced devices?

Since cig-a-likes are mostly retail, and advanced devices are mostly online, such regulation would end up doing nothing other than making it look like the FDA is protecting the children.

And, given how much regulation in the last 30 years has ended up being window dressing to make regulators look good (Dodd-Frank, Consumer Protection Act), I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being the real goal.

Actually, ironically enough, most all of the equipment is made in China to begin with (Joyetech ain't a US company fer instance) that it would basically mean... longer shipping times?

I actually would find any attempt of theirs to claim jurisdiction over and to regulate the hardware a bit on the humorous side. While the application was novel, the components are not. Not in the least. A lithium ion battery is a lithium ion battery. How do you regulate such to block "e-cig" sales but not cell phones (and iPads and iPods and laptops and... and... and...). Um... regulate the shape? No cylindrical lithium ions allowed? The FDA can regulate electronics? Erm... derhuhwha?

Their regulatory jurisdiction covers tobacco under the recent law. The only element involved that fits is the nicotine. Most commonly (albeit not solely) derived from tobacco and the only part that could be "deemed" a "tobacco product". Beyond that, they have a problem.

Everything else involved has not just many uses but vast numbers of uses. As has been noted around here many, many times, PG is used in "fog" machines. Those widgets do essentially the same thing as a PV. How would you regulate in a way to "hit" the PV without taking out the fog machine?

I expect there will be many, many causes for headaches at the FDA as they attempt this one...

(Let's hide their aspirin!)

 

[nctrekken]

The government should be busy doing other things. I fell it's just another way for the government to be in the middle of something and taking away choice from the people. I don't need a nanny state to tell me what to do and what not to do. Figure a way to keep it away from minors, fine, but give me a break about banning all sales online. Way to much just for something like this. I would like them just to stay out of it all together, but we know they can't help themselves.

 

[tearose50]

Don't they have to use an adult credit card to purchase vape accessories as well?

That depends on the state or local area laws. It is against the law in Cali for a minor to purchase e-cigs, period, regardless of nicotine content.

I'm sure you've noticed that most US on line vendors have you pledge that you are 18 or over to buy from that vendor regardless if they sell liquid. The e-cig industry has been self-regulating and clearly not marketing to the underaged.

 

[vjc0628]

Why don't we keep the Rep. vs Dem. thing in the OUTSIDE section of the ECF.

Blaming who Voted for Whom Isn't going to make the Current Situation with e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids Any Better.

rep and dems do the same things
they just say dif lies to confuse us

 

[vjc0628]

Listen how probable is this ?

If probable when might it take affect?

 

[JColt]

Why don't we keep the Rep. vs Dem. thing in the OUTSIDE section of the ECF.

Blaming who Voted for Whom Isn't going to make the Current Situation with e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids Any Better.

Correct. My finding is that all the politicians favor money from BT. I have emailed countless members of Congress and my State. All of them either say, Raising taxes makes people quit, the children or it promotes health. They wont even acknowledge that I'm discussing electronic cigs. They say, Tobacco Product.

 

[vjc0628]

That depends on the state or local area laws. It is against the law in Cali for a minor to purchase e-cigs, period, regardless of nicotine content.

I'm sure you've noticed that most US on line vendors have you pledge that you are 18 or over to buy from that vendor regardless if they sell liquid. The e-cig industry has been self-regulating and clearly not marketing to the underaged.

that's just what they say its about

Honestly if that were so they would go after those online pill and drug dealers as well as the porn and Indian cigg sites

 

[zoiDman]

Listen how probable is this ?

If probable when might it take affect?

I don't think Anyone knows what the "this" is that the FDA Might do.

But now matter what they decide to do, it Won't be Immediate. you should have At Least a 30 Warning. Probably Much Longer.

 

[chuckie]

These scare threads come up every year or so.The last one I paid any attn. to was the one in which the FDA lost the court decision in the Fl. courts.Thank the gods I only buy from China now.