GLASSMANOAK'S Contest Thread #125 for WINNERS and with MULTIPLE WINNERS !!

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3. Yes Tiggs, my team did win, and while it does nothing for our season, it was very sweet indeed! Glad your team won as well! :D...Lasagna sounds good...we're still trying to decide what we're going to eat here...looks like take out, but not sure what yet.

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Well I am glad your team won Tigg & Angel..........and also Fuzzy please do report that bad activity to the moderators....I would hate for any newbie to think that is how we all are......
I am off for now....have a great day everyone....I will check back in later on......
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I hope you didn't really hurt the cow...............
If he can then he need to explain it to the rest of the world.
No, dear. The cow kicked me so I kicked her back. It startled her, but made her pay attention. Had it been a person, I would have merely yelled to get her attention, then we could have discussed the bad attitude, but cows do not respond to gentle language all the time. Come to think of it, most people don't either - today.
What I meant about Uncle helping here is that he has had some training in this area and might provide something the rest of us hadn't thought of.
No, seriously... elbow room. And, closure...
That goes hand-in-hand with the suggestion that the Universe is shrinking. While astronomers claim the Universe is still expanding, planet Earth is not, and, as you say, our population is greatly increased. But out here in the country, one would never know that. So is this a city thing? Are people madder because they are piled on top of each other?
I think it has to do partially with instant gratification and a little moment in the spotlight attitude
Hmmmm... maybe I am missing something here, but I have never yelled at someone to put myself in the spotlight. If I need a spotlight, I'd stand on a stage and tell bad jokes while y'all Boo at me. :) Is hurting someone else's feelings truly a way of acquiring gratification? I wouldn't think so, but perhaps I have not changed with the rest of this world.
ohhhh...please...if you see someone being rude or mean to another, report their post !
Didn't know you got in on this one Classy. But since you're here... At what point do I have the right to judge whether John Doe is being rude to Sally Smith or if they are merely joking with each other? Do I report anything that bothers my sensibilities and let the moderators be the judge? Then, at what point do you start ignoring my reports because you deem me to just be overly sensitive? For one of these situations I am talking about, a moderator froze that thread this morning (no, I wasn't the reporter). For another one, the person being yelled at will likely never post on that thread again when, in my opinion, she said nothing out of line, but the yeller had taken offense for whatever silly reason.

What I am trying to understand here, however, is not how ECF works, but why people think they have to do this to each other. Thank you all for your input. My basic psychology books are old and don't cover this area. More input is required.

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Didn't know you got in on this one Classy. But since you're here... At what point do I have the right to judge whether John Joe is being rude to Sally Smith or if they are merely joking with each other?

Trust your Spidey Senses, the Staff will check things out if they are reported :)

Do I report anything that bothers my sensibilities and let the moderators be the judge?

If you feel someone is out of line and disrespectful or hurtful - yes

Then, at what point do you start ignoring my reports because you deem me to just be overly sensitive?

Never

For one of these situations I am talking about, a moderator froze that thread this morning (no, I wasn't the reporter).

Good !

For another one, the person being yelled at will likely never post on that thread again when, in my opinion, she said nothing out of line, but the yeller had taken offense for whatever silly reason.

This is not the way for people to feel comfortable when they come to ECF and why things should be reported :(

What I am trying to understand here, however, is not how ECF works, but why people think they have to do this to each other.

THAT sweetie is the Million Dollar Question !

Thank you all for your input. My basic psychology books are old and don't cover this area. More input is required.

I am so glad I saw your post !
I thank you for caring :wub:
 

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1/3 - 5: Come on I said this year, how many days do you have left? LOL It is just getting into the "winter" spirit, things had to chill out for a while. Now that all that stuff is cool or cold.....

The video is just because I can:

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No, dear. The cow kicked me so I kicked her back. It startled her, but made her pay attention. Had it been a person, I would have merely yelled to get her attention, then we could have discussed the bad attitude, but cows do not respond to gentle language all the time. Come to think of it, most people don't either - today.
What I meant about Uncle helping here is that he has had some training in this area and might provide something the rest of us hadn't thought of.

That goes hand-in-hand with the suggestion that the Universe is shrinking. While astronomers claim the Universe is still expanding, planet Earth is not, and, as you say, our population is greatly increased. But out here in the country, one would never know that. So is this a city thing? Are people madder because they are piled on top of each other?

Hmmmm... maybe I am missing something here, but I have never yelled at someone to put myself in the spotlight. If I need a spotlight, I'd stand on a stage and tell bad jokes while y'all Boo at me. :) Is hurting someone else's feelings truly a way of acquiring gratification? I wouldn't think so, but perhaps I have not changed with the rest of this world.

Didn't know you got in on this one Classy. But since you're here... At what point do I have the right to judge whether John Doe is being rude to Sally Smith or if they are merely joking with each other? Do I report anything that bothers my sensibilities and let the moderators be the judge? Then, at what point do you start ignoring my reports because you deem me to just be overly sensitive? For one of these situations I am talking about, a moderator froze that thread this morning (no, I wasn't the reporter). For another one, the person being yelled at will likely never post on that thread again when, in my opinion, she said nothing out of line, but the yeller had taken offense for whatever silly reason.

What I am trying to understand here, however, is not how ECF works, but why people think they have to do this to each other. Thank you all for your input. My basic psychology books are old and don't cover this area. More input is required.

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No one has the right to make anyone feel less than wonderful.

This is the only reason I'd go to church,

gospel is the mother of all modern music.

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Welcome back Angel.....you were missed even if I didn't mention it.........

I don't get it either.........what is wrong with the world today?
I heard somewhere the other day about how it used to be if someone made you angry you would argue with them...sometimes punch/hit them....but today they pull out a gun & shoot them right out of the chute...usually because they are angry at someone/thing else............I don't get why Anger management isn't being taught more.......

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poverty. The numbers are staggering, even if it's not immediatley visable,
when shelter, food, medical are in jeapordy, people are on edge and desperate.

City after city are announcing they've "cured" their homeless problem and what they've done is shipped them elsewhere or made them illegal as in usuing "public" facilities. They loose their right to be a member of the "public". A lot of people are a few paychecks away from joining them. It is not possible to rent an apt anywhere in the US on minimum wage. Like I said, the poverty numbers are staggering right now. That's not healthy for society.

I opened my FB news feed to more stories than I want to count of innocent people, including children, being shot within the last 24 hours. Some acciedental, some questionable and some intentional. Does that mean it's happening more? I don't know. What I do know is that questions about gun control are top of the headlines now. Some of this needs to be taken into context of what's topical.

There was a poster on ECF that wished they could "kill all liberals", and the post recieved many "Likes". I almost stopped coming to ECF. I did post that I was offended and their position was DEFENDED! I didn't report it because I had hoped to make the case that anger is not a valid opinion and I'm afraid I failed. To my knowledge, that post remains. IMO they are bullies. Tolerance for violence by society is at an all time high, and ECF doesn't escape.

I will not participate in Legislation or FDA Regulation forums on ECF because of the accepted attitudes there. There's a good chance those attitudes are spread outside of ECF and that hurts all of vaping.

Anyway, that's my :2c:.

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@Fuzzy Thunderbear . . .

Well - Isn't this an interesting conversation to come across today. . .
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As for whether or not I can help Ya' understand why it is happening, that's very debatable, especially since I am still trying to figure a lot of it out "Myself" at times and do not have an absolute answer . . .However, I will try to give "You" some reasoning behind this kind of attitude and how it is manifested into this type of behaviour that without a doubt has become more acceptable to a number of people than it did in the past . . .

NOW - As has already been mentioned, some of the reasons that people came up with are quite true and are actually very much factors . . . Such as:

usually because they are angry at someone/thing else............I don't get why Anger management isn't being taught more.......

Elbow room.

No, seriously... elbow room. And, closure...

The problems, IMNSHO, are population. In the 50s, there was a sense of peace and prosperity that came after winning the war and surviving the depression that preceded it.

The world's population was 2.5 billion.

Today, we're going into our 15th year of war. Gas prices, although down, are still at record highs while income has not kept up in any way, shape, or form.

The world's population is nearly 7 billion.

We have no closure to the war, and we have no closure to financial crisis, and we have no elbow room...

I think it has to do partially with instant gratification and a little moment in the spotlight attitude.

the thing is everyone wants..and wants it now......but want is not need.... but it seems to me that the definition of want is not the same as is was..........children want things that they can't ever have (like a pony, when they live in the city) but adults used to be more reasonable....and wanting things that were more practical....like a new car or something they actually needed...
Maybe in part because people never grow up.....now a days they feel like they don't have to.....
Just a little of my opinion.........

poverty. The numbers are staggering, even if it's not immediatley visable,
when shelter, food, medical are in jeapordy, people are on edge and desperate.

AND - While all these opinions are factors in why people behave as they do today, it really comes down to the social constructs and constraints in which the majority of society is willing to accept as appropriate behaviour, particularly when it comes to what is continually allowed by others (The majority) who do not speak up about what is not going to be acceptable - nor allowed . . . More specifically, it really comes down to Common Basic Civility and the loss of same when people as a whole started to become even more self-centered as being more important than and not caring about anyone else - but themselves too.

So is this a city thing? Are people madder because they are piled on top of each other?

ABSOLUTELY - NOT ! ! !

It actually started a long time ago . . .

Now - I could go on and explain a number of other factors that lead up to this, including all the changes in how people communicate with each other personally today compared the past . . . Matter of fact, one of the post "You" had in another thread (I think is was on the porch) a while ago spoke very well about the difficulty of being able to read the intent of a post and how people could misinterpret them very easily depending on their own perspective/s . . . However staying specifically with why "You" asked this question . . . "note a great deal of hostility, anger, people being huge jerks for apparently no reason at all." . . .

IMO, both personally & professionally - the loss of Common Basic Civility came about with the continued rise of Social Media as a norm to express oneself and when society started to accept that it was alright that people could do as they wished and actually encouraged them to do so on the Internet . . . AND - Since some people believe that the Internet allows them the anonymity to say what they wish and can get away with disruptive/abusive comments on forums all because they get some form of sick satisfaction of power/control . . . The worse part is that it does and there are many others who will "egg" them on too . . . So - Screaming out insults as a way of getting attention or getting your point/opinion across - has essentially become the "Norm" . . .

Just as an example: Look at what happen when President Barack Obama was giving his National Address to Congress & the Nation in 2009 and that Senator screamed out "You Lie" . . .Nothing was done, no one "hushed"/stopped him, nor even reprimanded him at the time from what we know . . . AND - Whether or not the Senator was correct in his assertion doesn't matter (And BTW: President Obama didn't lie), it should never had been done at that time - nor should it have been accepted . . . The Senator should have expressed his personal opinion to the press after the Presidential address . . . Just Sayin' . . .

Hope that at least touches a little bit on the why it will sometimes happen . . .


BTW: A DISCLAIMER - While I am a Counselor in Human Behaviour Modification, what has been written in this post is by no way the be all end all - nor as the only answer to this type of situation . . . The wordage used are, as always "My" Personal & Professional Opinion from "My" Experiences and Knowledge Base . . . If "You" disagree with what I have said in this post or have "Your" own opinion - GREAT ! ! ! This one is "MINE" ! ! ! :img:


Okay - 2 hours later from the start of this post - it's time for dinner . . . :facepalm:

Later "Tree-Peeps" . . . :D
 
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@Fuzzy Thunderbear . . .

Well - Isn't this an interesting conversation to come across today. . .
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As for whether or not I can help Ya' understand why it is happening, that's very debatable, especially since I am still trying to figure a lot of it out "Myself" at times and do not have an absolute answer . . .However, I will try to give "You" some reasoning behind this kind of attitude and how it is manifested into this type of behaviour that without a doubt has become more acceptable to a number of people than it did in the past . . .

NOW - As has already been mentioned, some of the reasons that people came up with are quite true and are actually very much factors . . . Such as:

AND - While all these opinions are factors in why people behave as they do today, it really comes down to the social constructs and constraints in which the majority of society is willing to accept as appropriate behaviour, particularly when it comes to what is continually allowed by others (The majority) who do not speak up about what is not going to be acceptable - nor allowed . . . More specifically, it really comes down to Common Basic Civility and the loss of same when people as a whole started to become even more self-centered as being more important than and not caring about anyone else - but themselves too.

ABSOLUTELY - NOT ! ! !

It actually started a long time ago . . .

Now - I could go on and explain a number of other factors that lead up to this, including all the changes in how people communicate with each other personally today compared the past . . . Matter of fact, one of the post "You" had in another thread (I think is was on the porch) a while ago spoke very well about the difficulty of being able to read the intent of a post and how people could misinterpret them very easily depending on their own perspective/s . . . However staying specifically with why "You" asked this question . . . "note a great deal of hostility, anger, people being huge jerks for apparently no reason at all." . . .

IMO, both personally & professionally - the loss of Common Basic Civility came about with the continued rise of Social Media as a norm to express oneself and when society started to accept that it was alright that people could do as they wished and actually encouraged them to do so on the Internet . . . AND - Since some people believe that the Internet allows them the anonymity to say what they wish and can get away with disruptive/abusive comments on forums all because they get some form of sick satisfaction of power/control . . . The worse part is that it does and there are many others who will "egg" them on too . . . So - Screaming out insults as a way of getting attention or getting your point/opinion across - has essentially become the "Norm" . . .

Just as an example: Look at what happen when President Barack Obama was giving his National Address to Congress & the Nation in 2009 and that Senator screamed out "You Lie" . . .Nothing was done, no one "hushed"/stopped him, nor even reprimanded him at the time from what we know . . . AND - Whether or not the Senator was correct in his assertion doesn't matter (And BTW: President Obama didn't lie), it should never had been done at that time - nor should it have been accepted . . . The Senator should have expressed his personal opinion to the press after the Presidential address . . . Just Sayin' . . .

Hope that at least touches a little bit on the why it will sometimes happen . . .


BTW: A DISCLAIMER - While I am a Counselor in Human Behaviour Modification, what has been written in this post is by no way the be all end all - nor as the only answer to this type of situation . . . The wordage used are, as always "My" Personal & Professional Opinion from "My" Experiences and Knowledge Base . . . If "You" disagree with what I have said in this post or have "Your" own opinion - GREAT ! ! ! This one is "MINE" ! ! ! :img:

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I think you did a very good job.
What is "accepted" as the norm is very important.

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IMO, both personally & professionally - the loss of Common Basic Civility came about with the continued rise of Social Media as a norm to express oneself and when society started to accept that it was alright that people could do as they wished and actually encouraged them to do so on the Internet . . . AND - Since some people believe that the Internet allows them the anonymity to say what they wish and can get away with disruptive/abusive comments on forums all because they get some form of sick satisfaction of power/control . . . The worse part is that it does and there are many others who will "egg" them on too . . . So - Screaming out insults as a way of getting attention or getting your point/opinion across - has essentially become the "Norm" . . .
Bravo, well written! :thumbs:
I couldn't agree more, especially the part about on-line communication and forums.

I also agree with others in that the world is overpopulated and a large portion of society is focused on instant gratification.
 

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Hmm... what a day to be away from the thread. Interestingly enough, my wife and I had a similar conversation while we were out today. We had stopped to get some lunch and were just beginning to eat when a couple of other families came in. Out of the 6 or 8 kids that came in with them, at least 5 of them were making whiny demands of the adults with them. My wife looked at our kids and then wondered what the world will be like with all of these children who start their requests for things already whining. That included our kids. I suggested that some of it stemmed from lack of parental discipline--but that also that, in many cases, the discipline is not exercised because of the additional demands on parents these days--including stagnant incomes, more demands at (and away from--though still by) work, and greater distractions by the relentless onslaught of information. We're already seeing some of the results of such from the older generation of Millennials who are in college today and have an unswerving belief that they should be accorded respect and prosperity just for being, regardless of whether or not they actually do anything.

Further, the amount of advertising bombardment we undergo today is far greater--and much more insidious--than what we used to go through. Advertisers have figured out how to weave subtle messages into their advertisements for products: they're not selling a widget, they're selling happiness, popularity, self-esteem, and love. Younger minds are warped by this process, suck it in, and believe that if they don't have the latest, greatest thing that their lives may as well be over. Popular music of yesteryear might have described going for a drive with a lover or friends or maybe about how fast their car is. Today, there are no songs about cars--but there are plenty of popular songs (some by teen stars) talking about picking up their friends in their Mercedes Benz or cruising the street with their entourage in their flashy Escalade. Years ago, there was an uproar over the use of "product placement" in films--Reese's scored a coup over Mars by getting Reese's Pieces in E.T., Audi is the car in the latest Bond adventure, etc.--but now? Hardly a peep. Along similar lines, the never-ending slew of pop-references in children's movies, franchise re-boots, and adaptations of classic societal icons creates a cultural disconnect with popular touchstones. King Arthur was a legend that brought hope to the peasants of England and Wales--but in "Once Upon a Time" he's a power-grabbing, treacherous liar--kids seeing this (and, yes, my kids watch these shows) without knowledge of the original story and the history are coming away from this with a completely different understanding than what earlier generations may have. All of which leads to a breakdown of understanding between generations.

I seem to have wandered off topic... but the question is not just about what we are seeing now, but also what will we see in the future?

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