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First build on new mech

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by Trashman0521, Mar 26, 2020.

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  1. Trashman0521

    Trashman0521 Full Member

    Mar 17, 2020
    So I've managed to get my first build on my Kennedy vindicator 28mm and I feel like it just doesn't hit as hard as my pharaoh on an ijoy baby avenger. I'm assuming it's my coils got a bend in the legs when installing and it's messing with how fast it ramps up I guess. It is definitely a nice cool hit just was expecting to get punched in the lungs by it maybe when I'm more experienced with building I'll get it just right. Switched to mechs not for a harder hit necessarily but to not have to worry about a regulated mods crapping out due to random issues.
     
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  2. Mordacai

    Mordacai Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 16, 2019
    UK
    Hello @Trashman0521, could you please give us more information?

    Also what wire do you have at your disposal?

    And may we also ask if you have an ohm meter/resistance tester?
     
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  3. Trashman0521

    Trashman0521 Full Member

    Mar 17, 2020
    On the regulated mod it read at .15-.2 it changes as it's fired on the regulated. I'm running dual coil Quad core fused Clapton 316L SS (28gx4/36g) 7 wraps with 3.5mm ID probably a little smaller on the end because of the bend. They were premades not anything I actually made myself.
     
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  4. gsmit1

    gsmit1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 19, 2018
    That's too much wire mass for a single battery mech and SS rises in resistance as it heats up, thus lowering the wattage.

    Also what battery? Exactly. Make and model and where did you buy it?
     
  5. gsmit1

    gsmit1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 19, 2018
    Believe me, you can get a hot cloudy vape with a single 21700 tube setup right. You'll get there :)
     
  6. Trashman0521

    Trashman0521 Full Member

    Mar 17, 2020
    I grabbed some Samsung 30T 21700 batteries @gsmit1 from imrbatteries. Checked something mooch put out to verify if they were genuine and I think they are the only difference is the code on them assuming Samsung changed it because of the fakes.
     
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  7. gsmit1

    gsmit1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 19, 2018
    If you go HERE (Nichrome 80) and order the 26ga cores/36ga wrap in 2.5mm and 6 wraps, you will see a HUMONGOUS difference. In fact, that is going to rock and roll, but will be safe with 30Ts from IMR.
     
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  8. gsmit1

    gsmit1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 19, 2018
    I have a Vindicator 21 btw.

    Oh yeah, what RDA?
     
  9. Trashman0521

    Trashman0521 Full Member

    Mar 17, 2020
    With nicrhome is there anything to worry about? I think when I was first getting in to vaping I read about titanium oxide or something building up on the coil and being dangerous. I take it nicrhome is safe to vape on?
    Edit: @gsmit1 got the whole vindicator 28mm kit so I also got the Kennedy 28mm rda
     
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  10. gsmit1

    gsmit1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 19, 2018
    Titanium dioxide only happens with titanium wire and only at temperatures far above anything we will ever reach by vaping with it. You wouldn't want to use it in a mech though.

    The only possible concern with Nichrome, and I always forget this, is that it has nickel in it and if somebody is allergic to nickel, it can cause them problems.

    Oh boy. A 28mm RDA with a single battery mech. I would still try the coils I linked, but make sure they are out over the airflow holes.I personally like slightly spaced coils myself.
     
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  11. Mordacai

    Mordacai Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 16, 2019
    UK
    Definitely have to agree with others on this and say too much mass, you'll need to put them on a diet and loose some mass from them.

    That can be done by reducing the ID and or removing a wrap, or as many as required.

    So it's a bit hit and miss until you get things to your liking.

    And there's no issues with Ni80, in fact it's one of the best metals for voltage/wattage users. But as some have forgot, different metals can produce a different taste. So it's best to get a small quantity to try first, I myself hate the taste of Kanthal (just tastes off to me).
     
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  12. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    The right coils make all th he difference in the world when it comes to mech mods. Pretty much all I use anymore are single battery mech mods. Either tube mechs or squonk mods. I also love my stacked/series mech mods but that's a different story. I use dual coil RDAs because I like clouds with lots of flavor. I've spent alot of time and money developing a coil for my style of vaping. I use Killer coils in everything. They are unique to anything on the market and they work. If you live in the US 6 coils with priority shipping is $25. They are ni80 core SS316L wrap 3mm I'd .17ohm per pair coils. They ramp up and cool down fast. There are a few people on here that have tried them. The bottom line really is if you have the right coils in a mech it's heaven. If not it's just meh and can be frustrating.
     
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  13. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

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    May 22, 2010
    Central GA
    I agree completely. With a mech you only have current battery voltage to work with. There's no turning the vape up and down like you can do with an electronic mod, so you have to choose a coil resistance that will produce a quality vape throughout the cell's downward voltage spiral over time.
     
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  14. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    Using a mech mod is like walking a tightrope. Once you achieve that perfect balance it's easy peasy BUT one slip either way is disastrous. It's not just resistance of the coils but mass plays it's role. Too little mass and vapor production suffers. Too much mass and performance suffers. I do envy tootle puffers at times.
     
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  15. gsmit1

    gsmit1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 19, 2018
    I can personally vouch for Don's excellent coils :) I should have thought to suggest them.
    There is absolutely no doubt about this. My first fully unregulated device was a Dotsquonk. It took me a little while to learn how to build for it. At first I had the same issue as this fella. In my case I was erring way on the side of caution and the vape was pathetic. Pegleg Meg back in those days (now Zephyr) over at that unmentionable place, sent me some of her coils for single battery mechs and I saw the light. Brought that thing to life.

    As with most things, getting started is the hardest part. Once you get a grip on how things work, it's not hard. The electronics I mean. Hands on building might be another issue. Not everybody is cut out to make claptons, aliens etc.
     
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  16. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

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    May 22, 2010
    Central GA
    I own a couple of mechs, but on a daily basis I vape VW and TC mods for the self adjusting nature of electronic monitoring. Things change, but regulation keeps it on target throughout the cell's voltage curve.

    I used to buy vehicles with 4 speed transmissions. It's fun, but requires a lot of driver involvement! :)
     
  17. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    I still buy vehicles with manual transmissions. I had a helluva time finding a Jeep with a 5 speed. I finally did. I like the fact it has power NOTHING but it does have air conditioning.
     
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  18. gsmit1

    gsmit1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 19, 2018
    Here are a couple shots of @Don29palms beeyooteeful coils :) Series coils on the bottom and that is them in the Unicorn RDA. To the OP, those big juicy coils are for series setups. 2 high amp batteries in series. They would be terrible on a single battery mod, but are awesome in series. You might not want to worry about what all that means right now.
    doncoils_cr.jpg 20200320_235113_cr.jpg
     
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  19. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    YEESSS! Thank you for posting picts @gsmit1
     
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  20. gsmit1

    gsmit1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 19, 2018
    I meant to before this, but so much going on. Thanks again :)
     
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