FUTURE IDEA: Variable Voltage X2?

[bluecat]

That's one constant....people will screw anything up and complain.

It great that you've found your comfort level, and are happy to stay there. Some will be happy at a more advanced level and others will find even the Volt 78 with prefilled carto's too much complexity to handle.

I just find that the abilty to make an easy adjustment like turning the knob to where I like it something that enhances my vaping experience more pleasurable without adding undue complexity outragious expence or hassle.

One great example of how this would be useful is with the bad batch of CE3's that worked fine on the 78's but gave a burnt flavor on the X2. I had one of these and was able to just turn the dial down a tad on my Twist to make it vape great on both the 78 and Twist.

I don't think the concept of a volume knob, thermostat for your heater or stove isn't too foreign a concept for most adults to comprehend, and most will "get it" and make that transition to being able to operate a PV. As long as they don't get too fancy with it by adding displays with complex menus and just use a simple knob calibrated to save min-max values then user error will be minimized.

It shouldn't be. I amazed at what some brilliant people (these people have genius IQs) can't really comprehend simplistic things.

Let me ask this.. does dialing it .1 volt really make that much difference in a vape? Heck some liquid I vaped last night tasted different today. It was the same ce3 on the same x2.

 

[Harplayr]

It shouldn't be. I amazed at what some brilliant people (these people have genius IQs) can't really comprehend simplistic things.

Let me ask this.. does dialing it .1 volt really make that much difference in a vape? Heck some liquid I vaped last night tasted different today. It was the same ce3 on the same x2.

Yes, .1 or .2 volts can make a difference. I can always tell when my 78 is getting to it's last few puffs because of the small dropoff in voltage at it's limit. It can also compensate for the tolerance difference between carto’s and juices.
In some cases a couple of tenths will make a big difference in other cases I really can’t tell much of a change. In the case of the CE3 that tasted burnt going down 0.2v made it vape great. I didn't even look at the numbers on the dial, it tasted burnt, so I set it lower just as I would if my toaster was burning my toast I'd lower the setting on the toaster.

I don’t play with the knob often, but it’s nice to have it when it’s needed. For the most part I just set it and forget it. If I put a carto on that is a tad out of spec, I can compensate for that. The same goes for some juices.

 

[madmartyr72]

It shouldn't be. I amazed at what some brilliant people (these people have genius IQs) can't really comprehend simplistic things.

Let me ask this.. does dialing it .1 volt really make that much difference in a vape? Heck some liquid I vaped last night tasted different today. It was the same ce3 on the same x2.

Believe it or not but vaping on variable voltage is a noticeable difference - let me correct that - it is a noticeable EXPERIENCE. Now, a .1 or .2 isn't going to make much of a difference to an average vaper, but an increase of .5 or higher can be a total game changer. All of the batteries from SI run between 3.5 to 3.7 volts which is standard, but lets say you could increase that to a 4.0 or 4.2 with VV. Depending on the juice your vaping, in almost all circumstances your going to get more flavor, lots more vapor, and a bigger throat hit. The whole purpose of VV is to allow for individual tastes is all, plain and simple. Like you said, you have been vaping the same CE3 since last night but for some reason it tasted a little off today. It could be a lot of reasons why that is (battery getting low, carto getting gunked, taking too long of hits, etc etc), but lets say you could get it to taste just the way you want and expect it to taste simply by increasing or decreasing the voltage on your battery. Wouldn't that be a nice little option to have at least? Kinda think of VV as the heater dial in your house - you can turn it up and down until you find that sweet spot to suit any occasion.

I think maybe this thread has kinda started to lose it's intended purpose and that was to get opinions on the possibility of something like a VV X2 in the future. There are a lot of mixed feelings on this subject, but so far the majority seems pretty apprehensive, or maybe just intimidated. And that is fine and understandable. What I failed to take into account when I started this post was that the majority of the customer base here has probably never tried anything other than the Volt or X2 since making the transition over to vaping. I didn't intend to unleash a whole new set of variables unto a populace that maybe just now are starting to get a grasp on what SI has available today. My deepest apologies...

In the end, it's never a contest of what's better and best, what's easy and easier - what's best is simply what's best for YOU. Were all Volties here and were all in love with the same great products. It's only gonna get better...

 

[bluecat]

Nah mate. It is a good thing.

I usually learn a lot for a discussion. I just couldn't see it and it wasn't worth 30+ bucks to find out. I usually have discussions over a beer or six.

Anyway you have peaked my interest on them. Which is good.

 

[Stormlark]

I posted a review on the Ego Twist a while back and said I didn't much care for it. Since then, I've been using it a lot more than the SI batteries, but I'm not sure it's necessarily the variable voltage feature that I'm drawn to. I think it's because lower voltages work better with the Vivi Nova, and I use the Novas quite a bit. On an X2, the Nova gets too hot for my taste, which could be because of it's top-coil design or a difference in the atomizer resistance (2.4ohms on the Nova, and I think SI uses 2.8ohms). With the Twist, I use it around 3.4 volts and it's a really nice set-up.

So should Smokeless Image release a variable voltage device? From my experience with the Twist, I've found that I prefer the ability to lower the voltage, but that seems to be limited to the Nova. Even though I'm able to use SI's CE3s/Cartos/Clearos on the Twist using the adapter I bought, I haven't found the desire to do so, which is interesting. That means that I'm fine with the standard voltage of the SI batteries when I'm using SI products.

I don't currently have the funds to invest in the new clearomizers that SI is coming out with, but I plan to eventually replace the Novas if their performance is comparable. When that happens, I'll be able to test the new clearos out on my various batteries and see what I think. If I find myself using them more on the Twist because of the flexibility in voltage, then I would say that SI could benefit from offering a VV device. However, since all their other products seem to work best with the standard voltage of their current batteries, I don't foresee the new clearos being any different.

So there's my


ETA - After calculating the watts, I understand why I prefer the Nova on the Twist at 3.4v.

If Volt Batteries are 3.7v, and their atty resistance is 2.8ohm - that's 4.89 watts on a normal setup. The Twist/Nova combination comes out at 4.81 watts. The X2/Nova jumps to 5.70 watts.

Disclaimer: I can't math

 

[somethingbeginningwithk]

(as far as I know, and please someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think there is another 808 VV device on the market) [/B]

I believe Vision does an 808 Spinner. Another vendor I buy from was considering stocking it.

 

[madmartyr72]

Well, here goes...

After over a year of being loyal and buying all my vaping needs (except juice) exclusively from SI, I am ashamed to admit that I have cheated and bought vaping gear from another company. I couldn't help it! I am just a *sniff, sniff* guy, and I was drinking! It started out innocent enough - reading harmless reviews, a few YouTube videos, etc...and then it *sniff* just happened. Before I knew it, I was on the website with credit card in hand! Please forgive my weakness I..I...*sniff, sniff* couldn't resist the temptation...

LOL ok, serious time! Yes, I have cheated...

After starting this thread, I had inadvertently sparked my interests in VV vaping. It occurred to me that I had very little to no firsthand experience with variable voltage, but yet here I was posting and debating about it. I wanted (maybe even needed) to give it a shot, so I ordered an eGo Twist from Altsmoke (SI's sister company?) along with some low resist cartos and a few ViVi Nova Slim Tanks. So, what do I think? Have you ever heard that saying 'you will never miss something you have never had'? WRONG! Yep...it has been a TOTAL game changer for me.

Now first off I am not gonna review another companies product on here, nor am I gonna advocate one product over another, I am just simply saying that getting my feet wet into the world of variable voltage has opened up Pandora's Box for me. So much in fact that my Volt's and X2's have now reluctantly became *sniff, sniff*...my back-up's, and I have even started throwing hints about wanting a ProVari for Christmas!

I guess it's kind of like what Imagine said 'If people move beyond SI that is ok...means we have done the job and have helped you make the switch to vaping... you know what they say you always remember your first...'. So now, I have truly crossed some strange waters. Sadly, now that I have tried and love VV vaping, I don't think I'll ever be satisfied going back to standard vaping. The difference is night and day to me now. After a year and a half of vaping on standard devices, it is only logical that VV had to be my evolution.

I made it to high school Imagine!

 

[bluecat]

I believe Vision does an 808 Spinner. Another vendor I buy from was considering stocking it.

Yes I saw those as a new product. Kinda hit the same time as the thread. I am unsure whether they are ego 808 or 808.. i think their is just the slightest difference.


"Now first off I am not gonna review another companies product on here, nor am I gonna advocate one product over another, I am just simply saying that getting my feet wet into the world of variable voltage has opened up Pandora's Box for me. So much in fact that my Volt's and X2's have now reluctantly became *sniff, sniff*...my back-up's, and I have even started throwing hints about wanting a ProVari for Christmas! " Let us know if it the newness or if after a few weeks it is still wonderful.. or at least please let me know. Basically the newness of vaping wore off for me. It is just like smoking now. Something I do everyday as a habit. I never really cared what smoke I smoked as long as I got my fix. That is were vaping is for me. Which is good because I am hoping to be off it all by the end of the year. I have been thinking of trying the gum and seeing if i can get by with it now.

 

[mudhill]

ya know the way i look at it,,i have spent way to much money on my volt products and i am not about to change my buying habits ,just cause there are other options out there.

i figure if i buy in to another product,,then i will go on a spending tangent to own every thing they sell.

i have spent 100's of dollars in the last 4 plus months,,,to switch to some thing else is lunacy in my view.

i have spent 6 times the money ,then i would have ever spent smoking in the same time.

when i quit buying volt products,,,it means that i have quit vapeing and i am no longer in bondage to any bad habit.

i have tried a lot of different e-cig companies over the last 2.5 years and i am satisfied with SI products.

a lot of the clearos are not perfect,,but they will improve over time or atleast i hope they will.

the funny thing is,,is that i just put a order in for XL blank cartos,,seems like i am going backward,,but decided that i liked the flavor of the carto's better then the clearos,,,go figure.

 

[Harplayr]

ya know the way i look at it,,i have spent way to much money on my volt products and i am not about to change my buying habits ,just cause there are other options out there.

i figure if i buy in to another product,,then i will go on a spending tangent to own every thing they sell.

i have spent 100's of dollars in the last 4 plus months,,,to switch to some thing else is lunacy in my view.

i have spent 6 times the money ,then i would have ever spent smoking in the same time.

when i quit buying volt products,,,it means that i have quit vapeing and i am no longer in bondage to any bad habit.

i have tried a lot of different e-cig companies over the last 2.5 years and i am satisfied with SI products.

a lot of the clearos are not perfect,,but they will improve over time or atleast i hope they will.

the funny thing is,,is that i just put a order in for XL blank cartos,,seems like i am going backward,,but decided that i liked the flavor of the carto's better then the clearos,,,go figure.

Smart guy.
You've found what works for you and you're sticking with it!

 

[Harplayr]

Well, here goes...

After over a year of being loyal and buying all my vaping needs (except juice) exclusively from SI, I am ashamed to admit that I have cheated and bought vaping gear from another company. I couldn't help it! I am just a *sniff, sniff* guy, and I was drinking! It started out innocent enough - reading harmless reviews, a few YouTube videos, etc...and then it *sniff* just happened. Before I knew it, I was on the website with credit card in hand! Please forgive my weakness I..I...*sniff, sniff* couldn't resist the temptation...

LOL ok, serious time! Yes, I have cheated...

After starting this thread, I had inadvertently sparked my interests in VV vaping. It occurred to me that I had very little to no firsthand experience with variable voltage, but yet here I was posting and debating about it. I wanted (maybe even needed) to give it a shot, so I ordered an eGo Twist from Altsmoke (SI's sister company?) along with some low resist cartos and a few ViVi Nova Slim Tanks. So, what do I think? Have you ever heard that saying 'you will never miss something you have never had'? WRONG! Yep...it has been a TOTAL game changer for me.

Now first off I am not gonna review another companies product on here, nor am I gonna advocate one product over another, I am just simply saying that getting my feet wet into the world of variable voltage has opened up Pandora's Box for me. So much in fact that my Volt's and X2's have now reluctantly became *sniff, sniff*...my back-up's, and I have even started throwing hints about wanting a ProVari for Christmas!

I guess it's kind of like what Imagine said 'If people move beyond SI that is ok...means we have done the job and have helped you make the switch to vaping... you know what they say you always remember your first...'. So now, I have truly crossed some strange waters. Sadly, now that I have tried and love VV vaping, I don't think I'll ever be satisfied going back to standard vaping. The difference is night and day to me now. After a year and a half of vaping on standard devices, it is only logical that VV had to be my evolution.

I made it to high school Imagine!

I agree with you about VV, but I will always still love the Volt 78 form factor too.
I just feel natural puffing on the 78's and like it better for driving. It's my go-to PV for out and about and I don't see that changing.

My perfect combo that I allways carry around in my pocket is a 650mah Twist and a 78mm Volt. If SI sold a twist-like battery I'd buy it from them in a heartbeat.

 

[Bukket5]

Well, here goes...

After over a year of being loyal and buying all my vaping needs (except juice) exclusively from SI, I am ashamed to admit that I have cheated and bought vaping gear from another company. I couldn't help it! I am just a *sniff, sniff* guy, and I was drinking! It started out innocent enough - reading harmless reviews, a few YouTube videos, etc...and then it *sniff* just happened. Before I knew it, I was on the website with credit card in hand! Please forgive my weakness I..I...*sniff, sniff* couldn't resist the temptation...

LOL ok, serious time! Yes, I have cheated...

After starting this thread, I had inadvertently sparked my interests in VV vaping. It occurred to me that I had very little to no firsthand experience with variable voltage, but yet here I was posting and debating about it. I wanted (maybe even needed) to give it a shot, so I ordered an eGo Twist from Altsmoke (SI's sister company?) along with some low resist cartos and a few ViVi Nova Slim Tanks. So, what do I think? Have you ever heard that saying 'you will never miss something you have never had'? WRONG! Yep...it has been a TOTAL game changer for me.

Now first off I am not gonna review another companies product on here, nor am I gonna advocate one product over another, I am just simply saying that getting my feet wet into the world of variable voltage has opened up Pandora's Box for me. So much in fact that my Volt's and X2's have now reluctantly became *sniff, sniff*...my back-up's, and I have even started throwing hints about wanting a ProVari for Christmas!

I guess it's kind of like what Imagine said 'If people move beyond SI that is ok...means we have done the job and have helped you make the switch to vaping... you know what they say you always remember your first...'. So now, I have truly crossed some strange waters. Sadly, now that I have tried and love VV vaping, I don't think I'll ever be satisfied going back to standard vaping. The difference is night and day to me now. After a year and a half of vaping on standard devices, it is only logical that VV had to be my evolution.

I made it to high school Imagine!

I did the same thing. I love the twist and the pink Provari keeps screaming "Buy Me!". But I still use all my X2s and I love the 78mm with the Nanos. I just got a Vivi Nova last night and I like the lower resistance, too. But I love the ego mega dual coil carts so they are my main reason for VV.

They all serve a purpose for me and I plan to keep using them all. I haven't found anyone that makes a better cart than SI and I still use carts especially on my auto X2s. I'm most looking forward to the T3 and if they make an X2 size Nano I'll be in nirvapor. The Nano is just so perfect. I'm not even sure why they are making them in colors. They are beautiful, sleek, and are super to vape.

 

[mudhill]

I did the same thing. I love the twist and the pink Provari keeps screaming "Buy Me!". But I still use all my X2s and I love the 78mm with the Nanos. I just got a Vivi Nova last night and I like the lower resistance, too. But I love the ego mega dual coil carts so they are my main reason for VV.

They all serve a purpose for me and I plan to keep using them all. I haven't found anyone that makes a better cart than SI and I still use carts especially on my auto X2s. I'm most looking forward to the T3 and if they make an X2 size Nano I'll be in nirvapor. The Nano is just so perfect. I'm not even sure why they are making them in colors. They are beautiful, sleek, and are super to vape.

you must have gotten some good ones!

 

[Baditude]

I started vaping with Smokeless Image in April. Four 78mm Volt batteries, because like many new vapors my devices had to look like cigarettes. However, I was never very good at making sure my stick batteries got stuck back into the charger for future use. I once ended up buying a pack of cigs when I discovered I was out of charged batteries and believed I just had to have a nic fix. Lucky for me the one cig I smoked tasted like

I went for more battery power with the X2's, and they were wonderful for what they were, but I still wasn't satisfied. I wanted easy all day vaping without ever worrying about carrying extra batteries or juice bottles. I wanted to use carto tanks. I wanted to go all day on one battery.

I got a BB and Silver Bullet from Smokeless Images's "unaffiliated, unofficial" sister company, AltSmoke. I was able to try higher voltage for the first time on a kicked Silver Bullet with my own favorite juices at the AltSmoke store in Columbus, Ohio. I vape mostly coffee flavors, and higher voltage really brings out flavor notes that I never knew existed before. I finally splurged on a Provari and I believe I have finally found my ultimate vaping device.

I still lurk here, and on the beginner forums I encourage new vapors to consider the benefits of Smokeless Image. SI is an easy sell because they ARE focused on the beginner and intermediate vapor. A major selling point is all of the equipment is compatible with one another, which simplifies choices for beginners and intermediates alike.

 

[voodoocharlie]

The benefit for my buddy and I understand his Rational is when you have a company you deal with for all your ecig stuff it has one face one name some people perfer that. Because I'm a SI user I won't goto VV unless Smokeless image does one and I want to but I'm a avid Smokeless image fan

This would also give SI a line such like Volcano you have the basic kit the volt this is your mini Ecig here are all the accessories for that

Then you have the V2 line here are all your accessories that work with that basically all the same items that work with the volt

Then you have your VV line which now you introduce your 3.0 ohm or greater Carto's and you introduce more items

Breaking it down with with this line use with this product.

To me if gives you room to expand gives you more products and gives you more of the market

But hey thats my thoughts I'm not a business major. But I am a electrical engineer

Just wanted to say I take back this saying got a awesome deal on a VMAX VV and couldn't pass it up doesn't mean I'm still not going to vape my SI gear just adding something else to the aresenal major downside is I will have to purchase a 510/808 adaptor to work with my SI products if I want to vape my SI products on it but still the VV is something I wanted too bad I had to go outside of SI to get it

 

[bluecat]

Just wanted to say I take back this saying got a awesome deal on a VMAX VV and couldn't pass it up doesn't mean I'm still not going to vape my SI gear just adding something else to the aresenal major downside is I will have to purchase a 510/808 adaptor to work with my SI products if I want to vape my SI products on it but still the VV is something I wanted too bad I had to go outside of SI to get it

If you want a Toyota you wouldn't go to Honda to get one. Jack of all trades master of none.

I think the adapters are cheap. I have been browsing the VV since you brought it up. Mainly I want a battery I don't have to charge. Sorta like Bad stated in his/hers. I really like the auto too. I haven;t been able to find a sealed Auto VV anywhere.

I am holding onto hope about SI's beefier battery.

I did see a 2200 Ego mod. Thing looked nice but the battery wasn't protected and I am not sure I want to go into the mod route.. My guess though the mod is similar in battery to the X2.

I want simplistic just like i took out my zippo lit the tip on the cig (well depending on how many Guinness I had). I really do not want to push a button.

I just had a client a couple weeks ask me if I could do a certain thing. No I couldn't but refered him to competitor. The competitor called and thanked me. Took me to lunch and refered 2 of his clients to me and I still have the original client. It was a win win.

 

[Baditude]

Mainly I want a battery I don't have to charge. Sorta like Bad stated in his/hers. I really like the auto too. I haven;t been able to find a sealed Auto VV anywhere.

I am not sure I want to go into the mod route.. My guess though the mod is similar in battery to the X2.

I want simplistic just like i took out my zippo lit the tip on the cig (well depending on how many Guinness I had). I really do not want to push a button.

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The above pics of an Altsmoke BB show how small a mod can be, just a little wider in diameter to an X2. It holds a 14500 battery that can easily give you over 8 hours or more of vape time. If it drops its charge, just pop a spare in (this battery is the same size as a AA battery). You can top it with a Vivi Nova or Titan tank for 5 ml of juice. All day with just one juice carrier = care free vaping as simple as it can be. The mod will last years. The batteries should last at least a year.

By the way, I'm quite certain you'll never find an automatic VV device. And I actually prefer the manual button to an automatic...more control of my vaping experience.

Not trying to convert you, just showing you the direction I went after Smokeless Image. Everyone must decide what is best for them, and the bottom line is whatever keeps you off of the smokes.

 

[HOPS]

I totally dig the idea of a VV X2... I've been noticing that my X2 is a little to "hot" for my CE3's...

 

[bluecat]

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The above pics of an Altsmoke BB show how small a mod can be, just a little wider in diameter to an X2. It holds a 14500 battery that can easily give you over 8 hours or more of vape time. If it drops its charge, just pop a spare in (this battery is the same size as a AA battery). You can top it with a Vivi Nova or Titan tank for 5 ml of juice. All day with just one juice carrier = care free vaping as simple as it can be. The mod will last years. The batteries should last at least a year.

By the way, I'm quite certain you'll never find an automatic VV device. And I actually prefer the manual button to an automatic...more control of my vaping experience.

Not trying to convert you, just showing you the direction I went after Smokeless Image. Everyone must decide what is best for them, and the bottom line is whatever keeps you off of the smokes.

Its all good. I have had a BB in a cart for a month or so. I haven't pulled the trigger. A couple reasons why. I like my x2s. I like the autos. I am not sure About the safety of the BB. I am not sure if i want to test the battery all the time. A little leary of the batteries is the big reason.

I love the look of it. I guess too many unknowns forme. But it caught my eye the first time you showed it. The thicker width appeals to me alot. The price not so much.

All options are good though. I like choices.

 

[bluecat]

I totally dig the idea of a VV X2... I've been noticing that my X2 is a little to "hot" for my CE3's...

Yeah i have noticed that too. It is supposed to be the same stickbat vs x2. My x2s aredefintely hotter. I like that though.