GLASSMANOAK'S Contest Thread #129 for WINNERS and with MULTIPLE WINNERS !!

[Fuzzy Thunderbear]

1/31 #3

GMO has that with Banyan Tree(and variants). He has a bunch of great flavors but Banyan Tree is "his" flavor.

Sorry if it seems that I can't leave this alone, even though I agree with you and Count and Blue about too many variables. I have never tried Banyan Tree, so my question is (still), does it taste better vaped at low or high Watts? That, my friends, is the basis of my whole discussion on this subject. I vape between 10-20W and I am not going to go out and buy a new $30 sub-Ohm tank just to try a different flavor. The vendor -- IF possible -- could put that info in the ad on his website, then the customers could purchase with a greater degree of confidence and there wouldn't be negative reviews (well, except for the Dodos who make coils from paper clips and use newspaper for wicks and burn everything including their eyebrows, then claim the juice wasn't good).

 

[KatzWh1skers]

1/31 #1
Last Day of January ...already ....wow.
Still optimizing the 'puter ...so I'm waaaaay behind in reading and commenting
Hooooo-boy this makes me want to download the new Windows 10 ....(NOT!) ...least not today ....I done had my fill of computer geeking for a while ....But Fuzzy,...I will say this ...

1/30 #3
If you don't want that silly orange sleeve, I understand Katz is collecting them to use as shoes or something...

...that's right ....I'd look pretty funny walking around with just one smelly ugly orange "shoe", now wouldn't I .......

 

[tiggerrts]

Did you get my text this morning?

Nope, but just got it.....

 

[CountBoredom]

Sorry if it seems that I can't leave this alone, even though I agree with you and Count and Blue about too many variables. I have never tried Banyan Tree, so my question is (still), does it taste better vaped at low or high Watts? That, my friends, is the basis of my whole discussion on this subject. I vape between 10-20W and I am not going to go out and buy a new $30 sub-Ohm tank just to try a different flavor. The vendor -- IF possible -- could put that info in the ad on his website, then the customers could purchase with a greater degree of confidence and there wouldn't be negative reviews (well, except for the Dodos who make coils from paper clips and use newspaper for wicks and burn everything including their eyebrows, then claim the juice wasn't good).

Well, I suppose the easy answer would be that GMO developed all (or almost all) of his flavors--excluding the "Extra" versions of same--prior to the whole sub-ohming craze. We're talking 2013, I believe, when egos and vivi novas were the baseline for many vapers and the Vamo v2 was a high-end regulated mod. Sure, there was the sub-ohming crowd with their mechs, but "cloud-chasing" liquids did not really exist. Most things were measured in volts back then, too, so making a comparison with wattage is highly dependent on a coil's resistence: most were running 1.0-2.5 ohms, with high wattage running at about 15-20 watts. Back then, too, the PG/VG ratio was also of concern, since too much VG could be detrimental to top-wicking clearos as well as cartomizers.

This is why you see many vendors mentioning "Cloud-chaser" or "Sub-ohm" (or, in GMO's case, "EXTRA") for their liquids: they want people to know that those juices were designed for those tanks in mind. Absence of such a notice should, I would think, indicate that the liquid works well for non sub-ohmers.

 

[Roadtrip635]

1/31 #3

Sorry if it seems that I can't leave this alone, even though I agree with you and Count and Blue about too many variables. I have never tried Banyan Tree, so my question is (still), does it taste better vaped at low or high Watts? That, my friends, is the basis of my whole discussion on this subject. I vape between 10-20W and I am not going to go out and buy a new $30 sub-Ohm tank just to try a different flavor. The vendor -- IF possible -- could put that info in the ad on his website, then the customers could purchase with a greater degree of confidence and there wouldn't be negative reviews (well, except for the Dodos who make coils from paper clips and use newspaper for wicks and burn everything including their eyebrows, then claim the juice wasn't good).

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1/31 #4
Some flavors hold up better to higher watts than others, some don't and some change for the better, worse or just different. The problem is that flavor is very subjective. I have some flavors I don't like at higher watts, but have a friend that does. I have some flavors I love at higher and lower wattage, but the taste changes, different ingredients come out at different temps. I have seen a couple juice makers place recommended wattages for their juices and many do state something about sub-ohming.

Often, it has nothing to do with the wattage a flavor is vaped at more about the flavor profile, even in "simple" flavors. Something as simple and common as strawberry is different at every juice maker, there's some I don't like but others do and has zero to do with the watts I vape at. More often than not, it's about the juice makers style and recipes that do or don't appeal to someone.

 

[rangerrobin]

Nope, but just got it.....

 

[greasegizzard]

1/31 #2
Plus, with all the different equipment out there now, the flavor profile on each coil can be totally different at the same settings. Take the TFV4 for example...something like 11 different coil assemblies for that, plus a dual, single, triple, and clapton rba deck. Even in TC mode, from what I've read your flavor profile can vary greatly from Ni200 to Ti to SS. I think it is a neat idea to try to label them for specific types of vapers, but it might be better to just add required fields in to the reviews to cover type they of coil and wattage or temp.

 

[angelphyre]

1/31
3. Dinner was good, baked potatoes stuffed with BBQ, but I'm soooo stuffed now...gonna go relax for a bit before I have to head home.

 

[tiggerrts]

1/31 - 5: Took a nap, probably not a good idea.

 

[Fuzzy Thunderbear]

1/31 #4

I'm gonna let go of this now with one final comment: I know of a couple juice makers whose descriptions of the juice contain words like "OK at low watts, but really pops in an RDA!" Obviously they have tested their juices from both ends and the middle and have no negative reviews that I am aware of. I think this Tree Family would all like to see GMO become a world-class supplier and I think we should try to help him get there. Any other ideas you guys might have?

 

[CountBoredom]

I'm gonna let go of this now with one final comment: I know of a couple juice makers whose descriptions of the juice contain words like "OK at low watts, but really pops in an RDA!" Obviously they have tested their juices from both ends and the middle and have no negative reviews that I am aware of. I think this Tree Family would all like to see GMO become a world-class supplier and I think we should try to help him get there. Any other ideas you guys might have?

I certainly don't have any tonight... but I am proud to at least be able to say (after not being in any condition to for several days), Good night, Treefam!

 

[liblue1]

I too am going to say good night Treefam.......

 

[rangerrobin]

@angelphyre - Safe travels home!

 

[greasegizzard]

1/31 #3
Maybe something like you're suggesting would be easier with TC mode instead of wattage? I would think some flavors, like cinnamon roll or bakery type flavors, would probaby be a little less susceptible to the subjective nature of flavor. Meaning, most people would probably like them at warmer temps, while cereal or drink or fruit flavors would be more popular at cooler settings. I know that's pretty much what you're suggesting with wattage, but can't the temperature a certain wattage puts out vary greatly depending on the setup you're using?

1/31 #4

I'm gonna let go of this now with one final comment: I know of a couple juice makers whose descriptions of the juice contain words like "OK at low watts, but really pops in an RDA!" Obviously they have tested their juices from both ends and the middle and have no negative reviews that I am aware of. I think this Tree Family would all like to see GMO become a world-class supplier and I think we should try to help him get there. Any other ideas you guys might have?

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[rangerrobin]

Good Night / G'Mornin' and Good Vibes Tree Fam!

 

[KatzWh1skers]

1/31 #2
Goodnight January ...
...and goodnight TreeFam

 

[tiggerrts]

1/31 #2
Goodnight January ...
...and goodnight TreeFam

1/31 - 6: Love it; good night January........

 

[KatzWh1skers]

1/31 #3
...(hello Mr ground hog )

 

[angelphyre]

1/31
4. Well made it home safely...and only drizzled on me part of the way, so in all wasn't a bad trip home. Now to get my coffee set up for the morning and try to relax for a little bit before bed...G'night Treefam!

 

[Fuzzy Thunderbear]

1/31 #5

can't the temperature a certain wattage puts out vary greatly depending on the setup you're using?

Most assuredly. For a given coil resistance, a certain wattage will create a certain temperature, although in a non-TC mod, that varies slightly with voltage pulses, etc. But, as you and a few others implied, most people have different hardware they are using. Even if (HUGE IF) everyone were to use the same tank, many would use different coils. I have 2.5, 1.8, 1.5 and 0.5 that all fit in the same tank. Each will produce different temperatures and, therefore, different tastes for any given juice. And, as someone else suggested, Capella's strawberry flavor is different than The Flavor Apprentice, etc., so depending on who the juice maker gets his flavors from, the same wattage in the same tank with the same coil can produce different flavors. But, as a hasty generalization, it is still fair to say "this one is good at low watts (low temp) and not at high watts" without being overly specific. There must be a thousand flavors out there from several hundred vendors and I'd like to taste them all, but I would be a lot more comfortable if I had even an inkling that this would taste good in my preferred vaping range. Did that make sense, or am I blathering?