GLASSMANOAK'S Contest Thread #129 for WINNERS and with MULTIPLE WINNERS !!

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Fuzzy Thunderbear

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Actually, Fuzzy, I'm not at the high end. While I do most of my vaping in Subtanks, I almost never go higher than 20 watts (25 max)--and usually stick between 12-14 watts, even on a 0.5-ohm coil.
Erroneous assumption on my part... It has become "the norm" to assume that a person who uses sub-Ohm tanks is usually using higher Watts, but that is now obviously not true. Maybe we need a full house survey. Hey @glassmanoak , you might want to get in on this because I suspect the results could boost your business. (and go back and read the previous posts in this particular contest thread by @angelphyre @greasegizzard etc.) And maybe the survey needs to be kept private (e.g., on your web site as opposed to open to all ECFers) because then you would have access to the results and other vendors would not. Here's the suggestion: Get everyone to state what flavors they vape at what heat level (be that Watts or TC level), then make a chart of those results, such as (and this sample is totally made up just to be used as a thought experiment):

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Assuming everyone would report what flavors they vape at what Watts and you made such a chart, you would then have a guide as to which flavors you can combine for the best tasting juices on the planet and thereby improve your business. I have noticed in some juices that combine multiple flavors, that some don't come through at the same temperatures. That is, the above charts would tell you to never combine Blueberries and Custard because you need low Watts to get full flavor out of the berry but higher Watts to get full flavor from the custard. We assume because we can have that combination for an edible dessert and taste both that we can do the same thing with vaping, and clearly that is not true. In that particular combination, the reviews say, "The berries popped in my mouth, but the custard was way too distant" (or something like that), but the reviewer seldom tells you she was doing it at 10W instead of 40W. If you then market your products to specific vaper types (tootle puffers, modwompers, cloud chuckers) you might also be able to reduce the percentages of flavors required. My wife has discovered in her DIY experiments that she can cut the flavor percentages in half if she vapes at a temperature that brings out that particular flavor. That is, if she is making a juice for me (e.g., butterscotch cupcakes), she has to use twice the cupcake flavoring in order for me to taste it because I vape the butterscotch at lower Watts. She can use less for herself because she uses higher Watts (and she doesn't do butterscotch, so she doesn't care that that flavor would go away with too much heat). Does that make sense? Is it worth your effort?

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Erroneous assumption on my part... It has become "the norm" to assume that a person who uses sub-Ohm tanks is usually using higher Watts, but that is now obviously not true. Maybe we need a full house survey. Hey @glassmanoak , you might want to get in on this because I suspect the results could boost your business. (and go back and read the previous posts in this particular contest thread by @angelphyre @greasegizzard etc.) And maybe the survey needs to be kept private (e.g., on your web site as opposed to open to all ECFers) because then you would have access to the results and other vendors would not. Here's the suggestion: Get everyone to state what flavors they vape at what heat level (be that Watts or TC level), then make a chart of those results, such as (and this sample is totally made up just to be used as a thought experiment):

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Assuming everyone would report what flavors they vape at what Watts and you made such a chart, you would then have a guide as to which flavors you can combine for the best tasting juices on the planet and thereby improve your business. I have noticed in some juices that combine multiple flavors, that some don't come through at the same temperatures. That is, the above charts would tell you to never combine Blueberries and Custard because you need low Watts to get full flavor out of the berry but higher Watts to get full flavor from the custard. We assume because we can have that combination for an edible dessert and taste both that we can do the same thing with vaping, and clearly that is not true. In that particular combination, the reviews say, "The berries popped in my mouth, but the custard was way too distant" (or something like that), but the reviewer seldom tells you she was doing it at 10W instead of 40W. If you then market your products to specific vaper types (tootle puffers, modwompers, cloud chuckers) you might also be able to reduce the percentages of flavors required. My wife has discovered in her DIY experiments that she can cut the flavor percentages in half if she vapes at a temperature that brings out that particular flavor. That is, if she is making a juice for me (e.g., butterscotch cupcakes), she has to use twice the cupcake flavoring in order for me to taste it because I vape the butterscotch at lower Watts. She can use less for herself because she uses higher Watts (and she doesn't do butterscotch, so she doesn't care that that flavor would go away with too much heat). Does that make sense? Is it worth your effort?
Makes perfect sense to me Fuzzy.....but I think what GMO has done is actually create flavors that taste good using TC....He experimented with them until they were right.....it also depends on how much PG/VG is used in the juice @ 40W.....the Nic level also changes it.........too many variables I think to keep track of....
( I need to have 80% VG/20 PG)

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Erroneous assumption on my part... It has become "the norm" to assume that a person who uses sub-Ohm tanks is usually using higher Watts, but that is now obviously not true. Maybe we need a full house survey. Hey @glassmanoak , you might want to get in on this because I suspect the results could boost your business. (and go back and read the previous posts in this particular contest thread by @angelphyre @greasegizzard etc.) And maybe the survey needs to be kept private (e.g., on your web site as opposed to open to all ECFers) because then you would have access to the results and other vendors would not. Here's the suggestion: Get everyone to state what flavors they vape at what heat level (be that Watts or TC level), then make a chart of those results, such as (and this sample is totally made up just to be used as a thought experiment):

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Assuming everyone would report what flavors they vape at what Watts and you made such a chart, you would then have a guide as to which flavors you can combine for the best tasting juices on the planet and thereby improve your business. I have noticed in some juices that combine multiple flavors, that some don't come through at the same temperatures. That is, the above charts would tell you to never combine Blueberries and Custard because you need low Watts to get full flavor out of the berry but higher Watts to get full flavor from the custard. We assume because we can have that combination for an edible dessert and taste both that we can do the same thing with vaping, and clearly that is not true. In that particular combination, the reviews say, "The berries popped in my mouth, but the custard was way too distant" (or something like that), but the reviewer seldom tells you she was doing it at 10W instead of 40W. If you then market your products to specific vaper types (tootle puffers, modwompers, cloud chuckers) you might also be able to reduce the percentages of flavors required. My wife has discovered in her DIY experiments that she can cut the flavor percentages in half if she vapes at a temperature that brings out that particular flavor. That is, if she is making a juice for me (e.g., butterscotch cupcakes), she has to use twice the cupcake flavoring in order for me to taste it because I vape the butterscotch at lower Watts. She can use less for herself because she uses higher Watts (and she doesn't do butterscotch, so she doesn't care that that flavor would go away with too much heat). Does that make sense? Is it worth your effort?

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That's an interesting idea, Fuzzy, but I'm not sure it holds up across the board for flavors. Back in the day when I still thought I might like chocolate-type flavors, I tried several. One vendor's chocolate flavor tasted fantastic at higher wattages, but anemic and fake at lower temps, while another's chocolate flavor was much more tolerable at lower wattages, but quickly shifted to burnt even by only going up a little. I like the observation about flavoring percentages relative to temperature--I just think that it may create a nightmare of second-guessing when mixing flavors. Ultimately, it could mean throwing out pre-determined recipes and working off a chart to determine how much of this and how little of that to add to the blend. :confused:
 

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I think that's what I am talking about Count...I also have my ADV....Cotton candy.....and even though it's simple (1 flavor mix) after trying if from just about every vendor they are not the same....some are really bad.....it's the brand of flavor they use along with the nic brand.....it might even be the PG brand that makes it different....I only have 2 vendors I can buy it from that are similar and IMO good......
GMO's Marshmallow is also like this.....I have tried many different kinds....and this is the one I like(they all taste different)...and the Extra is really good for my TC tank.....at 40W -----450*f............
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I just think that it may create a nightmare of second-guessing when mixing flavors. Ultimately, it could mean throwing out pre-determined recipes and working off a chart to determine how much of this and how little of that to add to the blend.
Valid observation - maybe this idea is only good for individual DIY. It could be a nightmare of inventory for a business to stock all the possible variations. Then again, IF that business were focused on made-to-order custom juices.... well...

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Valid observation - maybe this idea is only good for individual DIY. It could be a nightmare of inventory for a business to stock all the possible variations. Then again, IF that business were focused on made-to-order custom juices.... well...
Agreed..........and there are places that do that....GMO makes a special blend for me.....mostly because I have been with him since the beginning.....I tried some of the others and they made me cough....I learned from trial & error that I need 80VG/20 mix.....there is little room for change with that....it's one of the first things I found out when I began vaping....if there is too much PG I get sick....
In terms of smoking it's like this...........I used to smoke Marlboro light 100's so everyone should smoke those also(right?).....but that's not going to happen.....so there Marlboro Red's, light's, ultra lights, menthol, 100's.......there are too many variables......
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Makes perfect sense to me Fuzzy.....but I think what GMO has done is actually create flavors that taste good using TC....He experimented with them until they were right.....it also depends on how much PG/VG is used in the juice @ 40W.....the Nic level also changes it.........too many variables I think to keep track of....
( I need to have 80% VG/20 PG)

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Absolutely right, there are so many variables, especially those that are out of the juicemakers control. Individual gear selection, wattage, wire types, wicking material, air flow, steeping etc. All a juicemaker can do is present their interpretation of a flavor and refine their "style". I think the best juicemakers make several juices well, but they usually have that one or two flavors that are their signature and unique to them. I think GMO has that with Banyan Tree(and variants). He has a bunch of great flavors but Banyan Tree is "his" flavor.

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I think I am going to take some time today & later this week to see what I can do about this updating stuff.....I sure hate to leave google chrome....but if I have to I will.....and ideas on what I could/should do would be appreciated...
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Laundry was folded and put away a long time ago. After that, I planted a new plant, ate breakfast and built two new-to-me bf atties.
Now, it's movies for the rest of the day. :pop:

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I think I am going to take some time today & later this week to see what I can do about this updating stuff.....I sure hate to leave google chrome....but if I have to I will.....and ideas on what I could/should do would be appreciated...
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Sorry to hear about the issues you're having, that's always so frustrating. I'm hoping you get it figured out soon! :)

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Sorry to hear about the issues you're having, that's always so frustrating. I'm hoping you get it figured out soon! :)
Me too.....they told me that it was only going to stop for windows 7....but now they changed their minds and are not going to do vista also......so I am not sure what to do.....I am contemplating a new laptop.....but I love this thing...we get along (most of the time) and I know how to fix things....not saying I can't learn a new toy....but there is an expense with that.....so I will have to see....it will take some investigating to see what's best to do....
 

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I think I am going to take some time today & later this week to see what I can do about this updating stuff.....I sure hate to leave google chrome....but if I have to I will.....and ideas on what I could/should do would be appreciated...
Me too.....they told me that it was only going to stop for windows 7....but now they changed their minds and are not going to do vista also......so I am not sure what to do.....
Umm.... what updating are you talking about? Chrome runs fine on Windows 7 and will presumably continue to do so until 2020 (end of support by Microsoft). Vista was the OS before Win7... did you mean XP instead of Win7?

As far as what you could/should do depends on what you currently have and what you need to do. For most people (who browse the web and use email and little else), I'd actually suggest a Chromebook. The one we picked up for our kids was, by all accounts, the most basic entry-level model one could buy, but I've been quite pleased with it: fast, connectivity is rock-solid, easy to use...
 
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