Fell for a Free Trial Offer - questions about compatability

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Ok, now this is making a bit more sense if the cartos and batteries are wider than a 510...

I'd about bet this is a L88b (also known as Volcano, Sidesho, Blu, 3Dom. This Model is also compatible with the VX2 and J118 model as well as the Joye 510 and similar 510 models such as VX2 (which may just be a J118 or L88b).

Ah, no. L88B is 306 which is super mini, smaller diameter than 510.

the PCC for a L88b has reversed polarity so you can't charge 510 batteries in it

I've never observed this. I have observed Blu's voltage is higher, they are LiPo batteries. 510s fry in it.

If you have a digital multimeter you can easily check the battery polarity.

I can do you one better. I can charge that bat in a standard 510 charger. Standard 510 batteries don't make contact with the center post.
 

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Ah, no. L88B is 306 which is super mini, smaller diameter than 510.

Ahhh NO, LOL... 306 is a Model made by Joye (who also made the original 510 model), it is not a L88b in disguise. :)

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Elizaabeth's model also could be a knock off 510 (happens a lot, Jieshibao (JSB) makes a dandy knock off of the 510 that caused vendors and consumers lots of grief a few years ago with atomizers http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/innovapor/27802-new-vs-old-atomizers-2.html).

The L88b is 88mm long, 8.5mm dia, 10g weight. 60-80 puffs per cart, 90 mAh battery.

The J108 is manufactured by the same company, but is not the same as the L88B (Blu). The J108 is Shenzhens knock off of the M-401 with similar dimensions and battery life (108mm long, 170 mAh battery, 200 puffs per cart) But uses the Blu Style threading and cartridge structure.

Jieshibao's 510 model (J510L), which may also has reverse polarity... this could be that model as well... http://www.jsbcigarette.com/pid9806/electronic+cigarette+battery.htm

There are several thread discussions of reversed polarity 510 compatible models on ECF.

I've never observed this. I have observed Blu's voltage is higher, they are LiPo batteries. 510s fry in it.

Can you provide a reference link to info on the higher voltage and that they are a LiPo? I'd like to see that... It's my understanding that a 510 would fry with reversed polarity...

Regardless, the reverse polarity of the Blu is well known. Use the Google search for the forum and you'll find loads of threads and references. Others have checked with multimeters, and L88b/Blu models DO have a reversed setup to the connectors. This is information that has been on the forum for quite a while, but could be different IF they changed the model recently, but I see no reason for them to do that. They make them this way so you have to buy their batteries and chargers. Makes good biz sense. :glare: Fortunately, they're still compatible with other atomizers/cartomizers.

A 306 (Joye) doesn't have reverse polarity.

I can do you one better. I can charge that bat in a standard 510 charger. Standard 510 batteries don't make contact with the center post.

Interesting... Center post of what? The PCC? Are you talking about a Blu battery or one from the exact kit Elizaabeth sent the photo of? Do you have a multimeter so you can check your batteries? I'm curious and you kinda lost me there. :blush:

Regardless, I'd suggest anyone check a 510 compatible battery (not Joye) it with a multimeter to be sure it isn't reversed before charging it on a 510 charger of any kind.

Elizaabeth is learning way more about all the different models and compatibility/incompatibility than she EVER wanted to know this early in the game... Sorry. :facepalm: Thing is, if it has reversed polarity, you need to know so you don't buy an extra (Joye 510) battery that will be ruined and/or ruin your charging case/charger.
 

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Can you provide a reference link to info on the higher voltage and that they are a LiPo? I'd like to see that... It's my understanding that a 510 would fry with reversed polarity...

If this was true, I couldn't charge a Blu battery on a standard 510 charger, which I can.

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Lithium Polymer. I'd have to dig out my blu mini charger and get a voltage reading, but I'm 100% certain polarity identical, voltage higher on blu.
 

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Ahhh NO, LOL... 306 is a Model made by Joye (who also made the original 510 model), it is not a L88b in disguise. :)

Fine, always presumed 306 = l88b. I could be mistaken. I ask for a 306 addy, I get something Blu sized.



Accepted. I have my Blu wall wart right here, still hunting up my USB charger.


Elizaabeth's model also could be a knock off 510

I have positive it is, or so close to 510 it makes no odds. The ONLY difference I can see is the positive post on the USB charger, it's recessed ever so slightly so standard 510, including a real Joye 510, won't make contact.

The ONLY difference I can see on the cartomizer end is they are slightly larger, as in I can't put them on 3.2v T-rex and put the cone on, the carto blocks the hole. The charger looks identical to many KR8 chargers, and the fit is identical to my KR8 addy's, so I strongly suspect they are just using KR8 with 510 connectors. I can't say this for a fact. Maybe they're just using thicker paper for the carto, I dunno. In any case "e-cigs" (formally Knight Sticks) is so close to a 510 it makes no odds. It's battery will charge on a standard 510, standard 510 batteries don't make contact to the + post. I can throw just about any addy on the E-cigs (formally Knight Sticks). E-cig's cartomizers work just fine my t-rex, e-power, Joye 510, and generic 510 batteries.
 

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Fine, always presumed 306 = l88b. I could be mistaken. I ask for a 306 addy, I get something Blu sized.
You are mistaken. That's called compatibility. Presumptions have no place in the new members forum when answering a question. It causes people lots of problems.

Accepted. I have my Blu wall wart right here, still hunting up my USB charger.

I don't understand what you're trying to prove here... If you don't have a multimeter to check a battery from the Blu and E-cigs Brand (they're not Models), then I'm not going to debate this with you. I also don't know if they've changed the battery recently so that issue is moot until we know for sure.

Someone with an older Blu kit reading this wouldn't know what to think... E-cigs are a fairly new Branded model and there isn't any information on the forum about it. Best to tread lightly when making recommendations.

It's your money and your supplies... charge at your own risk if you don't care to know for sure. Unless someone puts a multimeter on the batteries of the Blue/E-Cigs, I can't see recommending or guaranteeing that it's okay to do this.


I have positive it is, or so close to 510 it makes no odds. The ONLY difference I can see is the positive post on the USB charger, it's recessed ever so slightly so standard 510, including a real Joye 510, won't make contact.

Reversed polarity isn't something you can see in the connections, nor would it be noted on a charger.

The ONLY difference I can see on the cartomizer end is they are slightly larger, as in I can't put them on 3.2v T-rex and put the cone on, the carto blocks the hole. The charger looks identical to many KR8 chargers, and the fit is identical to my KR8 addy's, so I strongly suspect they are just using KR8 with 510 connectors. I can't say this for a fact. Maybe they're just using thicker paper for the carto, I dunno. In any case "e-cigs" (formally Knight Sticks) is so close to a 510 it makes no odds.

When it is another model entirely, it does and I don't think you understand Chinese manufacturing and how they make these models. Small differences such as diameter, a difference in the number of threads on a connection end, air channels or holes for air flow, height set of the center positive post (or negative as the case may be for one that has reversed polarity), etc. makes a huge difference in compatibility for a battery, how/if it will fit in a charger correctly or in a PCC.

Voltage differences in batteries are another problem... some atomizers won't perform well on a compatible battery because of this or because they have regulated power. You should always use the Charger that came with the batteries you have, or buy the model you have to begin with when you get a starter kit. Otherwise, there are no guarantees your battery is going to work right (if at all).

Compatible thread Atomizers can be swapped around usually with no problem, but not always. Example is a 901/KR808D. The air channels on the base of the KR808d cartos make problems when trying to use them on a standard 901 because the 901 batteries don't have air flow channels cut that are needed to keep the KR808 carto from feeling like sucking mud through a straw. An adapter is needed for a 901 battery in order to use a KR808 carto.


It's battery will charge on a standard 510, standard 510 batteries don't make contact to the + post.
Contact to the + post of what? The E-cigs or Blu PCC? Like I said, atty compatibility doesn't guarantee battery or charger compatibility. As far as charging, I don't know enough about the reversed polarity to know if it will actually charge even though it is eventually ruining your battery/charger.


I can throw just about any addy on the E-cigs (formally Knight Sticks).
That's not true, well at least not without an adapter. Only 510 compatible atomizers such as 306, L88b, Joye 510 and 510 generics are going to work. Center post contact issues can be a problem when mixing atomizer models/batteries.

A 401, 801, 901, KR808d-1, 302, RN4072, RN4075, BE112, 4081 (etc...) atomizers WON'T work on it. I'm positive.


E-cig's cartomizers work just fine my t-rex, e-power, Joye 510, and generic 510 batteries.

Sure E-Cig's cartomizers will work on those models... they're 510 compatible (either L88b, 306, or 510 model). That doesn't mean spit when it comes to the batteries of those models.

This isn't my first e-cig model compatible rodeo... :) I had the Blu shortly after it first came out and it had a reversed positive/negative then.

I've had at least the atomizer from every single model we've talked about in this entire thread, if not full kits with chargers/batteries as well as generic/knock off products of those models. Compatible atomizers doesn't mean total compatibility. These manufacturers make small changes because they want you to only buy their model. They could care less if you eventually fry the competition's batteries when you try to charge them in their chargers.

I'd hate for someone to start charging a Blu or E-cigs brand on a 510 just because you said you were positive without actually testing the battery for reverse polarity... it very well may be totally compatible now... they may have changed how they make them, or Blu/E-Cigs may be using a different manufacturer now that doesn't make their batteries with the reversed issue.


We'll see what is up when someone actually tests it.
 

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I have been reading your post and welcome to the forum. I think it would be better and save you a lot of stress if you would just ditch the kit you got on the free trial offer and just go with a 510 kit . You can parts for it at a slew of vendors and it will save you a lot of headaches. I don;t know if he is a heavy smoker or not but if he is you may want to consider skipping the 510 all together and get the ego kit. It has a lot longer battery life and will last a lot loner too The 510 batteries last just about two hours before they have to be recharged while the ego 650 batteries last around six hours and if you get the 11300 batteries they last up to 12 hours before a recharge if he was a llight smoker then you should be fine with the 510. As far as juice goes there are tons of suppliers and like the rest of us OL you will have to try quite a few before you find the oine you like
 

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Obviously from her posts, she doesn't want to spend much money on it right now since this may end with total cessation in the end or may not be her cup of tea. She basically got it for free and isn't looking to put a bunch of money into it right now.

Besides, there isn't anything horrible about this kit. It has a PCC and looks to be an L88b (like Blu) or 510 model clone based kit.

Basically, she just needs a model identification so she can figure out what cartos she can buy for it when she needs them. It's best to use the little kit for a while (if she's happy with it) and then she can decide if she can bring down the level and quit, or if she wants to invest in another kit. If she needs an extra battery or some good cartos along the way, at least we'd be able to let her know what works with it and help her to find the most inexpensive parts or shop on the Classifieds for some used gear to go with it. :)
 

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Besides, there isn't anything horrible about this kit. It has a PCC and looks to be an L88b (like Blu) or 510 model clone basedkit.

There is nothing horrible about it at all, but it doesn't have a PCC. It has a case, there is no battery in it.

Basically, she just needs a model identification so she can figure out what cartos she can buy for it when she needs them.

510 atomizers work JUST FINE, as would l88B (blu).

If she needs an extra battery or some good cartos along the way

Cartos no problem. Battery, a bit of a problem. Like I said, the center post on the charger is too short, so standard 510 batteries won't make contact. She can either order up another one of these little kits from China for dirt cheap, or get a more standard 510 charger. I would say a little extender, but I can't promise that would work.
 
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