Food for thought on the cost of smoking.

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VeeDubb65

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mods, please feel free to move this if it should be somewhere else....


I just posted this on another ecig forum in response to the comment that analogs are up to about $100/carton in New York. I thought it might provide some motivation to those who are making the switch.

I based the following on a few assumptions.

1. The average mortgage in the US is around $200,000.
2. While it's optimistic, you 'can' get 10-12% return on good growth stock mutual funds.
3. The $100/carton figure for New York is accurate.
4. The savings and mortgage calculators at bankrate are reasonably accurate. (Really, how far off could they be? The formulas are simple, but I was too lazy to do it long-hand)

That average smoker going through, lets say, 4 cartons a month, will spend $400/month in NY.

Let's say that instead of just buying what you need, you spend $100/month on ecigs. That's pretty much what I've done, and in 6 or 7 months I've tried more than a dozen liquids and owned 5 different PVs.

That leaves $300/month, not to mention almost certainly a higher level of health and a longer life expectancy, but we'll ignore all that for now.

Now, put $200 of that towards something else. Maybe you use it to take a $2400 vacation every year (last summer I spent 2 weeks in South Korea for less). Maybe you pay your house off 9 years early. ($200k mortgage at 5% + $200 extra would shave 8y&8m off)

Up to you. Either way, $200/month is life changing if you pay any attention to your finances at all.

You've still got $100/month.

Are you ready for your mind to be blown?











If you stick to good, growth stock mutual funds with long term track records, you can reasonably expect a long term return of 10-12% per year.

Do you know what you'll have if you invest $100/month at 12% from age 25 to age 65?















Approximately 1.4 million dollars.

You could retire a millionaire by doing nothing more than investing 1/4 of what the average New York smoker spends on cigarettes.

Now let's say you put that first $200 towards the mortgage as I suggested and pay your 30 year mortgage off in 21 years. Then for the next 19 years you invest your $100/month + the $200 extra you were putting into the mortgage, plus the $1,073.64 that was going into the average $200k mortgage to begin with.

Do you know how much you'll have at retirement?


$2,680,967.26 and a paid for house.

How's that for a reason to be glad you vape?
 

VeeDubb65

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good info,
wish e-cigs were around when I was 25...;)
can we recalculate for 40 years old?

Saving from 40 to 65, every $100/month you consistently invest in growth stock mutual funs nets you $214,565.87

It should go without saying that it only works if you put that much in every month.

Every month you skip takes a lot more out of the final balance than $100.
 

Sorrid

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Of course, you could just spend an extra $300/month on booze and women, retire broke like everybody else, but have WAY more fun along the way.

;)

Hear hear!!! Three cheers for living for the moment!!


I just end up buying more vaping goodies to play with instead of killing myself with cigarettes.
 

andygee

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I've done the same calculation for the switch from cars / taxis to primarily bicycle. The current cigarette numbers are similar. One caveat: the jump to $12/pack here in NYC is recent; we don't really HAVE the money to spend on those smokes, we have to get it from somewhere. Another caveat: don't try chasing growth funds at 10% and expect it to last; that's what Madoff was promising. A basket of utility stocks at 6 - 7% dividend may be better. Anyway -- the answer for switching from a mug's game (super-taxed cigarettes, speculated-through-the-roof gasoline, etc) to freedom (e-cigs, bicycles, etc) is a nice vacation rental condo. Come and visit some time if I don't have it rented out. I plan on getting another one with the money I'm saving with e-cigs.
 

hiram13pm

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My savings are going into food, bullets, gold, and silver. Oh, and my vaping stockpile, specifically empty cartos. When the collapse of our currency happens (at this point a 'when', not an 'if'), and the Chinese won't take our money... how are we going to pay for attys/cartos which are all made in China? Everything else can be made or obtained here in the US, but the actual heating element? Heh... my eyes aren't good enough to make those from scratch. $200 at Eastmall, however, will set me up with about 4 years worth of LR cartos.
 

VeeDubb65

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Another caveat: don't try chasing growth funds at 10% and expect it to last; that's what Madoff was promising. A basket of utility stocks at 6 - 7% dividend may be better.


Ultimately, it doesn't matter.

The real point here is that whether you invest it carefully or simply use it for a lifestyle that's richer in beer and women, the money you save is enough to be life changing if used deliberately. The difference between retiring with a paid for house and a million bucks or retiring with a paid for house and 2.4 million is inconsequential when the third option is retiring broke, in a trailer park, with lung cancer. :p
 

andygee

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amen to that. and to hiram: are you still buying gold at 1400? we bought at 300, 600, and 800 and silver at 12. I'm thinking of cashing out at 14 and waiting for a dip to buy it back again; the little woman wants me to keep buying. If your stocking up for good barter, let me recommend solar panels, inverters, bike generators, hand crank radios, electric bikes. And cartons of tobacco cigarettes if you really want to have something to barter!
 
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