FUTURE IDEA: Variable Voltage X2?

[madmartyr72]

Hey everyone,

As I'm sure many of you agree that the introduction of the X2's and related hardware's has been a great step forward in SI's arsenal over the months, for those that have tried and experienced VV (variable voltage) devices know that there just isn't anything like them offered by SI as of now. Since the vaping world has quickly been expanding in the last few years, so too has many new innovative technologies. Until recently, VV devices has been pretty much limited to overly large and bulky and often confusing pieces of equipment sometimes referred to as 'Mods' throughout the vaping community, but that is beginning to change. Now, VV devices are becoming easier than ever (e.g. the eGO Twist)!

Like many, I started out vaping on 510 equipment (I still have my Joye eGO's but haven't used them since I found my Volt). When I first started to make the transition over from smoking to vaping, I once tried a ProVari VV device and LOVED it, but I ultimately felt it was just too big and bulky (and expensive!) for me. I felt like the KR808 style of the Volt was more along the lines of what I needed to help make my journey as painless as possible, and it worked. Now, a year and a half later smoke free, I find that my thoughts often drift back to that brief experience I had with variable voltage.

Now that VV devices are becoming more stylish, how awesome would it be to have a VV X2?! Anyone else feel like getting up and dancing around the room at the mere thought? ​LOL!!!

Opinions?

 

[propagandax]

My opinion is I don't want or care about variable voltage. May just be me but things are already complicated enough and just need the stuff we already have to work right.

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[nightfell]

SI might consider it, but I doubt it because it goes against the KISS thing they have going on with the products they currently offer.

 

[trichman]

The Volt system is all about regulated voltage holding around 3.6-3.7 volts. All cartomizers, clearomizers, nano, T3, etc. are all tuned for that voltage with resistance around 2.4-2.6 ohms. Applying higher voltages could cause variances in performance that were not contemplated in the design.

IMO, I feel that the Volt "System" provides all the benefits of higher voltage vaping without all the heat that is normally generated at higher voltages. I prefer a consistent experience from start to finish over variable voltage and don't think I would ever use it at anything below 3.6 anyway.

 

[cthompson116]

I think SI is slowly progressing into new products that aren't so plug and play. I thought the ce3 with the syringe thing would never happen at SI. I think it would be great to offer a VV x2, but mention in the description that different voltages can effect ......

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[madmartyr72]

The Volt system is all about regulated voltage holding around 3.6-3.7 volts. All cartomizers, clearomizers, nano, T3, etc. are all tuned for that voltage with resistance around 2.4-2.6 ohms. Applying higher voltages could cause variances in performance that were not contemplated in the design.

Oh I totally agree that an VV X2 system would not be the best choice for current hardware, but would still be more than compatible and probably perform really well at lower voltages with already existing cartos. An X2 with VV would just allow for individual tastes and flair (i.e. the sweet spot), and allow people who have never tried variable voltage the opportunity to test new waters without having to leave SI's incredible customer service. The creation of lower resist and higher resist hardware - say a T3 @ 1.5 ohms, and maybe even at 2.8 or 3 ohms for higher voltages, would give even more variety to the masses and wouldn't be that hard to manufacture IMO. All in all, I think VV could be a great step forward in SI's future (as far as I know, and please someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think there is another 808 VV device on the market) with minimal confusion. Besides, if anyone else is like me (i'm sure there is haha) and just LOVES playing with new techie gizmos, a VV X2 would open up Pandora's Box!

 

[Harplayr]

While I understand SI’s model of Kiss, I also recognize the need for keeping up with the Johan’s.
They’re doing a great job with the introduction of new product lines like their tanks, but I would also LOVE to see their take on a Twist like device. I really don’t think it’s too complex for a newbee to figure out and a Twist is certainly less fiddly than some of the tank systems in use or even filling cartomizers.

 

[madmartyr72]

While I understand SI’s model of Kiss, I also recognize the need for keeping up with the Johan’s.
They’re doing a great job with the introduction of new product lines like their tanks, but I would also LOVE to see their take on a Twist like device. I really don’t think it’s too complex for a newbee to figure out and certainly less fiddly than some of the tank systems in use or even filling cartomizers.

Totally!

Like an above poster already stated about the introduction of the syringe-filled CE3's, I was even shocked when I seen X2's hit the website lol! Evolution is the revolution in today's market...

 

[voodoocharlie]

I agree 100% Id love to see these products from SI. So much so I posted in the new product ideas thread hoping that Imagine would read and know that someone out there would like to see them doing it now we have another SI user thinking the same thing hopefully its something they decide to do it would open the market in SI world


I have friends that went with Volcano for the sole fact they could go from Mini's to VV with 1 company

 

[Imagine]

yeah but what is the benefit if you cannot use the mini stuff on the VV?

 

[bluecat]

I believe Imagine stated they wouldn't be going to a VV device. Of course that may change.

The CE3s were brought in because many requested them (similar to the vv discussion) until such time that SI would roll out their proprietary model. I believe the replacement was to be the T3.

Most of the VV is hype. You can see many talks about how great VV is. Most people hover around 3.7. I think Outlaw said or did something on it.

Now you can say each liquid will taste different at different volts. Quite frankly the juice will taste differently by what you eat or drink. Your tastes will change slightly each day. If you DIY or by from a vendor each bottle is likely to have minute differences in it. The voltage is just one of the components. Heck taste will change from one vap to the next.

From what I hear the lavatube isn't a very well made product in the long term.

To each their own mate.

I don't want the hassle of fiddling with a charger, a meter and all the other stuff that comes into play.

 

[madmartyr72]

yeah but what is the benefit if you cannot use the mini stuff on the VV?

That is another reason I think a VV X2 would make a good future product from SI - to be universally compatible with existing and future SI products. Being able to have all of your eggs in one basket is a huge plus (one of the biggest IMO). For over a year now, SI has been my one-stop-goto-shop for all my vaping needs (ahem...except for juice I'm afraid. Never been much of a fan of SI's juices ) and I love that.

 

[Imagine]

VV can not be compatible with the current offerings that is the issue...higher voltages need different ohms and construction.

That is another reason I think a VV X2 would make a good future product from SI - to be universally compatible with existing and future SI products. Being able to have all of your eggs in one basket is a huge plus (one of the biggest IMO). For over a year now, SI has been my one-stop-goto-shop for all my vaping needs (ahem...except for juice I'm afraid. Never been much of a fan of SI's juices ) and I love that.

 

[madmartyr72]

VV can not be compatible with the current offerings that is the issue...higher voltages need different ohms and construction.

Hmm, really? I definitely know at higher voltages it would require higher ohms cartos and tanks, otherwise ya would run into issues, but even a 808 style VV battery set at a lower voltage couldn't run an existing clearomizer? Sadly I admit I am no engineer, but it looked good on paper.

 

[Imagine]

the bottom horizontal coil in the cartos... can not handle more then 4 volts... its just the design of them which make them work so well on 3.7 volts ...all of our equipment is balanced to work on 3.6-3.7 volts. We take the guess work out of it. SI's goal is to be the best beginner and intermediate experience... we are not looking to be an advanced or hobbiest company. There are companies out there that have that business model and do it quite well already ... places like Volcano as mentioned below...still only dabble in VV and would not be able to keep up with the advanced user in the end.

Hmm, really? I definitely know at higher voltages it would require higher ohms cartos and tanks, otherwise ya would run into issues, but even a 808 style VV battery set at a lower voltage couldn't run an existing clearomizer? Sadly I admit I am no engineer, but it looked good on paper.

 

[Imagine]

If people move beyond SI that is ok...means we have done the job and have helped you make the switch to vaping... you know what they say you always remember your first

 

[madmartyr72]

the bottom horizontal coil in the cartos... can not handle more then 4 volts... its just the design of them which make them work so well on 3.7 volts ...all of our equipment is balanced to work on 3.6-3.7 volts. We take the guess work out of it. SI's goal is to be the best beginner and intermediate experience... we are not looking to be an advanced or hobbiest company. There are companies out there that have that business model and do it quite well already ... places like Volcano as mentioned below...still only dabble in VV and would not be able to keep up with the advanced user in the end.

Gotcha Imagine, thanks for the clarification. The main premise behind the reason I decided to create this post was just to see what other's might have thought about the possibility of a VV X2 sometime in the future (the idea still excites me at least lol). Over the many months I have been dealing with SI, I have seen a lot of changes: new directions taken. Even you have to admit that it's maybe a little too presumptuous to deny a direction that may be taken sometime in the future, but for right now I can see the logic.

The one indisputable truth of the world is that everything changes, and all of us are slaves of whim and chance. It makes a lot of sense to me what you said about SI being 'the best beginner and intermediate experience' and you nailed it - you are. I, like many other's on these forums, owe SI a debt of gratitude for helping us to get healthier after many years of self abuse. I have no doubt that SI will continue evolving to the needs and wants of it's customer's, but if the companies current philosophy is comparable to elementary and jr. high school, who know's what tomorrow might bring. Maybe - just maybe, a VV X2ish device might become it's future high school...

 

[Imagine]

correct..even bringing on an american juice line will be a big step into something new ...so never say never

Gotcha Imagine, thanks for the clarification. The main premise behind the reason I decided to create this post was just to see what other's might have thought about the possibility of a VV X2 sometime in the future (the idea still excites me at least lol). Over the many months I have been dealing with SI, I have seen a lot of changes: new directions taken. Even you have to admit that it's maybe a little too presumptuous to deny a direction that may be taken sometime in the future, but for right now I can see the logic.

The one indisputable truth of the world is that everything changes, and all of us are slaves of whim and chance. It makes a lot of sense to me what you said about SI being 'the best beginner and intermediate experience' and you nailed it - you are. I, like many other's on these forums, owe SI a debt of gratitude for helping us to get healthier after many years of self abuse. I have no doubt that SI will continue evolving to the needs and wants of it's customer's, but if the companies current philosophy is comparable to elementary and jr. high school, who know's what tomorrow might bring. Maybe - just maybe, a VV X2ish device might become it's future high school...

 

[madmartyr72]

correct..even bringing on an american juice line will be a big step into something new ...so never say never

Ok, ok...if you guys begin making your own line of handmade-made-to-order juices, I may have to choose that over a VV X2! Hell, I may even have to give ya'll a big ole sloppy cyber-kiss!

 

[1st Officer]

I have an Ego VV that I use for a paper weight but if SI made a X2 VV I would buy it cause I gotta have one of everything! What I found with the VV is you almost always end up at 3.5 to 3.7 anyway as that seems to be the sweet spot of most 510 tanks and cartos so unless you are a fan of hot vapor I think they are a waste of money. I got mine off Craigs List for $20 just to play around with it but got bored in about a day and threw it in the box with all the other stuff I thought might be cool to play around with. I hear Craigs List in most places won't list PVs but around here they still list firearms as long as you don't use the word gun or firearm and just stick with model numbers and calibers. I guess CLs word filter only looks for certain key words.