GG IMITATIONS and DIRECT COPIES. PLEASE BE CAREFUL !

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loodeytunes

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Dropping the retail price is not gonna help =) They are sold for as cheap as 40 euros here and they can afford it cause the materials used are cheap. Serial number will still work as we can always verify with the resellers, if in doubt =)


PS: I didnt notice the difference in the mouth piece, thanks for the heads up. I did notice the tank is taller and its not as clear as the original. Also the pattern on the air control ring is slightly different. Otherwise the logo and the serial looks the same.
 

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I have something in mind to avoid copiers or to make their lifes a little harder. I can make a GG with a small flaw in a way that copiers will not understand it and then I will send the update to my customers. Copies will spend enough time until they understand what is going on and the buyers of the copies will not be able to see why their "GG" isnt working like it had to be.

Its just a thought
 

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A Malaysia person registered his "GG" serial number on wiki, when a Greek person had the same serial number. Guys, please dont do that. You bought your copy and thats ok but dont try to register your copy on wiki. Its not good for anyone.

That's terrible. But maybe he didn't know it was a copy :confused:
 

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Thats why I am asking people to not buy 2nd hand GG anymore aal. Its not a wise decision. Also 2nd hand GG costs as the new ones. And after I will announce preorders for all GG items I dont see a reason for someone to buy a 2nd hand GG
That's terrible. But maybe he didn't know it was a copy :confused:
 

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A Malaysia person registered his "GG" serial number on wiki, when a Greek person had the same serial number. Guys, please dont do that. You bought your copy and thats ok but dont try to register your copy on wiki. Its not good for anyone.

That is just terrible! =( Dont hate all Malaysians for this though, it is true there are some rotten apple here but not all Malaysians are like this. We have a small but very passionate GG community here =)
 

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I have something in mind to avoid copiers or to make their lifes a little harder. I can make a GG with a small flaw in a way that copiers will not understand it and then I will send the update to my customers. Copies will spend enough time until they understand what is going on and the buyers of the copies will not be able to see why their "GG" isnt working like it had to be.

Its just a thought


Personally, Imeo, I find that a terrible idea, as it would be like stabbing yourself in the back. And here's why I think so: For one, if you did do it, it would be wise to keep it to yourself and not announce it on a public forum that is surely read by copiers themselves. More importantly, you would break the trust you have with your customers who expect a $200+ mod to work perfectly out of the box and not have a product that is faulty for weeks in their hands until a spare piece arrives. Not to mention that by saying this, many will begin to question past and future actions like the small nut that was delivered to us after we received our Ithaka. And I doubt copiers will spend too much time; all they have to do is see the spare part which you will have to hand out almost immediately.

I mentioned it in a previous post if you remember (even though you didn't seem to agree), that in my opinion, it was a big mistake on your behalf to come out and say it's fine for copiers to clone your products. You basically gave them a free pass to move on from closely related clones to exact replicas.

Improving the flow and supply of products with pre-orders is a very wise move that I applaud! If you're not willing to go the legal way as I have said in the past (even though costs will drop dramatically from 2014, but you should know better so I'm not insisting on that), essentially to stop sales and distribution of the products in key markets, one way to tackle this problem is what Nefelis proposed but with a twist. Don't lower the price of the Ithaka, introduce something like the Kayfun Lite - a lighter version of the Ithaka i.e. with a single plastic window (instead of the three-piece design) and only top and bottom caps, without air control rings etc. or maybe an Odysseus lite, at a more affordable price. People do want the original.

Imeo, I hope you don't take these comments, suggestions the wrong way (I'll blame the internet if you do :2cool:) - the only reason why I'm responding is not to criticize you, but to share my thoughts because I really like your work and it bugs me that Chinese companies are ripping GG off. Greece already has a ton of problems with its economy to be dealing with these issues. It's a shame that we have a number of talented people like Imeo and other Greek producers of mods and accessories like Atmistique, Vapourart and Atmomixanh who are trying to create new jobs and help the local economy only to have others stealing their creative work with cheap knockoffs. How are these countries to survive when any new idea, product they come up with is illegally cloned and mass-produced at cheap factories?
 
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copiers had started to make direct copies a long time ago before I say that I dont mind if people copy me Mist, so my announcement didnt push them to make more copies, they would make it either.

I dont like very much the idea of making a model that dont have all the features, I am the person that wants the "all in one" solution, thats why I am working so hard to find ways to add more features than the customer wants on a single device . But even if I try your solution, copiers will still copy the expensive and the less expensive GG construction.

Making a flaw on a GG device was just an idea. I dont like it much but I thought that I could post it here to see opinions.

Thanks a lot for your post and your suggestions:)
 
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Making a flaw on a GG device was just an idea.
Not sure about that... may end up being seriously problematic after sales reaching out to entire GG community regarding the particulars of the update. I also agree with Mistkok that a device that's $200+ should work perfectly out of the box.
 
I think you could give your customers a certifacte of authenticity personally signed by your hand imeo my friend? I have some more ideas but don't want to say them openly here because then everyone can see please pm me and I will share with you my ideas with you. I understand you asking people not to buy second hand but that hurts your brand, people buy your quality items as investment for security if they need to sell for any reason they can get the money back.
Together the gg community can win the war I'm certain.
 

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Certificate would very easily be replicated.

True but only if they want to go thru the trouble. I'd think that's not a priority of the ppl buying clones so manufacturers won't do it. I mean it has to be more than a piece of paper of course. Something with some kind of holographic seal or whatever. That said, I am not saying imeo should issue a cert for every ggs out there =D

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IMHO any company that is going to go out of their way to replicate the engravings would have no issue with a certificate even with a nice foil or holographic seal.

The majority of copiers don't copy the engraving so that is a start. And since Imeo has stated all GG's will have engravings from now on that will help.
 

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IMHO any company that is going to go out of their way to replicate the engravings would have no issue with a certificate even with a nice foil or holographic seal.

The majority of copiers don't copy the engraving so that is a start. And since Imeo has stated all GG's will have engravings from now on that will help.

Oh def fright I'm sure they can do it =)

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Good point fright but there has been serious issues of fake parts for a long time. Typical example is the bottom venting cap, there are absolutely tons of the brass bottom caps all fake and damn good fakes too. Only a GG expert can tell it's a fake.

Yes parts are a big concern. But for me anyways I am at a loss coming up with a solution.
 

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True, if they can copy perfectly an intricate piece like the venting cap I'm sure they can copy serial numbers or distinctive markings. The only solution to this problem is simply don't buy from people you don't know or trust and only buy from official GG distributors like E-SmokeGuru or Clouds of Vapor.
The reality of the matter is that every single successful product in history get's copied by those wanting to make a fast buck off someone else's ingenuity. We can't stop them from making them but at least we can be careful not to buy them
 

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Great paragraph Steve. One thing I know is these famous well know you tube reviewers need to stop doing clone videos. People don't have there own minds and if they see a famous reviewer saying its good words gets out a boom. It's disrespectful. It's like a Rolex. You can buy a fake Rolex that looks identical but it doesn't work as good because its not a real Rolex.
 
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I think e-smokeguru has already started a list of GG customers with serial numbers of their stuff.
I don't know if clouds of vapor, or bitfumo does the same.
We can understand that will be a painful procedure, but must be done.
I also can't think of another solution :(
Considering CaptSteeve's words about spare parts, i'm just saying... god help us.
 
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