Give credit where credit is due

[Proverb31]

Ok so here is something I think needs to be said, I think it is odd so many people on this forum say unkind things about Chinese made products. Please don't misunderstand, I'm a US a lady.. in fact a Daughter of the American Revolution, but still I believe we should give credit were credit is due.

The modern electronic cigarettes and e-liquids were an invention of a Chinese pharmacists. Maybe we can make a heavier more reliable device for twice the price in our garages, and I'm all for the free enterprising spirit. Still I think many people just spit vile out of their key boards when they speak of items made in China. Take a minute and ask yourself, how well you perform your job everyday? Do you ever make a mistake? Their products are less expensive because their labor costs are cheap, and their quality control may lack at times because they don't have our freedom to change careers. I think it is great to cheer on our own, but I don't think it is necessary to knock another to do it. I for one am grateful to the Chinese for this invention, for their ability to mass produce items I can afford, and for the variety of items they supply. I don't smoke anymore, that is a miracle to me. If the only items available had been american made ones, I probably still wouldn't know what an electronic cigarette is. Just food for thought. You might also want to consider that the internet is a world wide network, and people from every culture prefer to hear the positive. I for one want to say thank you to all the Chinese workers who toiled over the products that helped me quit smoking.

 

[theinlawjosie]

Right on! This is an excellent post! I appreciate American made just as much as the next guy, but as you stated, if the only vaping items available were made here in the US I probably wouldn't know what they were, let alone be able to afford them. And most importantly, no more analogs!!!! Yay!

 

[Butters78]

Ok so here is something I think needs to be said, I think it is odd so many people on this forum say unkind things about Chinese made products. Please don't misunderstand, I'm a US a lady.. in fact a Daughter of the American Revolution, but still I believe we should give credit were credit is due.

The modern electronic cigarettes and e-liquids were an invention of a Chinese pharmacists. Maybe we can make a heavier more reliable device for twice the price in our garages, and I'm all for the free enterprising spirit. Still I think many people just spit vile out of their key boards when they speak of items made in China. Take a minute and ask yourself, how well you perform your job everyday? Do you ever make a mistake? Their products are less expensive because their labor costs are cheap, and their quality control may lack at times because they don't have our freedom to change careers. I think it is great to cheer on our own, but I don't think it is necessary to knock another to do it. I for one am grateful to the Chinese for this invention, for their ability to mass produce items I can afford, and for the variety of items they supply. I don't smoke anymore, that is a miracle to me. If the only items available had been american made ones, I probably still wouldn't know what an electronic cigarette is. Just food for thought. You might also want to consider that the internet is a world wide network, and people from every culture prefer to hear the positive. I for one want to say thank you to all the Chinese workers who toiled over the products that helped me quit smoking.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I am in favor of the Chinese innovation.

Their low labor cost is maintained through indentured servitude of much of its work force. I cannot fix that for them, but I hope they gain some basic human rights one day.

 

[Orobas]

I agree completely.

Even if many of us were inclined - or in a financial position to afford - fancy american mods and atties and what have you... supply doesn't keep up with demand. People act like a knockoff mechanical or genesis from china impacts an american (or western european, if we're being fair) innovator. Not really.. they still sell out within minutes of being in stock most times.

What does concern me is the condition in which chinese laborers often work. But I don't think that declining to purchase a chinese product will help their situation, at all :/

 

[ScottP]

I haven't see any "spitting of vile" toward Chinese products here. I think pretty much everything we use for vaping is made in China. I would even say a high portion of the ECF posters actually have ordered from Fasttech (a Chinese company). What I DO see people mildly complaining about is the fact that one Chinese company will make a great product and then another Chinese company will make a craptastic knockoff that gives the original a bad name. For example Vision Vivi Nova's are a great product that have been copied by Smoktech right down to the packaging and have a lot more problems than the original. Most people do not realize the difference and attribute the problems to ALL Vivi Novas. This damages the original companies reputation for something completely out of their control. It costs them not only lost sales from people buying the inferior knockoff it also costs them future sales when someone reads a bad review or problems faced with the knockoff without realizing it was actually a knockoff.

 

[Butters78]

An American made the patent for the ecig before the honey lik guy created his I believe.

 

[unquiet]

And SciFi writers wrote about spaceflight before anyone had sent a satellite up there. Doesn't mean I give them credit for Apollo.

 

[GaryInTexas]

I don't criticize the Chinese. The low cost has helped many of us get into this. I would appreciate them more if their reject-recycle bin wasn't empty at the end of every shift.

 

[brock957]

I love shopping at fasttech.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I agree completely.

Even if many of us were inclined - or in a financial position to afford - fancy american mods and atties and what have you... supply doesn't keep up with demand. People act like a knockoff mechanical or genesis from china impacts an american (or western european, if we're being fair) innovator. Not really.. they still sell out within minutes of being in stock most times.

What does concern me is the condition in which chinese laborers often work. But I don't think that declining to purchase a chinese product will help their situation, at all :/

Agreement between the Lion and the Zebra.

 

[Butters78]

And SciFi writers wrote about spaceflight before anyone had sent a satellite up there. Doesn't mean I give them credit for Apollo.

It was never created due to the fact at the time not many people were really worried about the health benefits of quiting smoking. If there was a need it would of been created.

Creating a coil with positive and negative contacts isn't rocket science. Literally.

 

[Orobas]

There's only one way to solve the Vivi Nova debacle.

Epic rap battle between Vision and Smoktech.

Agreement between the Lion and the Zebra.

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Aren't you sweet. You must have just eaten lol

 

[Ken_A]

The original ecigarette was created in 1963, and I think patented in 1965. In 2007, if I remember correctly, a Chinese pharmacist developed the modern version. This only understates that while Americans are darned good at innovation, we need to step up on practical development.

There HAVE been people that insist that we all purchase only US made ecig products, and I personally have not agreed with that stance. I buy American when it's as good or better than foreign made. And I buy foreign made when it's better than American.

I'm really hoping that an American makes an affordable USB-ego truly VV device. One that does more than just swap between 3 set voltages. But I'm not gonna hold my breath. For either US OR Foreign.

It was never created due to the fact at the time not many people were really worried about the health benefits of quiting smoking. If there was a need it would of been created.


Creating a coil with positive and negative contacts isn't rocket science. Literally.

COMPLETLY disagree. It would have been done if large companies were. To making enough off of tobacco. Health concerns have had less and less to do with product approval since the mid 50s. Follow the money to find the source of acceptance.

 

[ScottP]

I agree completely.

Even if many of us were inclined - or in a financial position to afford - fancy american mods and atties and what have you... supply doesn't keep up with demand. People act like a knockoff mechanical or genesis from china impacts an american (or western european, if we're being fair) innovator. Not really.. they still sell out within minutes of being in stock most times.

What does concern me is the condition in which chinese laborers often work. But I don't think that declining to purchase a chinese product will help their situation, at all :/

As I mentioned previously I have no problem with clones as long as the clones do not also commit product "identity theft" as well. If the clone does not use the originals name, packaging, etc. and try to market itself AS the original then I say more power to them. However in the Smok vs Vision Vivi Nova example I gave this is not the case and this effective "identity theft" IS causing a problem for the original brand.

How would you feel if a Chinese company started making iPhone clones using the Apple logo and selling them as "iPhones" and even copied the packaging with the only difference being that they broke shortly after purchase, the batteries died and/or leaked, and the cameras only took blurry photos? If the consumer was unaware that what they bought was a knockoff it would indeed damage Apple's reputation and cost them market share.

 

[MartiP]

What does concern me is the condition in which chinese laborers often work. But I don't think that declining to purchase a chinese product will help their situation, at all :/

Yep. Actually, buying products may help, because Chinese industries with a primarily American market may watch their practices a little closer to avoid some big PR disaster if abuses hit the news. Either way, not buying is going to have zippo impact. Also, I think we in the west are sometimes a little naive. Yes, their working conditions may not meet our standards, and would be completely unacceptable here. But they aren't comparing themselves to us. They may be comparing their current job to where they were before it - which might have been subsistence or starvation. On that scale, their current job may look pretty good to them. There's a touch of arrogance in citizens of a very wealthy country who already reaped the benefits of our industrial/technology revolution getting all judgemental over people who are still in the process, with abuses very similar to what ours were many decades ago. Maybe we can afford to be picky at this point, because we are already very comfortably developed. Maybe they can't. Just food for thought.

 

[EddardinWinter]

There's only one way to solve the Vivi Nova debacle.

Epic rap battle between Vision and Smoktech.



Aren't you sweet. You must have just eaten lol

Yes, I did. You should thank the Warthog's family for the 'contribution' their father made to the moment of Harmony. Burp.

Oh, excuse me....

 

[MartiP]

Agreed, ScottP, intellectual property theft is a whole 'nother thing, and a problem. But that doesn't apply to all Chinese products in general.

 

[EddardinWinter]

As I mentioned previously I have no problem with clones as long as the clones do not also commit product "identity theft" as well. If the clone does not use the originals name, packaging, etc. and try to market itself AS the original then I say more power to them. However in the Smok vs Vision Vivi Nova example I gave this is not the case and this effective "identity theft" IS causing a problem for the original brand.

How would you feel if a Chinese company started making iPhone clones using the Apple logo and selling them as "iPhones" and even copied the packaging with the only difference being that they broke shortly after purchase, the batteries died and/or leaked, and the cameras only took blurry photos? If the consumer was unaware that what they bought was a knockoff it would indeed damage Apple's reputation and cost them market share.

It would be unfair. However, given the appalling conditions of apple factories in China, it might have a twist of ironic justice to it.

 

[Proverb31]

An American made the patent for the ecig before the honey lik guy created his I believe.

Yes in the mid 1960's the original cigarette vaporized tobacco, but it didn't go to market. The modern ones are different in they don't use tobacco, but vaporize nicotine,