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[imeothanasis]

We are in the start of a war here with China as I see it. They are already in the game of big mods. They sell cheap as always and they soon will bring down the western e-cig market (and the rest of all markets in the world).

Tog asked in another forum why we say to a newbie to start with a 510, or a DSE 901 or something similar to e-cigs. He is absolutely right. I dont get it. Its because we care about a newbie and we suggest him something that looks like real cig to start? If we really care about him we will suggest him a mod. Not a Chinese one, but a western mod. We are here to protect all newbies and ourselves too. Are we all resellers of China products at the end?

I will post this on general forum too.

 

[MHR7331]

I think it's primarily because they're cheap, and a good introduction to vaping without having to invest a substantial amount of cash upfront. Not everyone who tries e-cigs will like it, and a $30 510 kit wouldn't be a huge loss. Those who do and continue vaping will eventually find better alternatives, like your devices.

 

[yaks1974]

I think the reason most of us suggest a cheaper Chinese E-cig to a newbie is because if they find that E-cigs are not for them, then they have only made a small investment as opposed to a larger investment for a mod.

But you are right, we should be steering them towards a better product to begin with! E-cigs and juices have come a very long way in the last year or so, the flavours and vapour production of the premium products on the market are outstanding.

Imeo, maybe this is what the others mean when they say you should bring back the Grant as an entry level quality product?

 

[T-Hefner]

We are in the start of a war here with China as I see it. They are already in the game of big mods. They sell cheap as always and they soon will bring down the western e-cig market (and the rest of all markets in the world).

Tog asked in another forum why we say to a newbie to start with a 510, or a DSE 901 or something similar to e-cigs. He is absolutely right. I dont get it. Its because we care about a newbie and we suggest him something that looks like real cig to start? If we really care about him we will suggest him a mod. Not a Chinese one, but a western mod. We are here to protect all newbies and ourselves too. Are we all resellers of China products at the end?

I will post this on general forum too.

I hear ya my good friend Imeo......I think like others have said...people coming from smoking analogs have a problem laying out a $100-$200 for a western mod...and most want something that looks like a analog at FIRST.

I do wish I started with a GG first ...it would have saved me some time and money and frustration. But in the end, it gave me some vaping experience and I learned a lot from it.

I do think that some give it a try and start with a crappy china unit and it fails on them and they give up on vaping all together...just because they had a bad experience right from the start...it really is ashame...

-Tim

 

[imeothanasis]

I think it's primarily because they're cheap, and a good introduction to vaping without having to invest a substantial amount of cash upfront. Not everyone who tries e-cigs will like it, and a $30 510 kit wouldn't be a huge loss. Those who do and continue vaping will eventually find better alternatives, like your devices.

But we disapoint them as we got disapointed too MHR. I am sure that if anyone buy a mod he will stuck with e-cigs for sure. It a matter of health so no one wants to stop e-cigs and the price is one more reason for the newbie to try harder to get used to it.

And if he gets disapointed he will never come back to check for mods if he rarely comes on forums because he will find it useless.

 

[Stormynights]

I think the reason most of us suggest a cheaper Chinese E-cig to a newbie is because if they find that E-cigs are not for them, then they have only made a small investment as opposed to a larger investment for a mod.

But you are right, we should be steering them towards a better product to begin with! E-cigs and juices have come a very long way in the last year or so, the flavours and vapour production of the premium products on the market are outstanding.

Imeo, maybe this is what the others mean when they say you should bring back the Grant as an entry level quality product?

My first kit was $150. and it was total crap. It did give me hope so it wasn't a total waste. I never recommend a disposable kit to a newbie.

 

[imeothanasis]

I think the reason most of us suggest a cheaper Chinese E-cig to a newbie is because if they find that E-cigs are not for them, then they have only made a small investment as opposed to a larger investment for a mod.

But you are right, we should be steering them towards a better product to begin with! E-cigs and juices have come a very long way in the last year or so, the flavours and vapour production of the premium products on the market are outstanding.

Imeo, maybe this is what the others mean when they say you should bring back the Grant as an entry level quality product?

I will bring Grant back friend for sure. I will make it slimmer and cheaper so all people can stay on e-cig world and not smoking silly cigs like all of us did in the past.

 

[imeothanasis]

I hear ya my good friend Imeo......I think like others have said...people coming from smoking analogs have a problem laying out a $100-$200 for a western mod...and most want something that looks like a analog at FIRST.

I do wish I started with a GG first ...it would have saved me some time and money and frustration. But in the end, it gave me some vaping experience and I learned a lot from it.

I do think that some give it a try and start with a crappy china unit and it fails on them and they give up on vaping all together...just because they had a bad experience right from the start...it really is ashame...

-Tim

If someone wants to really stop cigs and have something small and thin he can buy the slim. Its affortable and its almost like an cig.

We drive people to spend more money in the way we advise them. As you said, you spend much money because you were newbie , so why we dont protect them?

 

[imeothanasis]

My first kit was $150. and it was total crap. It did give me hope so it wasn't a total waste. I never recommend a disposable kit to a newbie.

You see stormy? You paid and you almost wanted to leave the cigs behind you but you were lucky and you stayed. Do you know how many people are newbies and they quit the vaping because they think that vaping is crap?

 

[Bigbuyer]

I will bring Grant back friend for sure. I will make it slimmer and cheaper so all people can stay on e-cig world and not smoking silly cigs like all of us did in the past.

I think a lower end slim would also be a great seller. One that is all aluminum maybe?

 

[imeothanasis]

I think a lower end slim would also be a great seller. One that is all aluminum maybe?

slim will be cheaper soon friend. But we cant compare the slim with chinese products. With chinese products you pay and pay and pay more and pay again and you dont really vape the most of the time.
So if we think that newbies want something similar to a cigarette and a cheap one, then the slim is for them if we want to attract them in vaping world.
But do you remember guys how much the e-cigs costs at first place? More than slim. But we bought them. So why newbies not to by the slim and stay satisfied?

 

[Stormynights]

I said this not long ago but I wanted something that looked like a cigarette at first. I got a white one with an orange led. Now I see how silly it is to want to look like you are smoking when you aren't. Any GG is a great choice. Mactavish started with the GGT Storm. I am curious now what she would recommend to a newbie. She was brave and just jumped in with both feet. I wonder how many gave up vaping because of a poor quality disposable kit. I think good value is way more important than a cheap price.

 

[imeothanasis]

I said this not long ago but I wanted something that looked like a cigarette at first. I got a white one with an orange led. Now I see how silly it is to want to look like you are smoking when you aren't. Any GG is a great choice. Mactavish started with the GGT Storm. I am curious now what she would recommend to a newbie. She was brave and just jumped in with both feet. I wonder how many gave up vaping because of a poor quality disposable kit. I think good value is way more important than a cheap price.

If you want me to tell you about here in Greece, the 90% of people stopped vaping for this reason. I have not find a vaper in public places yet but I have found more that 10-15 people that told me that they smoked e-cig and they throw it away because they didnt found what they wanted in throat kick.
When people see me with GG they ask me what it is and when I tell them that its an e-cig they tell me the same thing: "e-cigs are rubish, throw it away"

 

[mre5674]

I agree with Imeo and Stormy. I started with NJOY crap. It never worked right, BUT I saw the potential and never picked up an analogue after 2 days of vaping. Upon a work trip to Spain, I spent my jet-lagged nights doing an Internet search on e-cigs., and couldn't believe how much more info./sellers were overseas. That said, I got smart and posed as a potential distributor inquiring with the Chinese. I bought every e-cig on the market for cost, and they were all problematic...UNTILL I saw Iken and his first post upon receiving the GG. It took a while to get one, but HOOHAH...The light at the end of the tunnel! Sticking by Imeo from the beginning has only led to bigger and better things, and the more of us that support the little guys the faster their new ideas become production reality.

I don't believe that cost is an issue for something that works every time all the time. If someone wants to quit smoking analogues for real, they will spend at least $1000.00 on NRT CRAP. Thus said, by a mod. not looking like a reg. cig., it changes something in the brain. I went through this very thing with a woman who loved my GG, but insisted I order her a 510 w/PCC...she still is a smoker : (

On this last order, I bought 2 GGTS's...one for me, and one for a friend. I bought him every option imaginable, so with the unit, batts., chargers, atty(s), juice, the cost was upwards of $600.00 of which would be nil after 2 1/2 mo. of not purchasing analogues. Needless to say, EVEN after telling him what the cost would be...I got stiffed...lesson learned, as next time I'll get the perspective party's credit card. Also, after a year and a half of Vaping, I MUST take the upper hand (especially with being so close to GG having all it's own components). Any newbie friend from now on, will get either a GGTS, or GGSS exclusively running at 7 + v's PERIOD! OR figure it out on your own. It's not my plight in life to convert anyone...I can only lead by example ; )

In closing, price is not an issue considering that analogues are around $7 per pack...it's just broken down as a daily expense.

Once the AFS's are ready for the SS and TS, I see no need to introduce a newbie to 3.7v mods...Why? Everything is better at 7.4 with the right set-up. Less expense TRYING to find the so called "sweet spot" truly means the unit is not dialed in. Again, with the new i7's and a great charger and batts., I see no learning curve as before, which would then be a valued argument.

I'll be getting all the fixings for my TS as soon as they're out, and an SS b/c of it's size to show my fellow smoker friends. Otherwise, the TS with 2 x AW (true 750mAh) RCR123 3.7v batts. is the real winner! Just my 2 cents, so thanks for reading ; )

Much Love - Mr.e

 

[Stormynights]

If you want to tell about here in Greece, the 90% of people stopped vaping for this reason. I have not find a vaper in public places yet but I have found more that 10-15 people that told me that they smoked e-cig and they throw it away because they didnt found what they wanted in throat kick.
When people see me with GG they ask me what it is and when I tell them that its an e-cig they tell me the same thing: "e-cigs are rubish, throw it away"

I bet they don't say that after they see that huge vapor cloud continue to rise. The cheap junk is giving the real PVs a bad rap. I had to have 6V to kick my 40+year habit. I know if I can do it anyone can. I tried hypnosis patches gum pills cold turkey and nothing was working. I spent a lot of money over the years trying to stop smoking. I got a mod and it worked but I kept getting frustrated until I got a GG. No more frustration or cigarettes.

 

[grimmer255]

I dont know when I first started I wanted something that looked like a cigarette. but once I learned about mods I thought jeesh to big not for me..... then when I read about how long batteries lasted... I realized that one of the things I hate most about normal ecigs is charging the damn batteries every hour...

I was thinking about this for a little a while and maybe you can make a GG that has the button in the same place as the 510 and have it painted white or black. But with no wires keep the same as all GG's except the size and feel is more like a cigarette.

Just for this GG it should have the cigarette or cigar feel thats why I say put the button close to the attie. So people can push and hold the button like you would a cigarette when you take a drag.


I know.... why take away the GG look.... I'm saying just for this GG... so people can experience the GG and say damn this is nice...... so everyone might try it. thats all.

 

[harpo]

Sometimes it's availability. In my case when I started most mods had a two week plus wait. If I hadn't ordered the 510 kit at that time I probably would have forgot about ecigs and would be smoking analogs today.

So if mods are in stock on a more consistant basis I believe more people will buy them as their first ecig.

 

[Stormynights]

Sometimes it's availability. In my case when I started most mods had a two week plus wait. If I hadn't ordered the 510 kit at that time I probably would have forgot about ecigs and would be smoking analogs today.

So if mods are in stock on a more consistant basis I believe more people will buy them as their first ecig.

This is true. Hopefully the long wait will soon be a thing of the past.

 

[Stormynights]

I dont know when I first started I wanted something that looked like a cigarette. but once I learned about mods I thought jeesh to big not for me..... then when I read about how long batteries lasted... I realized that one of the things I hate most about normal ecigs is charging the damn batteries every hour...

I was thinking about this for a little a while and maybe you can make a GG that has the button in the same place as the 510 and have it painted white or black. But with no wires keep the same as all GG's except the size and feel is more like a cigarette.

Just for this GG it should have the cigarette or cigar feel thats why I say put the button close to the attie. So people can push and hold the button like you would a cigarette when you take a drag.


I know.... why take away the GG look.... I'm saying just for this GG... so people can experience the GG and say damn this is nice...... so everyone might try it. thats all.

I think when we smoked cigarettes we were so used to doing it that we didn't realize how stupid we looked holding that silly thing. We was afraid a mod would look silly. I have people come up to me all the time and ask me what I am doing. I tell then it is a personal vaporizer that I used to stop smoking. They ask how to get one and I had them one of Rob's cards.

 

[vapn]

Sometimes it's availability. In my case when I started most mods had a two week plus wait. If I hadn't ordered the 510 kit at that time I probably would have forgot about ecigs and would be smoking analogs today.

So if mods are in stock on a more consistant basis I believe more people will buy them as their first ecig.

BINGO!!!!! I was waiting to see the GG in stock for months. I had to get a 510 to start because it was my only choice. I was tired of charging batteries so I started looking at the mods at that point. Now if the Slim were available all the time and it costs less than $60 then yes I would suggest one to a newbe but $150 is way too much for someone's first e-cig. If they don't like vaping or they are allergic to PG then they have just waisted a lot of money.