Fed up of getting ripped off ? Wanted e juice in bulk !!

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dc2k08

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if sellers are buying it by the litre and then putting into bottles themselves, there might be room to move down in price. but if they are buying it pre-bottled, there is probably as much profit in it for them as the hardware which is not as high as they would like it to be due to competition.

a big problem for sellers is that they cannot "lock-in" a consumer to their products as any liquid can be used with any device. this of course is great for the consumer. if they could lock-in consumers i think the liquid or cartridges would be much higher and they would give the devices away. but this is not a possibility with the current set.

it is a tactic that could have worked for loong totem and their no longer unique cartridge system but unfortunately for them, they had more greed than sense and have now sullied their reputation indefinitely. they had the opportunity to earn themselves a base of brand-loyal customers and a large percentage of the market before any clones wars started but maybe brand-loyalty is unknown to chinese manufacturers.

perhaps as pillbox mentioned when EU measures limit how and what e-liquid can be sold in 2009, we will see the price rise further. tests and child proof containers will have to be paid for and dont bet on the chinese to foot the bill. any reduction in their current profit margin will be made up by substituting cheaper components and ingredients. and as we have seen before, that's when things get ugly.

ps: love that Phillip Morris smoking device video from 1997 on ecignews.com lol
yeah sanj, that vid is hilarious. what an over complicated piece of crap. still i would love to have one in the back of the attic for future auctioneering.
 
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Mr.Darcy

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we are being ripped off in the UK,no matter how you slice it...

its got nothing to do with sterling tanking against the dollar...it was like this before that happened...its simply got everything to do with greed...

we're addicted...we're dependent on just a few suppliers in the UK...therefore they can charge well over the odds for what they sell...

and we mugs happily shell out the cash with hardly a complaint...even though we know its half the price or less in the USA for eliquid from the same sources...its ridiculous...

im curious to see what pillbox will be charging for Totally Wicked in America...maybe over there itll be rebranded as Totally Overpriced...
 

pillbox38

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Mr Darcy, you have obviously never run a company and your business sense comes from a junior school economics book.

You try selling fluid at less than i do, of a similar quality, go fork out £8k for tests, 16% duty, 17.5% Vat. Office and storage costs, staff costs, Web site costs, designer fees.

You get on my nerves, slating every supplier bar your buddy mr ecig and his juice...

I really could not care less if users like you want to use liquid Sh>te in their cigarettes...
 

pillbox38

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Another point if its so cheap to get , and so profitable how comes Darcy you havent started liberating users yourself with a quality 30ml bottle at £5.99?

Let me tell you why....Try investing thousands of pounds in 6 strengths x 20 flavours...You think they all move of the shelf like quick silver???Think again.

Go invest your money in a product that has the potential to be banned at anytime....Would you do?? I doubt it because the whiners of are just that..

I dont mind debate, but slating me and my prices gets my back up, post on realities not your fantasies..

My advice to you is ....If its so Damn easy to make 400% per bottle as your suggesting, prove me wrong and sell it to hard doneby consumers yourself at the ridiculously low price you suggest. I can buy fluid in awful plastic bottles, that is riddled with chemicals you would not feed you dog with for $3 per bottle, not label it, not test it, not package it, not comply with any Uk trading legislation for £8 per bottle and make 100%.


I choose not to do it. So be careful who you slag off, and be careful you know what you piping on about before you do.
 

CaSHMeRe

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I put mine on last week !!! ;)
 

scrubadub

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SANJP - Aren't you the chap who was selling a £16 Deal Extreme cigar for £30? When you were picked up on it I believe your response was:

"£30 is peanuts for this ! I spend more than £30 on Lunch Sometimes !!"

How come you can mark up your stuff but these guys can't?

DON'T KNOW IF ITS JUST ME OR ARE WE GETTING RIPPED OFF ON JUICE OR WHAT ?


I mean close to £20 PER 20ML with postage thats nearly as much as my


DSE901 STARTER KIT ITSELF !!

thats like buying a car for £10,000 and it costing you £7,000 to fill up the gas tank !​



 

Mr.Darcy

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yeah,well sorry pillbox,but this is a public forum,not a site for you to advertise your wares,and attack anyone who dares criticize you...and i know more about this business and business in general than you realize obviously,so dont ever take me for a fool mate...

whatever your ambitions,its your customers who are paying for it,so have a little more respect...its not our fault or decision youve invested money in this,so spare me the bleeding heart bit...you anticipate a healthy profit or you wouldnt be doing it...

and i was referring to all liquid sellers,not just you...the totally wicked reference was in relation to UK versus USA pricing,as its the most expensive in the UK...it really was just about how USA companies charge half the price of UK ones for liquid...which is a fact...

and by the way,what suppliers have i slated?
ive recommended you since day 1 to many many people,and always said you were a good supplier...nice to see you appreciate it...sometimes its ugly when people show their true colours...
 

pillbox38

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It surely is, my heart has never bled, and correct i want a profit, but i also serve my customers well.

You persistantly post slights about me, my prices and my products..Your grip on any reality regarding running a successful business and building a quality brand from scratch is pityful..

Your spot on again it is a public Forum and we are all entitled to post what we like..I post what i like, so do you, but start misrepresenting me and i will bite.

My customers and myself work together not as seperate entitys, again your knowledge seems rudimentary on the interwoven relationship that all businesses and their end users have..

My customers guide me, and trying to say i do not respect them shows your thourough crudeness of thought when talking about my relationship with them.

The fact is i would not ever welcome you as a customer again, its like staff..You drop the deadwood and stick with the winners..Your deadwood my friend...Not one of lifes winners..
 

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"thats like buying a car for £10,000 and it costing you £7,000 to fill up the gas tank !" Well, that is a common marketing strategy. Look at cheap ink printers for example. Nothing to whine about.

What I would really like to see is the lowest (zero or 11) liquids selling for lower price than the highest. You do not usually see beer sold for the price of vodka, do you?
 

CaSHMeRe

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What I would really like to see is the lowest (zero or 11) liquids selling for lower price than the highest. You do not usually see beer sold for the price of vodka, do you?

No, but do you see Non Alcoholic or Light beer being sold cheaper than Full Flavored? LOL ...

Beer and Vodka are in 2 different leagues .... LOL
 

ApOsTle51

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The fact is i would not ever welcome you as a customer again, its like staff..You drop the deadwood and stick with the winners..Your deadwood my friend...Not one of lifes winners..

good buisness strategy ???

another suppler posted a similar line towards another forum member not so long ago.
That didnt go down to well with the rest of the community either.

lets try and keep this civil shall we and remember what it says under our user names.

now where's that application for moderator......:rolleyes:

edit: just realized cash has been promoted to admin too....i'll behave sir mr. Cash sir ;)
 
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ApOsTle51

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Don't take this the wrong way Jason , but i'm cringing on what repercussions may come from some of the comments made.

surely as a supplier you would want to welcome everyone as a customer, the money is all the same, or is buisness really doing that well you can pick and choose who you sell to.

must be all that money your making on the juice ;)

haha , sorry couldn't resist that one
 
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Mr.Darcy

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pillbox,give me some examples of my "persistent" slights against you please...feel free to post them on this thread...if you can find any,which i doubt...instead of making false accusations...and any forum members who remember me slagging him off in any post,please feel free to cite examples here if you remember them...

i recommended you to someone just yesterday,and i do so several times a week...why would i do that if i had something against you or your business?

and believe me mate,youll need me before i need you...and if you want to insult me personally,an old and potentially future customer,then that shows what you really think of your customer relationship...

ok...as youve said im constantly slagging you off,which i actually havnt,and youve decided to be personally nasty,threatening and condescending,and accusing me of slander,then i might as well be honest...and this isnt slagging..this is fact...

you seem to think youre something special pillbox,but youre not mate...you sell the same ecigs as every other supplier,theres no unique selling point...except they cost more and have branding plastered all over them,and your customer service is no better than anyone elses...in fact i support "mrecig" because his customer service is actually much better,faster and he's cheaper...and hes a much nicer person too...

so good luck to you with the empire building at all costs mate,even to the extent of this treatment of a customer...i'll never recommend you again...potential customers take note of this guys behaviour here,it speaks volumes...

and dont worry about banning me...theres nothing special about you or your business...i only deal with people who have integrity and decency...i'd start smoking before id buy anything off you again...
 

tonyph

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I dont understand this thread. If somebody ones to buy in bulk why dont they just make arrangements with wholesalers. With the internet that should be straightforward. Why complain about other people who have done that.
Of course prices are high its a new product. Reguler supply chains havnt been established,it takes time, effort and investment to get a business going which is a gamble. Prices will drop as its gets established and competion drives them down.
One of the refreshing aspects of this forum was the conversations between the suppliers and customers. Customers normaly think they are been exploited by greedy businesses and suppliers always feel agreived that the customers dont understand there overheads, risks and how little they are realy making.
 

pillbox38

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Then good, we got to the bottom of your resentment against my business, and myself.. Thank you for posting that...And trust me i dont need you..

And on a personal note i dont know Mr Ecig, i am sure he is a great guy, but it has been blatantly obvious to me for months that you had issues with myself.. I cannot be bothered dredging through posts to find your subtle digs, but they are there..

I might run a business but that does not mean i have to lick everybodies boots. Fact is i would rather be bankrupt than do that..If i lose customers, i lose customers..

But do i believe you have recommended me??Not a chance...
 
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