Funny times right now

[greencity]

I just wanted to provide a different perspective on this HC/no nic issue as I can't sleep. As much as all of this sucks at the moment, I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised. Health Canada's stance on nicotine in our eliquid hasn't changed. I feel for the vendors personally, but from a business perspective it probably should have been somewhat expected if not prepared for.

Personally I'm a little disappointed in the apparent disappearances of a number of vendors as soon as the going has gotten tough. I almost feel like they made their $$$ and now they're closing up their virtually 0$ overhead shops. I own a retail business and seriously considered getting into this but ultimately decided against it due to the uncertain legalities of the industry. They decided to go for it and now the rules that already existed are being enforced.

I know this little rant is probably going to piss off some people, but I spend a lot of time on this forum and I just wanted to put in my 2 cents. As I see it, and as I think HC probably sees it, inhaling PG and VG, artificial flavorings, and nicotine is relatively untested science and HC doesn't want to have blood on their hands in the event that a bunch of Vapers get sick and die. It's easier for them to nip it in the bud and stop it now. I'm not saying vaping is or isn't harmful, I'm just saying that noone has proved it is either to HC and until someone does, whether that's internally through HC (because of public pressure), or through suppliers, etc. they figure they'd rather have a bunch of ...... off vapers smoking cigarettes (which noone will blame them for) than some guy keeling over from vaping (when they could have and should have stopped it, hypothetically).

 

[zer0ith]

Your post does have some truth.

Its true that it is disappointing that a number of vendors just disappeared right away. Who knows maybe some of them may have something planned to provide to us that want/need it. Maybe they just close up shop and venture into another business opportunity. Who knows. Either way things will go on.

The problem with Health Canada is that they have to "study" almost everything for a number of years just to make sure its not harmful in the long run, or at least provide us with the information on how harmful it is and regulate it. Look at any tobacco product. We know it causes so many different issues yet its so common and easily obtained. They have done so many things in the past years to "get" people to stop smoking (warnings on packs, display bans, product placement, etc...) yet so many people choose to smoke.

Regulate it, tax it, do what ever you want with it. Just don't take it away from us. Learn from things in the past, prohibition didn't work, doing the same thing to our nic juices with just make it harder for us to get.

For me personally the disappointing thing about this is that we must resort to other means to get our nicotine. I just got into e-cigarettes and am loving it. It took me 2 months to be completely analogue free but I am here now and want to stay this way.

And there is my 2 cents on this.

 

[Pipeous]

ok, another take on the business side.

I ran phone rooms for many years way back. photography stuff mostly but also coupon books. it was actually a wild job and I made good money. we travelled around setting up temporary studios. I'd go into a sweep of western canada doing sooter studios, the back around we did angel studios, and portrait classis, and and and.... some companies had better following but we always filled the place.

nothing is ever going to be completely exterminated. they are just doing something because they have gotten outside pressure as well. they are saying, don't be so bloody blatant about this.... keep it underground like grunge music hehe. to grow, there will have to be a court challenge of some sort though eventually. we just have to bide our time and make do.

 

[Concat]

Inhaling PG/VG and flavors isn't the issue though... vendors can sell that no problem. But as soon as you add nicotine, then HC gets fussy.

See they aren't viewing it as an alternative to smoking. They are concerned about all the nonsmokers who will pick this up and get addicted. I don't know if that's a valid concern or not to be honest- and don't get me started on the "flavors target children" mentality.

 

[greencity]

Agreed Pipeous, it just seems weird about this outcry when what they were doing was "wrong" (not my words) and it was all over the internet. It was just a matter of time it seems. I also felt this way about the constant copyright infringements on trademark names that were being slightly altered to represent vape flavours, doomoreeay, timmy's double double, etc. Not to inadvertently single out vendors, but come on. They were making money off someone else's product. It's difficult to argue the legalities of that.

I also think though, that it's just a matter of time before it becomes mainstream and many of you are right. The only way to do this is to get it in the hands of vocal politicians. As for the election talk, it's hard to think that matters. If you could prove to an MP in your riding that there are 20,000 vapers who are concerned then sure, but I have a hard time believing we could get consensus among 20 vapers. My only wish is that HC would step up to the international plate and for once in their existence be a leader in bringing something to light rather than just wait and see what the US does. But again that's up to us. So I guess my suggestion would just be, rather than writing letters, if it's possible try and meet with your MP in person. They all have office hours. I went and met with mine a couple of weeks ago to just to introduce the product and give a quick rundown on the numbers of and the effect on now ex-longtime smokers.

 

[greencity]

I hear ya, but I think the only way they have a leg to stand on is because of the fact it contains nicotine. That's the only ingredient they have any control over. If PG was a "banned" substance, they would have use that to shut it down. Let's be honest, this industry wouldn't even exist if it never had a correlation to nicotine.

 

[Chime]

Too bad we couldn't get racketeering charges to stick on our own government. O well guess its time to get a PO box in montana, so nobody in my country can make any money off of my habits...

 

[Concat]

There are still a couple Canadian vendors selling nic juice that I haven’t heard anything from. I wonder if they too are shutting up shop and just haven’t made any announcements.

 

[LadyWeeps]

Sorry to trespass here, but I am spitting mad this is happening to you all. I am very confused about the legality of these actions. Did HC send letters to retailers of analog cigarettes? From the reading I've done, analogs contain the same ingredients ejuices contain. Anything ejuice has, analogs have too!

Again, hope I don't make anyone mad eh ....... POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!

 

[Concat]

Only we can say "eh."

jk

 

[Pipeous]

smart business people have allready adapted or have plans in place. I am sure many understand, and if you don't then you must be an HC spy and I ain't tellin' muahahaha

ok I am feeling silly. only slept 2.5 hrs

 

[wood]

posts like this are not going to help lol

 

[Pipeous]

I have to laugh or I get mad. laughing doesn't bother me as much

 

[wood]

i suppose your right

 

[inkedcanadian]

gotta try look towards the positive.

 

[wood]

yes but why even speak about that oooo evapers is gone now too

 

[inkedcanadian]

lets all just calm down lol

 

[Pipeous]

when I moved to alberta, back in 1988, I was always able to get kokanee beer. it took a bit of work but was possible. where there's a will, there's a way. chin up and all that verbiage

 

[punksynth]

My perspective was that HC thought this might be dangerous for us. Someone brought up a great point. You can still sell non nic juice. I believe that if HC was genuine about their concerns they would want to test the effects of non nic juice too.

 

[AlbertaClipper]

when I moved to alberta, back in 1988, I was always able to get kokanee beer. it took a bit of work but was possible. where there's a will, there's a way. chin up and all that verbiage

Ah, that brings back memories! That "unavailable" nectar just didn't taste as sweet once it became so readily available here. "The Kokanee Run" was one of those special college activities. Good times...