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Col. Gaunt

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Most newbies are uninformed, and do little to no research into e-cigs before they buy. They probably see advertising or go into a mall and see the cheap Chinese stuff and say "ok, that's an E-cig I will try it" We all know that these e-cigs are total crap not to mention over priced but they do not know any better. So they buy the crap, try it and have a horrible experience and say screw this e-cig stuff. How are they ever going to find out about the GG?

When the more clever ones come on the forum, I think that they still have it in their mindset the an E-cig should look like a analog and they would rather buy a DSE 901 etc then a GG slim, not only because of the look but because of the price. If a newbie could at least be steered into buying something halfway decent in the first place there is a better chance that they will enjoy their first experience a whole lot more and become interested in other E-cigs.

That's when they will be more open to a suggestion of a GG!
 

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I am going to buy a slim when the new AFS are out. Right now I am decently stocked on 901 products, so there is no reason to switch without an AFS - I hate cartridges.... Anyway, if people knew something was made in a location other than the 3rd world, lots of them would be willing to pony up the extra cash.

BUT, I am one of those weirdos that tries to buy domestic products, so you can't fully trust my opinion. I tried for a great deal of time not to buy clothing made outside of the US - you should see my lack of a wardrobe. Eventually, after much ribbing from my friends who would inform me it is stupid to not buy something I like because it is made by slaves and my having grown tired of all my clothing having holes I am slowly starting to buy stuff.
 

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I bet they don't say that after they see that huge vapor cloud continue to rise. The cheap junk is giving the real PVs a bad rap. I had to have 6V to kick my 40+year habit. I know if I can do it anyone can. I tried hypnosis patches gum pills cold turkey and nothing was working. I spent a lot of money over the years trying to stop smoking. I got a mod and it worked but I kept getting frustrated until I got a GG. No more frustration or cigarettes. :hubba::hubba::hubba:

They see smoke stormy but they think that it will break soon, they think that it has no throat kick. All those things that disapopinted them. I dont see a way to convince someone to try again an e-cig.
My strong opinion is to stop sending people to buy chinese things. I will try to make cheaper slims in full availability so newbies will have all benefits:)
 

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They see smoke stormy but they think that it will break soon, they think that it has no throat kick. All those things that disapopinted them. I dont see a way to convince someone to try again an e-cig.
My strong opinion is to stop sending people to buy chinese things. I will try to make cheaper slims in full availability so newbies will have all benefits:)

I think that's a great idea but you must ensure plenty of stock. This way when a noob goes to Rob or Lisa's site there in stock.
 

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Most newbies are uninformed, and do little to no research into e-cigs before they buy. They probably see advertising or go into a mall and see the cheap Chinese stuff and say "ok, that's an E-cig I will try it" We all know that these e-cigs are total crap not to mention over priced but they do not know any better. So they buy the crap, try it and have a horrible experience and say screw this e-cig stuff. How are they ever going to find out about the GG?

thats true Gary and we cant do anything about it:(. But at least here on forums we have to stop doing this silly thing to newbies
 

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I am going to buy a slim when the new AFS are out. Right now I am decently stocked on 901 products, so there is no reason to switch without an AFS - I hate cartridges.... Anyway, if people knew something was made in a location other than the 3rd world, lots of them would be willing to pony up the extra cash.

BUT, I am one of those weirdos that tries to buy domestic products, so you can't fully trust my opinion. I tried for a great deal of time not to buy clothing made outside of the US - you should see my lack of a wardrobe. Eventually, after much ribbing from my friends who would inform me it is stupid to not buy something I like because it is made by slaves and my having grown tired of all my clothing having holes I am slowly starting to buy stuff.

To my opinion , just try the best one, its the only solution if it is cheap enough.:)
 

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When I first started, I did a fair bit of research, but, I had very little faith that it would work for me.

So, like many others, I started with a 901, then upgraded to a 510 fairly soon after that, and the rest is history.

And the reasons as others have pointed out, was price.

However, I still advise people to do the same, because of the learning curve, and the simplicity of the starter kits.

Starting with the learning curve. You need to fully understand that batteries are a pain, and atomisers dont last forever. With a 901, you cant put the battery in upside down, too much juice will result in nothing more serious than an ecig not working.

Once you have learned the safety aspects, and have respect for your ecig, then its time to move up the ladder to the Mods.

To me, starting with a GG or a Super T etc., is like giving a new driver, who has just passed his test a formula one car to drive.
 

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To my opinion , just try the best one, its the only solution if it is cheap enough.:)

See the problem lies within the person's motivation to quit(how much they want to quit)....i have found that people who dont want to quit are more likely to buy a 30 dollar peice o crap...while people who want to quit and are motivated to do so, will easily drop 2-400 dollars for it...so yes i do think the cheaper slim is a good idea...but i don't think you will need this endless supply, because there will still be the people willing to dish out the cash for a GGTS from the start...just my 2 cents though ;)
 

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I think that no matter what, nobody can compete with the Chinese on the price.

The only things left to do are the following:

1-Design: Extremely appealing and elaborated design. New designs periodically.
2-Build quality: Perfect engineering, best material, perfect assembly and quality control.
3-Branding,advertising and marketing: The name should reflect the superior built quality and the superior quality of service and should by itself be a choice of confidence for the buyer, and benefits needs to be offered to the customer.
4-Packaging: Good packaging can reflect the quality and appeal to the buyer.
5-exclusivity: this is related to superior products like the GGs. When I proposed to put serial numbers on them, i did it having in mind that the GG must reflect its exclusive nature and uniqueness. Other things are still needed like a certificate of authenticity and a special ownership card (or something), all signed by the maker himself. Those little things, the Chinese can never do, but they make the device worthy and sometimes collectible.
 

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We already know the benefits of vaping.
We already know we love it and will never go back to smoking.

Someone brand-new to vaping has no idea whether they will like it and whether they want to fully invest in it.

There is NO way on earth that I would have started vaping with a big battery mod.

I wanted something that looked as much like a cig as possible. I even insisted on an automatic draw because I wanted it to feel similar to an analog too. I started on a 901, as Cat did, and again like Cat, I graduated to a 510 because it was time for me to try a manual device. It was mainly the crappy battery life that got me looking at mods.

Then you've got pricing. If you're able to make the slim cheaper, great, but even then, people want to make a very small investment when they are trying something new, you can't make the slim that cheap, and nor should you. It's a premium product as are all the GGs.

When anyone asks my advice, I still recommend starting with a cheap kit to double check that you will like the experience. Then upgrade to a mod once you know you will enjoy vaping and if you experience the common drawbacks/limitations of the standard chinese e-cig. If they know this information at the start, they are less likely to leave vaping altogether.

P.S. Dunno where you got your ideas on pricing, Imeo - my 901 starter kits are only £24.75 - I think that's the cost of about 4 packets of cigs in the UK now.
 
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I don't think we are going to get a comment on this topic Harpo.... ahha...

I know. The sad thing is it's true. Once a supplier is out of stock with most mods it takes two to four weeks and sometimes longer to restock. I still believe if mods were in stock all the time people would purchase them as a first device.
 

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I know. When I first started vaping I really wanted a mod but they were all out of stock. From the SD to the GG, they were all out of stock and continue to be. The thing is this is a small business industry and these folks are putting up a lot of their personal money to get them made and they all do the best they can to make as many as they can but the demand is there long before the product is so when they do hit the shelves they all sell out really fast. If you are not watching the boards every day you will miss out. I know imeo is making a larger batch this time so maybe we will see them in stock more this run.

So yes I agree with you that if they were in stock more often many more first timers would be buying into them. I know I have a friend at work that got a DSE 905 to start off with but that was only because he was looking at my GG... well his next purchase was the Grant but that again was only because I told him they are in stock you better get one now if you want it. Especially with this being an internet only kind of business also there is a large number of people watching and waiting for the good mods to hit the shelves. When you want to quit smoking and start vaping you want to do it NOW not in 15 days.... or two weeks.... NOW... and you cant do that if the darn things are always out of stock. So yes that is where the Chinese have us beat ... they make very large quantities and they have them in stock all the time. We still depend on them anyway for our atomizers. When will we see a good production modified atomizer? Now that will be the day when the whole market changes.......

What do you think?
 

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We already know the benefits of vaping.
We already know we love it and will never go back to smoking.

Someone brand-new to vaping has no idea whether they will like it and whether they want to fully invest in it.

There is NO way on earth that I would have started vaping with a big battery mod.

I wanted something that looked as much like a cig as possible. I even insisted on an automatic draw because I wanted it to feel similar to an analog too. I started on a 901, as Cat did, and again like Cat, I graduated to a 510 because it was time for me to try a manual device. It was mainly the crappy battery life that got me looking at mods.

Then you've got pricing. If you're able to make the slim cheaper, great, but even then, people want to make a very small investment when they are trying something new, you can't make the slim that cheap, and nor should you. It's a premium product as are all the GGs.

When anyone asks my advice, I still recommend starting with a cheap kit to double check that you will like the experience. Then upgrade to a mod once you know you will enjoy vaping and if you experience the common drawbacks/limitations of the standard chinese e-cig. If they know this information at the start, they are less likely to leave vaping altogether.

P.S. Dunno where you got your ideas on pricing, Imeo - my 901 starter kits are only £24.75 - I think that's the cost of about 4 packets of cigs in the UK now.

I side with Lisa on this, and here is why. Some of you may remember my introduction to this forum. I wanted to start with a GGTS, as I did a lot of research on mods and this seemed like the best choice for the money. Many members here tried to steer me toward a starter kit. For many, I still believe this is the best choice, though not for some.

I probably would have learned more to start with, but I consider myself fairly smart when it comes to electronic products so I knew I could learn as I went along. For many people, the learning curve of a "mod" is steep at first. They have to learn about batteries, chargers, safety, vaping at different voltages, atty choices, etc. And there are so many other choices and decisions to make. Cheap e-cigs will always have their place. The good news is that many websites and TV offers are money rip offs, and they defeat themselves, as newbies sometimes will spend 2-3 times more then they have to, and that is their own fault as many are lazy shoppers. As has been stated before some will be very disappointed with the results they get. Some will give up vaping, and some will wonder why the product is not fulfilling their needs and research better products and "mods". REMEMBER, until the mod makers can afford a TV commercial, finding and learning about them is up to the buyer to find.

Unlike most of my friends, I LIKE to do online research, so I found my way, but most will NOT. I look for the ultimate, many just don't have the time or interest or know how. For example, Imeo's own website is not finished, and therefore google cannot find it. A well setup website describing the advantages of a "mod" would be a cheap way to advertise. I've seen the other mod websites and they miss the point as well.

Imeo, PM me if you want to go further with your site, if you do not have some help already. If you do have help, then they have not been very busy, and you should not be doing it yourself. So knowledge is key, as well as ACCESS to the info.

The problem still exists, as e-cigs have been around for about 3 years now, and I only stumbled across them, the info and knowledge is still very skimpy out there, and mod makers need to learn how to separate themselves from the cheap starter stuff, and show the advantages to their products and make this info easy to find. I know most, if not all so far, do not have the budgets to buy TV advertising time. Advancing a product is ALL about ADVERTISING. That is how analog cigerettes have become a BILLION dollar industry, remember "Marlboro Man"?

I think the first thing to do, is recognize that in todays culture, most people will first buy by PRICE. Not everyone, but knowing that, is how you move forward in ones advice on these products. Some may not like e-cigs or vaping, so a low cost starter kit is the only way these folks are going to shop, regardless of ANYTHING ELSE. They may quit or move up, that is just a reality, but I think "baby steps" are still a viable first step for many that are afraid of new technology. I see this everyday when someone sees me vaping. I have to go through the entire "beginner" conversation, and even my so called "smart" friends often think of it as a joke, being small minded. Others have heard of it, and have a more open mind. If someone is happy smoking analog cigs, then I don't waste anymore time, but often these doubtful cig users are still VERY interested, as most people would really like to quit, health and cost being the two biggest reasons.

So here is what I am doing myself and for those that show interest. I recommend one of the PCC cases, that come with two batteries and the charging case for $50.00. I tell them to buy some pre-filled cartos, and some empty cartos, and some juice to start, as well as an A/C to USB wall unit, and a USB to battery charger. So for a real cheap starter kit at about $70.00, a newbie can start vaping, and not run out of battery power all day. This is IMPORTANT, to keep newbies away from going back to analog cigs. Using cartomizers, makes it easy for newbies to get started and not worry about attys and filling carts etc. If they like this, then they have already seen my GGTS, and I can give them my own advice on how to move up.

I have the same setup myself. Right now, I use my GGTS at home. I have tried it at work, I just have to bring extra batteries, but it is not as easy or tiny/small a profile as the carto rig I mentioned above. I don't own a "GG Slim", after buying the GGTS, I don't have the money to buy a smaller model. So as of now, I'm using my GGTS at home and my cartomizer PCC rig while at work, and for going out to bars and restaurants etc. At this point I use both products for two different situations. Having an entry level GG is still a good idea, but the product line has to define itself, just like Sony does. If you want to start with the basics, you can jump in at a certain price point, and if you want to move up, they you pay more, for features that are well advertised. Just my opinions, nothing more.
 

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Lisa, if you read again my post you will see that I said that the first months or the first year that e-cigs came to market they had a price of 100 dollars or more Lisa.:)


Vapn, my answer to the GG availability is this: I am trying to not stay out of stock and everytime I make bigger batches but demand is bigger everytime, so I am out of stock again. As for the really modified atomizers you said, I already done it Vapn and my next batch will be even better. I have make already big steps on atomizers and I am still doing, dont worry about that:):)
 

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Macta my friend, thanks a lot for your offer. I have big help until now but I will have you in mind if I stuck . Thanks again.

My simple opinion is this guys. People can buy a cheap GGSlim. I will paint it white and I will put a brown mouthpiece on it. It will not have to have the best quality but it will still be an immortal GG.

I have a solution for everything as you see guys because always there is a solution for everything
 

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Imeo,

I really hate the fact that you will drop your pants on price when you are known for the Maserati, Ferrari, Rolls Royce of personal Vapers. Your quality should not be compromised one bit and I believe you should stay at this end of the market for the experianced vapers, let all the beginers buy that cheap .... until they can afford a GG PV and keep making the high end stuff with quality, the Chinese are the Chinese and always will be, and thats how thry do business that doesnt mean everyone else does business that way, nothing against them at all but my personal opinion is you dont have to join them. You are a leader, inventor, and mad greek superman, I like you like this and want to see you keep on top with new and exciting products with the upmost highest of quality and not put out anything anything anything of low quality EVER..!!!!

MWA10464
 

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OK Imeo its your toy store and I respect you doings, however ferrari doesnt make and sell a ford or chevy and thats why they stay in builing the best of the best and get there price..!!! but either way im staying in the GG family I will just buy the best of the best instead of them all
 
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