Frist Day Vaping

[Ricky Vapes]

A reasonable view.

As I already stated, in some cases telling someone who enjoys the act of smoking, not to vape, not even with no nicotine, could actually backfire and lead them to continue smoking, which definitely would be no good.

It is much better to be an occasional or "light" vaper, especially with 0 nic, than to be a "light" smoker, especially since most smokers go from being light, to smoking more and more because of more nicotine need.

vaping is obviously a great tool for smoking cessation, allowing smokers to get their nicotine in a significantly less harmful way (95% less harmful from what I hear), to lower their intake over time, and eventually get off of it all together.

However, I think that if vaping can also prevent people from smoking real tobacco cigarettes, that's good too, and also harm reduction.

Because let's be 100% honest here, everyone (at least in the first world) knows just how extremely bad and addictive smoking is, yet new people still keep taking up smoking everyday. I was 20 when I bought my first pack, and I was well aware of all this, but wanted to do so anyways, and so I did, I knew exactly what I was asking for.

That's just the reality of the situation, there are people who are going to smoke, knowing full well about all the negatives.

I guess it can be compared to safe sex. Yes, abstinence is the best way to never get an STI, or an unwanted pregnancy, but that's not realistic, people in general love sex, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that, and people obviously do it a lot. So realistically the best thing is to teach people to use contraception, and to not just have sex with any random person, especially if they don't know if they may have an STI or not, etc.

Sometimes practical solutions work much better, than virtue signaling, or Nancy Reagan-esque "just say no" garbage.

So while smoking cessation is the main benefit of vaping, for others, it can be smoking prevention, which is also beneficial.

In my province 0mg juice has officially been banned for sale.

My government seems to think people vaping 0mg juice is a big problem because it leads a lot of people (younger kids especially) to go on to vaping nicotine juice. I know I’ve seen it with some younger people at my work wanting to fit in so they vape 0mg juice to hang with the other vapers but then they eventually start buying 3mg juice sometimes if their flavour is sold out of 0mg or whatever the reason is. Then they end up addicted to nicotine having never smoked.

Still I think banning anything to try to stop people from doing it is not a very good way of going about it.

When there is a will there is a way

 

[Twiggy1995]

@Ricky Vapes

Man, that must suck balls, so you are left then having to buy 0mg nic, from other provinces, or do you use nicotine so it doesn't affect you?

I'm just thankful that at least for now, there are no flavor bans here in Ontario, and no 0mg nic ban either.

There's always herbal smoking blends I could fall back on, and just pack them into cigarette tubes, but vaping is cooler, and probably even less harmful than those.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

My government seems to think people vaping 0mg juice is a big problem because it leads a lot of people (younger kids especially) to go on to vaping nicotine juice. I know I’ve seen it with some younger people at my work wanting to fit in so they vape 0mg juice to hang with the other vapers but then they eventually start buying 3mg juice sometimes if their flavour is sold out of 0mg or whatever the reason is. Then they end up addicted to nicotine having never smoked.

Most of those kids already figured out how easy it is to buy VG, PG and flavorings and make 0mg juice.

The only thing your government did was to save the kids' boatloads of money.

 

[Ricky Vapes]

Most of those kids already figured out how easy it is to buy VG, PG and flavorings and make 0mg juice.

The only thing your government did was to save the kids' boatloads of money.

Mabye the kids in your area are smarter ha Trust me I’m a foreman in a lumber yard and These days you can’t find good help with high school kids. They can’t even figure out how to sweep. I figure they have all been spoiled too much and it probably stems from the fact that parents aren’t allowed to properly discipline Kids anymore.

 

[Ricky Vapes]

@Ricky Vapes

Man, that must suck balls, so you are left then having to buy 0mg nic, from other provinces, or do you use nicotine so it doesn't affect you?

I'm just thankful that at least for now, there are no flavor bans here in Ontario, and no 0mg nic ban either.

There's always herbal smoking blends I could fall back on, and just pack them into cigarette tubes, but vaping is cooler, and probably even less harmful than those.

I use nicotine so it doesn’t affect me. But yes you could buy it from other provinces. That is probably what will happen if people want to vape 0mg. Then as junkle said it’s not too hard to mix your own juice. But I’m sure most will buy from other provinces before doing that.

 

[Twiggy1995]

I think I am going to try making my own juice. I saw a tutorial video, and it seems like something which would be both a lot less expensive, and simple enough to learn.

Just some basic math it seems, as far as figuring out how many ml or drops is what %.

Best of all, if I make my own I can be 1000% sure of what is in it, because I did hear that vitamin e acetate, and a couple other chemicals used by black market juice makers, especially black market THC was causing some problems.

That said, I don't think above board, reputable producers are the problem.

As far as teenagers and kids are concerned, I am 25 now, and when I was a minor, I always wanted to be an adult, so people will stop trying to control me, but now that I am an adult, the government is trying to control me. You can never seemingly escape people trying to control you. It sucks. If you played Red Dead Redemption 2, you will understand what I mean when I say I emphasize with the original mission of Dutch and the Vanderlinde gang.

But, I also hate kids, mainly because many adult things are often ruined because of kids, if you really think about it.



To be frank, children should not tread on the toes of adults.

 

[englishmick]

true, I did hear that nicotine itself is not that highly addictive, but rather combined with other things in tobacco is what makes it that addictive.

none the less, 0 nic is always best of course.

The addictiveness of nicotine has been discussed at length around here. I'll just say this, I never heard of anyone getting hooked on nic gum or patches or lozenges.

As for 0 nic being best, that's an opinion. I don't consider it best for me. There's fairly substantial evidence that it puts the brakes on Alzheimer's. I'm 70 and have Alz in my family tree. I'm guessing you're a lot younger, that's probably not so high on your worry list.

 

[Twiggy1995]

The addictiveness of nicotine has been discussed at length around here. I'll just say this, I never heard of anyone getting hooked on nic gum or patches or lozenges.

As for 0 nic being best, that's an opinion. I don't consider it best for me. There's fairly substantial evidence that it puts the brakes on Alzheimer's. I'm 70 and have Alz in my family tree. I'm guessing you're a lot younger, that's probably not so high on your worry list.

Yes, I am 25, so preventing addiction is way more important to me than preventing Alz.

I guess it depends on what your need and your reasoning is, my need is a non-addictive alternative to smoking, therefore for me 0 nic is the best. However others with different needs and different reasoning, will differ.

 

[vaper1960]

I smoke weed too occasionally, I would vape weed, but distillate is very expensive, and flower is too weak for me in a herbal vape format, I need to either smoke a lot, or use some really strong and expensive stuff lol. However the main difference for me is that weed is one of, if not the least addictive substances out there, even alcohol is more addictive, and I've been drinking alcohol responsibly in moderation for years, without issue.

No worries (I'm in CA US and it's legal here too, but keep in mind we have a specific forum for that
Cannabis Vaping | E-Cigarette Forum
Reading the rest of the thread now.

 

[vaper1960]

At least now we know what one of my pet peeves are, telling people, especially adults, the obvious.

Relax... you among friends (I also tend to get defensive... just ignore such things and move on)

 

[vaper1960]

Wish I had found this thread sooner... anyway, how about we all start over (more or less) and let the OP feel welcome. It has kinda sidetracked into a topic that really has nothing to do with what this new memeber is trying to do. I have no issue at all if someone wants to vape even if they don't smoke (I know many here feel that is the only valid reason to vape... get off the combustible tobacco but it is a very enjoyable "hobby" and any and all should be welcome to enjoy it... nuff said) Once you get settled in here (like I said, relax... lot's of good people here) I would love to talk DIY.

 

[vaper1960]

I've only been vaping a couple years... I did a search for e-cig forums and found a list of the most popular ones. This was described as one of the most active (popular) but a bit strict on rules. I checked out a few others and realized this is the best (IMHO) Yes, originally, I think it was focused on quitting tobacco (which is what I was trying to do) Then, we started getting some young people (legal age or not) posting that they never smoked but wanted a nic "buzz"... high nic levels... we didn't need that. Then this whole media thing with the vaping lung crap came along (we are still trying to convince people that had nothing to do with regular e-liquids) when everyone now knows it was "black market" THC carts. That also didn't help. Many of us have been through this whole anti-vaping propoganda thing. Trust me when I say nobody here want's to give you are hard time, but we have just been through so much BS (and yes, the "rubber teeth guy"... don't ask) And now the virus... everyone is stressed out. I am here to tell you, be patient (don't be defensive like me... I was drunk and someone hit a nerve and I almost was banned from the forums by the mods/admin... and deserved to be) Anyway, please feel welcome and I think you will find this a friendly and helpful community

 

[Katya]

but why would you state that fact as a reply in this thread, though?

I clearly said I enjoy smoking, and now vaping, and I said it's significantly less harmful, not completely harmless, there is a difference.

I just find it very annoying when people constantly tell others things, especially adults, that they obviously already know, like "ok, thanks Capitan obvious".

At least now we know what one of my pet peeves are, telling people, especially adults, the obvious.

Twiggy, nobody is trying to tell you what you should do or what is best for you. People are just sharing their own experience and knowledge. Take it all for what it is--exchange of ideas. If you like 0 nic, by all means, enjoy your 0 nic.

Happy vaping!

 

[vaper1960]

Did I over-explain that? I was just surprised that a new member (who seems like a nice person just asking some questions about vaping) was attacked... that's not the ECF I remember. He is vaping 0 nic BTW.

 

[Katya]

Did I over-explain that? I was just surprised that a new member (who seems like a nice person just asking some questions about vaping) was attacked... that's not the ECF I remember. He is vaping 0 nic BTW.

I don't want to escalate this, but if you read the first page, the OP was greeted and his questions were politely answered. It was the OP who attacked the poster who suggested that the best thing to inhale is oxygen (by accusing him of preaching and such). Whether you agree with that poster's opinion or not is another matter. It's his opinion and he has the right to express it. So there.

 

[DaveOno]

I think I am going to try making my own juice. I saw a tutorial video, and it seems like something which would be both a lot less expensive, and simple enough to learn.

Just some basic math it seems, as far as figuring out how many ml or drops is what %.

Do it!
If I could suggest, measure by weight. A nice little digital scale can easily be had for US$15 that measures to 0.01g. And excellent online calculators with loads of recipes are out there. Just search "e-liquid-recipes". A few blunt tip syringes, some wide neck bottles, and you should amaze yourself with your creations. And 0 nic will take most of the precautions out of your way. (I/we must be careful with the nic.)

And be open to trying flavors outside your first likes. I never thought I would so totally fall in love with White Tic Tac. (peppermint, vanilla, anice)

Enjoy!

 

[Twiggy1995]

White Tic Tac does sound pretty good.

 

[uthinkofsomething]

I think I am going to try making my own juice. I saw a tutorial video, and it seems like something which would be both a lot less expensive, and simple enough to learn.

Just some basic math it seems, as far as figuring out how many ml or drops is what %.

It is easy to learn. And you have an advantage not using nic, lower cost and added simplicity. Nicotine is the most important thing to measure carefully, the rest can be a little off and you may not be able to tell.
Watch videos on youtube or elsewhere, look up recipes online, start with a few recipes that are not really complicated but flavors that you have vaped and enjoyed before. Maybe start with very small batches (10ml or 30ml) and keep your store bought e-liquid around to make sure you don't run out or in case you just don't like what you mix at first. Don't get overwhelmed by things that say "get this equipment", there are few things you NEED. Bottles of some sort, Vegetable Glycerin, Propylene Glycol unless you use max vg thick stuff, and flavorings. Anything else is up to you, some people mix in beakers and some mix right into the final bottle. Most flavorings come with dripper tops so you don't necessarily need syringes to measure. Medium bottles to hold and pour the vg and pg while mixing can be useful, especially if you get gallons of the stuff.
An e-liquid calculator is very useful for making recipes and storing them, there are some good free ones out there online (ELR's e-liquid calculator is what I use).
I personally mix directly into the bottle on a scale (mix by weight) because I don't like to keep track of drops or use things like measuring syringes, but many people mix by drops (mix by volume).
It's a fun hobby and more, and keeps things interesting for me. I encourage everyone to do it.

 

[Twiggy1995]

I think by weight would be more practical for me indeed, as when i can do it good, and have a couple preferred flavors, i can make bulk amounts of them.

 

[MLEJ]

There's always herbal smoking blends I could fall back on, and just pack them into cigarette tubes, but vaping is cooler, and probably even less harmful than those.

If you're inhaling smoke from something that's burning, you're damaging your lungs, no matter whether it's tobacco or "herbs" or anything else.

There's fairly substantial evidence that it puts the brakes on Alzheimer's. I'm 70 and have Alz in my family tree. I'm guessing you're a lot younger, that's probably not so high on your worry list.

Someone very close to me got early-onset Alzheimer's in her late-50's. Tragic. i've wondered at times if things might have been different for her had she not given up smoking in her mid-20's. And wonder now, if vaping had been a thing then...
And about how much damage long-term the government's war on vaping and the media-narrative about it will do.