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[salemgold]

I am DONE biting my tongue , it ....ing HURTS from all this .... , If I get reprimanded then so be it , they cannot hurt my business anymore than they already have !! a 70-80 % loss in sales sense the post from Rolygate on the front page.

I should just sell crack pipes , I would be better off actually.

I am sorry for you, Mike. I have seen what is being said and only hope that people will take the time to learn a little more about the matter before deciding that all tube mods with stacked batteries are not safe I also hope that the thousands? (at least hundreds) of us out here that have been using a Buzz for years without having a single incident will be a testament to the safety of your mods.

 

[LordDavon]

I am sorry for you, Mike. I have seen what is being said and only hope that people will take the time to learn a little more about the matter before deciding that all tube mods with stacked batteries are not safe I also hope that the thousands? (at least hundreds) of us out here that have been using a Buzz for years without having a single incident will be a testament to the safety of your mods.

Well said!

 

[BuzzKill]

I am sorry for you, Mike. I have seen what is being said and only hope that people will take the time to learn a little more about the matter before deciding that all tube mods with stacked batteries are not safe I also hope that the thousands? (at least hundreds) of us out here that have been using a Buzz for years without having a single incident will be a testament to the safety of your mods.

Thanks Salem ! and yes it is in the multiple thousands now with NO failures like that.

 

[Big Screen D]

GD. I seen two pages of activity in this thread and thought we had some news. Hate it that it's bad news.

So sorry for you guys as I know this situation is a big big problem.

 

[sppowers]

Project CANNED for now !! ECF RULES my design and product line

I am kinda confused, do they have some say in what you create, like fund you guys or something? or is it just that they talk smack about stacked tube mods and give you unfair and bad publicity? I don't mean to sound rude, far from it, I am just wondering why ECF dictates anything to you at all.

 

[Bovinia]

Right now it is a lot of unfair publicity about stacking batteries because of the recent accidents with stacked battery explosions. People are afraid to use them The unfair part is that what was posted as "Safety guidelines" on the Forum Announcements is not telling the whole truth about PVs that have multiple layers of safety features built into the products.

 

[LordDavon]

Actually, I can see ECF threaten to pull suppliers who sell stacked battery mods. I think they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they took that route, and it would be an extreme action, but I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[Bovinia]

Ya know, the more I think about this the more it pisses me off! I didn't see suppliers get pulled over the incidences of bad nicotine in spite of the test proof. And anyone who's been here for at least a year should remember the big monster Diacetyl debate. Several suppliers went as far as to outright lie about that and...nada repercussions.

The safety diacetyl is still debatable, but the bad batches of nicotine sure as hell weren't!

 

[salemgold]

Thanks Salem ! and yes it is in the multiple thousands now with NO failures like that.

I knew that it had to be

 

[salemgold]

I am kinda confused, do they have some say in what you create, like fund you guys or something? or is it just that they talk smack about stacked tube mods and give you unfair and bad publicity? I don't mean to sound rude, far from it, I am just wondering why ECF dictates anything to you at all.

When ECF makes statements like they have, it gives folks the impression that all mods using stacked batteries are unsafe. That is not good for business for the folks like Mike that know what they are doing and take extra steps to make their mods safe.

 

[markfm]

That is the screwy part, since notcigs safety features, both electronic and mechanical, are a clean mapping. It should be "if you want to stack, you should...", which is what notcigs pv already do.(current limiting design to not over stress lower mah batts, positive open circuit on too high draw, symmetric vents, blowout plug).

 

[Ruppy]

The worst part is that there is just as much if not MORE risk of their cell phone, laptop, or cordless drill blowing up as any PV. I challenge anyone doubting the safety of series li-ion batteries to look around their house and realize what else they own that has series li-ion batts in it.

 

[markfm]

Things including my high output power tool lithium battery packs.

 

[LordDavon]

As a reviewer, I have the power to influence hundreds to thousands of people. They trust me to give an honest and informed view of all the products that I review, and the items I compare them against. I take this responsibility seriously with every review that I perform, as I always will.

I know that what happened to these people are tragic and unfortunate things. My heart goes out to them, and I hope that we all can learn from these tragedies, so they weren't in vain. We are now well alerted to the dangers of using stacked, unprotected batteries in an unprotected, and poorly designed tube mod.

That being said, I will continue to recommend the Infinity Pro, to everyone and anyone vaping. It will continue to be the best example of how to build a PV. I will always feel safe when using it. And, it will still be the one VV PV that all VV mods are compared against.

 

[pnc81498]

I started reading the post vaping my ipro and i didn't put it down when i finished it might be a slow process but people need to be educated with all the facts not just scare tactics. If your reading this and debating 1 of mikes products feel confident he has done allot to keep us safe and that info is easy to find...

 

[cosmic charlie]

Ya know, the more I think about this the more it pisses me off! I didn't see suppliers get pulled over the incidences of bad nicotine in spite of the test proof. And anyone who's been here for at least a year should remember the big monster Diacetyl debate. Several suppliers went as far as to outright lie about that and...nada repercussions.

The safety diacetyl is still debatable, but the bad batches of nicotine sure as hell weren't!

Would you please quit saying diacetyl!

sent from my ICS bionic

 

[LordDavon]

Would you please quit saying diacetyl!

sent from my ICS bionic

I agree. Every time I see that, I think of butter. Then I eat some!

Worst part is, I am serious. I am going to get a bagel.

 

[hificat101]

Actually, I can see ECF threaten to pull suppliers who sell stacked battery mods. I think they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they took that route, and it would be an extreme action, but I wouldn't put it past them.

The day they pull Mike from the ECF is the day that I will leave also.

 

[5cardstud]

The worst part is that there is just as much if not MORE risk of their cell phone, laptop, or cordless drill blowing up as any PV. I challenge anyone doubting the safety of series li-ion batteries to look around their house and realize what else they own that has series li-ion batts in it.

Really, just go read the top of your car battery and it's a lead acid. If you use things in a way they aren't intended you got no one to blame but your self.

 

[vikki59]

The day they pull Mike from the ECF is the day that I will leave also.

Yeppers!!!