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Bigflyrodder

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So, I see a lot of Reonauts post about using wire gizmos. Wondering how much easier they are to use than say wrapping a coil around a lure lock needle, screw driver, and the like. I'm not saying my coils are perfect but they are pretty tight and clean however, if this really is a better mouse trap, could be worth at least looking into.

Never used one, never seen one in person actually.

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I didn't like mine when I got it, still don't, have way too many other options that work faster, easier, better for me. But lots of folks here like theirs.



Was interested in this Gizmo at one time to go along with my MicroStick, but not by the time it was available. ;)

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It's quite easy to use the coil gizmo - I use the 2nd smallest rod to make ~1/16" ID microcoils. The advantages to me are.....

* Perfectly recreatable coils. This is important to me as I prefer dual build setups and having identical coils is a goal.
* Easily applied tension. Many have opined the advantages of tension coils.
* Ease of coiling. Twisting a rod is easier for me than twisting kanthal around a mandrel, especially with thinner, more springy wire.

Now, do you have to have one? Nope. A 1/16" drill bit was fine for me for months and months. The gizmo just takes most of my own inexactitude out of the equation and I find it easier.
 

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I love mine, I found it a Michaels craft store for about $10.00. I tried to order one from Amazon but after waiting a week for it to ship I just cancelled the order and went looking for one locally.

It is a pretty cool device I just never could make my coils freehand, after 33+ years of gaming the hands have taken a beating. Now my coils look like I bought them somewhere couldn't be happier. If you do get one get a small screw with a wing nut and a couple of washers to hold the wire in place before winding. I got those for less than $2.00 at a local hardware store.

I took the rod in to size it but I think SuperX mentioned it was an M4.

 
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I find the gizmo really easy to use. I used a 6-32 screw and wing nut...im just not a metric fellow.

for those of us that are cheap like me, you can usually find a 50% off coupon online for Michaels. This brings the net price to about $5.50. it cant be beat at full price, but for half price its even better.

a quick trip to the hardware store and i bought 9 feet of 1/16 music wire and made a couple mandrels just to put coils on and allow me to mount or push them as needed.

The gizmo is certainly worth the price of admission, imo

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I was using a KKVapeTek coil jig which is pretty damn good until I got the Gizmo
My coils with the Gizmo turn out perfect tight coils without torching or squeezing and with very predictable resistance
Definitely an improvement
Just like superX says
FORGET HEATING / TORCHING / PULSING / SQUEEZING
 
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I bought both the cheapo one that comes with two rods and the deluxe one... I don't use them... well, I should say I don't use them as intended. I like the smaller rod that came with the el-cheapo. I think it's 2mm... I wrap my RM3 coils on the part that is supposed to be the crank... I wrap them just as if I was using a needle or screw or whatever by hand. -- I don't even know where the gizmo frames are (the part that mounts to the workbench) or the other shafts... The only one I could lay hands on right now is the 2mm shaft from the cheap gizmo.

I'm still using a 2.75 mm pulley shaft (half threaded half smooth machine screw) for my RM2 coils.

The gizmo just didn't do it for me.
 

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So, what is the benefit of a "tension" coil vs. a standard microcoil?

Hey big, mornin'. Short answer is temperature. That's what we're after. And resistance is both the measure and the target. So tension winding is the means to get us there as quickly as possible in practical terms. It's a method and a standard used in the communications and electrical industry since the science began. I didn't dream this up. I was the kinda kid that sat around and listened to the stories of older wiser people than myself on what life used to be like.

Kanthal is comprised of a unique metal alloy. When pulsed electrically (heated) it develops a uniform alumina oxide layer which insulates the wire against shorting. Both direct contact shorts and thermal shorts, their equivalent (hot spots or segments). Both raise resistance making the wire substantially hotter and scorching our lungs with resulting dry hits.

The reasons I've better explored with many other postings on resistance and tension. And here's a recent example, The Pin Vise and "Stickyness".

Tensioning the wire with a kind of shaped memory creates the ideal relationship of turns for the uniform development of that oxide layer which is at the heart of a great vape. While we can do it by external force the hazards of damaging the wire with impurities, scorching or mangling of the geometry is far greater. I spent time researching the feasibility of this adaptation for the important purpose of enabling folks to achieve a simple electrical baseline quickly with minimal tools and instruction.

It's what we need to gauge everything else that we do. When we get it right and it just works.

Good luck big.

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Just saw a new coil gizmo on the RBA ReadyXWick website.
called the Sidewinder EZ Coil - looks kinda cool, very compact but at $35 kind of steep!

Great video, Russ. You're a natural on camera.:)
I think I'll be shopping around for one of those gizmos. Thanks alot.


Gentlemen, unfortunately although very sexy looking you can't apply tension with the device featured on RBA's site. And if you're going to use a jig you might as well get it right just as super_X_ says. If you're going to go through the effort of winding something might as well get as perfect a result as can be gotten. Otherwise, why are we spending our money?

A discussion starting here yesterday on the tension winding thread...#2236, Protank MicroCoil Discussion!! t1 - Page 224

Just sayin'.

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