Glycerine/Glycol And Teeth/Gum Threat?

[Scooter Bob]

I posted this is another thread, but feel it deserves more exposure, so here it is at the top.

I have just spent a lot of time reading about tooth regeneration, tooth looseness and causes of gum disease, and one of the things repeatedly warned against was glycerine, which is added to most toothpastes. Glycerine supposedly leaves a coating on the tooth and pushes away the gum line. I've been vaping for about 4 months, using PG based juice, and draw off of the right side of my mouth, now I notice that I have more recession of the gum line on those teeth right in line with the vapor during draw. Another thing brought up again and again is the drying out conditions in the mouth causing gum hygiene to suffer, and we all know that vaping does dehydrate you. As much as I hate to ask a counter productive question about vaping, "Is it attacking out teeth and gums, especially the VG base?" If so, is there methods to counteract whatever dings the vapor might inflict?

I know it's a bad time to be suggesting anything but the positive of vaping and health, but I had to ask this question. Bob

 

[Darmeen]

drink more water (flushes the mouth of the glycerine and hydrates the body) and brush three times a day...it is proven that stimulating the gums while brushing helps keep the gumline from receeding and will take care of the buildup of glycerine on the teeth.

 

[Scooter Bob]

I'm "drinking" most all the time I vape here at the PC, and lots of other places as well. It was the discussions I read about the harms of even glycerine within many simple tooth pastes as a no-no(go figure!) along with a loosening tooth and receding gume line, that caused me to wonder about filtering glycol and glycerine through the mouth and teeth. As I read the deal, brushing with toothpaste in itself deposits glycerine, and the recommendations was to replace toothpaste with actual soap amongst other things!

I get tons of liquids, believe me. SB

 

[edebran]

Personally I put the cart between my teeth and inhale directly so I am not worried about receding gum tissue. But I also drink PLEANTY of water each day and brush twice daily.

 

[Scooter Bob]

Personally I put the cart between my teeth and inhale directly so I am not worried about receding gum tissue. But I also drink PLEANTY of water each day and brush twice daily.

My point is, that the hygiene threads concerning teeth and gum health reflect that even toothpaste with glycerine content is causing trouble in itself, and THAT IS only 5-10 minutes a day. If we vape hours all day, what's that do? Sorry for being persistent, but it dearly needs somebody's liberal thoughts as to what can be happening over all. It ain't as simple as drinking a lot or brushing the teeth several times of the day, WHICH ALMOST nobody will do in practice. It is all about the consistent hammering the teeth and gums get with the baseline vapor content of glycerine or glycol, if it is indeed destructive to dental hygiene. That is my simple question. I could brush 5 times a day and puff unleaded gasoline, and help...but that's not what the question is all about here. It is glycerine and the derivitives, of glycerine, and how the constant environment to the teeth and gum line is effected. If there are some veteran vapers, who do a ton of vaping all day long, who have nor dental complications...I'd welcome a testimonial or two. Bob

 

[Turbo]

Hey Bob, you may have come across this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/42339-dental-gums.html

There's a dentist on there that vapes, 'steel23'. You may send him a PM? I don't think anyone knows the long term effects for sure but he may be the best person to help sort out any concerns you have.

 

[Archer]

My brother in law is a Periodontist, I'll ask him about it when I see him. I would recommend Crest Pro Health, kills bacteria which is the biggest threat and as a bonus cleans atty's quite well too.

 

[Scooter Bob]

Hey Bob, you may have come across this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/42339-dental-gums.html

There's a dentist on there that vapes, 'steel23'. You may send him a PM? I don't think anyone knows the long term effects for sure but he may be the best person to help sort out any concerns you have.

Thanks. I'd welcome that PM. Bob

 

[seminolewind]

It seems like there's alot of dental products out there with glycerin in them. Hard to get away from it.
But being I started that other gum thread, I still have concerns. Gums receding, gingivitis, decay, teeth breaking, -makes me wonder if it's ecigs, dry mouth, or age, or even neglect, -or a combination of all.

Last week my dentist told me I have a spot of decay on an area of a tooth that's really rare. (can't remember which one)

Maybe it's something we all need to keep track of, and if need be, figure out how to deal with it.

 

[seminolewind]

Well, as far as glycerin goes, it sucks moisture out of the skin and traps it unless it's in 65% humidity or more. So I'm figuring that glycerin isn't really doing much to teeth and gums.
Another thing I read was that glycerin can loosen fillings or leech fillings. But that hasn't been proven at all.

 

[steel23]

It was the discussions I read about the harms of even glycerine within many simple tooth pastes as a no-no(go figure!) along with a loosening tooth and receding gume line, that caused me to wonder about filtering glycol and glycerine through the mouth and teeth. As I read the deal, brushing with toothpaste in itself deposits glycerine, and the recommendations was to replace toothpaste with actual soap amongst other things!
SB

Hi everyone. Dr Steel23 here.
I just found this thread and would like to comment. As in all medical fields, there is often a large discrepancy between the "holistic approaches" and true evidence-based clinical practice.

The information you have been reading is, unfortunately, anecdotal at best and drivel at worst. The man with the PhD who preaches it is a joke who I'd guess holds stock in the soap that he wants you to brush with.

Glycerin in toothpaste does NOT recede your gumline or ruin your teeth. Nor does it leach fillings or loosen teeth. Glycerin in oral products is used mainly for its lubricating properties with no ill effect. As one small example, my oral surgeon colleague and I often treat radiation patients suffering extreme dry mouth due to a complete loss of their salivary gland function. We supplement their treatment with a water/glycerine mixture and combined with proper hygiene, their oral improvement is rapid.

But glycerin is not the demon you believe it to be. Your loosening tooth and receding gum line are from other problems. See your dentist.

On the suggest of vaping, I can’t give you long-term data because there is none. I am also unaware that vaping would dehydrate you. But if you insist on vaping and find that it dries your mouth severely, ask your dentist for a bottle of Biotene (which coincidentally, also has PG in it) and rinse with it periodically. It won't hurt you.

Hope this helps.
Steel23

 

[Mentholgirl]

I just looked of VG on Wikepedia and found some interesting facts:
A quote from wikepedia :
Although it has about the same food energy as table sugar, it does not raise blood sugar levels, nor does it feed the bacteria that form plaques and cause dental cavities

It can be used orally to eliminate halitosis, as it is a contact bacterial desiccant.[Needs footnote.] The same property makes it very helpful with periodontal disease; it penetrates biofilm quickly and eliminates bacterial colonies.[Needs footnote.]

Well that sounds like good news, it helps with bad breath and periodontal disease and helps eliminate bacteria!!

 

[Paranoyed]

Also from what I have read you should be more concerned about soft drinks. I drink plenty of water and I use the Purple Listerine twice daily to kill any bacteria in my mouth and throat. It helps with the dry itchy throat as well.

 

[Shining Wit]

I posted this is another thread, but feel it deserves more exposure, so here it is at the top.

I have just spent a lot of time reading about tooth regeneration, tooth looseness and causes of gum disease, and one of the things repeatedly warned against was glycerine, which is added to most toothpastes. Glycerine supposedly leaves a coating on the tooth and pushes away the gum line. I've been vaping for about 4 months, using PG based juice, and draw off of the right side of my mouth, now I notice that I have more recession of the gum line on those teeth right in line with the vapor during draw. Another thing brought up again and again is the drying out conditions in the mouth causing gum hygiene to suffer, and we all know that vaping does dehydrate you. As much as I hate to ask a counter productive question about vaping, "Is it attacking out teeth and gums, especially the VG base?" If so, is there methods to counteract whatever dings the vapor might inflict?

I know it's a bad time to be suggesting anything but the positive of vaping and health, but I had to ask this question. Bob

You've answered your own question......you said that Glycerine can damage gums but that you've been vaping Propylene Glycol based liquid for 4 months so either you CAN have your cake and eat it OR it's the worry that's making your teeth drop out!8-o
John.

 

[MissVapor]

I was watching Dr Oz the other day and he was showing people who smoked crystal .... and how all there teeth were falling out. (.... mouths) He said the reasoning behind it was b/c the .... was drying out their mouths... I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing started happening with glycerin or pg..

 

[steel23]

I was watching Dr Oz the other day and he was showing people who smoked crystal .... and how all there teeth were falling out. (.... mouths) He said the reasoning behind it was b/c the .... was drying out their mouths... I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing started happening with glycerin or pg..

I treat .... mouth regularly. It is a terribly devastating condition and occurs for many reasons.
No, the same does not happen due to glycerin or PG. As I mentioned several posts ago, these products are placed in oral care products to help moisturize and lubricate your mouth.

Dr. Steel23

 

[Kurt]

I treat .... mouth regularly. It is a terribly devastating condition and occurs for many reasons.
No, the same does not happen due to glycerin or PG. As I mentioned several posts ago, these products are placed in oral care products to help moisturize and lubricate your mouth.

Dr. Steel23

Many thanks for your comments Steel23! We need more professional medical/dental opinions here, for sure. Just before I started vaping I thought I had a tooth wanting to come out, or with some sort of gum issue. That is all healed now after vaping for 2 months or so. In fact, MANY things throughout my body are healing now that were problems before.

I use VG only juices, and if anything the VG is moisturizing my mouth, not drying it out. PG, OTOH, does dry my mouth out a lot...or it seemed to when I was using it, but I only used it a few times before I switched to VG.

I'm sure the .... issue is a far more complicated and systemic problem than topical VG or PG. Much gets screwed up physiologically with ..... Users often get awful sores on their faces too.

 

[thewomenfolk]

Can we please try to avoid using the term 'dentist' here. It makes my teeth cringe. 8-o

 

[BlueSun]

My dentist* wasn't pleased with my e-cig when I told him it had PG in it.

* Sorry, thewomenfolk!

 

[Vaporista]

Is there a necessity for increased oral care because the mouthpiece introduces more bacteria -much more so than analogs and unlike pipe smokers, vapers tend to use the mouthpiece for far longer periods so combined with PG are we in fact getting more bacteria into the mouth?I guess what I am trying to say is do we need to clean our teeth more often now that we vape and do we need to soak mouthpieces in a disinfect solution when these are not being used?- like overnight,