GP Series by VapourArt - Official Thread for GP Spheroid, GP PAPS, X, GP Piccolo, GP SnP and more - Part 1

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No unserialized tubes. We discussed the whole thing a couple of weeks ago. Im pretty happy about it.

I also have done the same thing with mine and finally figured out why...you could have told me sooner!

im pretty good about it, i still cant beleive i can set a paps down unlocked without it firing so i still check it every so oftern.

maybe i got confused, serialised 350 tubes then? or did i dream that up?
 

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Very true but can be somewhat made up for in quality threading and tube mating.
I dont think I have ever been so disaapointed when I was sent my Nemesis. The drop wasnt what was claimed and the inserted threading which was clearly identified from the outside along with the tube seams were disturbing to me. I never used it once, just stared at it and mocked it with my GP mods before I sold it the next day.
It was a far cry from the quality they have produced. But, going to stick with what I love now.

Absolutely! I agree 100%. Precision machined threads that make contact across the maximum surface area and also plating the connections with non-oxidizing precious metals, both do a good job of mitigating the added resistance of a mechanical joint but they cannot eliminate it.
I'm not saying that a mod like the Nemesis is going to be a poor performer simply because it has a stacked tube design (from what I've seen and read, it's an outstanding performer). I'm saying that it would perform even better with a single tube design.
 

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im pretty good about it, i still cant beleive i can set a paps down unlocked without it firing so i still check it every so oftern.

maybe i got confused, serialised 350 tubes then? or did i dream that up?

Yes, as it stands Perseas has gone with the majority, and I was one. In a nutshell, imo I think non serial tubes will water the GP name down. As the number I get on any does not matter, having one kind of does. The number also may prevent a bit of theft and definately cloning issues for some. It adds a bit of class to the mod and is of some historical significance ot GP.
Having Perseas blessing and as you know, I, very soon will be regestering serial #'s on all GP devices on several forums (ECF, VW, UK and one in Greece)and am in touch with Arial about Wiki.
There are few mods that are as deserving and, GP and GG are are worthy of such recocnition. History is important especially with the gaining popularity of GP and our crazy friend Imeo :).
 
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We have to take into consideration our roadmap for the near future, after the GP PAPS X, GP Spheroid and GP SnP, we have to produce first a 22 mm GP Spheroid, the new GP Piccolo, the GP Perseas atomizer, and another 2 projects. The M21 threading is too thin for a 22 mm mod, though I keep your proposal for further examination. I cannot prioritise it in regards to the aforementioned projects, due to our limited number of CNC machines. But things change all the time :)

As for the 23 mm "wide" OD, give me some time to present the GP PAPS X and maybe you change your mind about what feels best in the hand. I speak from personal experience.

do your own thing perseas, as long as you keep doing that, you'll never dissappoint. Your mods continue to be my favorite (my gf made a rule that I/WE were not allowed to get more than one of any type of mod, that we wouldnt waste our money on stuff that wasnt quality and that we werent allowed more than 12 mods and 12 attys between the 2 of us. the fact that the paps is the only mod i have more than one of, 3 places that other mods could have taken :laugh: , says something... though one of those is designated my gf's) and thats partly bc there continues to be so much innovation. the paps 2.5 is pretty close to perfect, and the buttery and sturdy threads imo are a big part of that. thinner threads for the sake of adding the extensions that the papsX will have anyways would be a step back imo... and also I totally agree, a 23mm mod feels totally awesome in the hand, mojo's and imeo's are two of my faves.

What a great answer buddy. The PAPS has been very successful and the reason many of us are loyal to you and own many is because of the look, feel and construction. It is artful a beautiful mod yet so simple. It feels solid in the hand and is the perfect size for all. All of the parts work together in a way instruments do to make beautiful music.
You know some of the expensive mods I have owned and sold because they didnt feel right in the hand and I couldnt get over the look of a pieced together device. (one of them is the hottest Greek mods on the market and I had mine less than a day or two - didnt feel or look right). I can care less if voltage drop is amazing as if the rest is not appealing I dont want it. Voltage drop at some point does not matter anyway once it measures at a certain point. Even the best vapers can not tell the difference after certain level.

You and George keep doing what you do best, we know when you two are building/working it is to bring out the best of all worlds and not just one key part like many builders. This is why GP is so successful.
I still talk about how you and Imeo respect each other so much, I have talked to you both and there is great respect between you.
You also know that is one of the reasons I am loyal aside from the fact that you are a caring and good man. That means a lot these days.
You give ideas or suggest items to most builders and they ignore, don't listen or get mad. I've been down that road and so has another buddy of yours here (pita Kiba!).
Any way brother keep doin it and go tell George thank you also.
I actually like my nemesis but i have to admit the threads do feel very delicate, if I were to cross thread the switch I would probably ruin it.

Yes, as it stands Perseas has gone with the majority, and I was one. In a nutshell, imo I think non serial tubes will water the GP name down. As the number I get on any does not matter, having one kind of does. The number also may prevent a bit of theft and definately cloning issues for some. It adds a bit of class to the mod and is of some historical significance ot GP.
Having Perseas blessing and as you know, I, very soon will be regestering serial #'s on all GP devices on several forums (ECF, VW, UK and one in Greece)and am in touch with Arial about Wiki.
There are few mods that are as deserving and, GP and GG are are worthy of such recocnition. History is important especially with the gaining popularity of GP and our crazy friend Imeo :).

aggreed.... coming from someone who's had mods stolen, i'm not one of those people who thinks serials are stoopid.
 
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Absolutely! I agree 100%. Precision machined threads that make contact across the maximum surface area and also plating the connections with non-oxidizing precious metals, both do a good job of mitigating the added resistance of a mechanical joint but they cannot eliminate it.
I'm not saying that a mod like the Nemesis is going to be a poor performer simply because it has a stacked tube design (from what I've seen and read, it's an outstanding performer). I'm saying that it would perform even better with a single tube design.

In agreement 100%.
 

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So, will we be able buy upgraded 16mm Switches in Sep-13, or will it be 'only' 17mm runs hereon?
What I basically desire to know is: Should I purchase from the current stock of 16mm Piccolo Classic or No? B'coz, u've clearly moved away to wider horizons (with the 17mm ended Piccolo v3).

The redesigned GP Piccolo will have the Classic edition as a shape of the tube and the ends at 16 mm, yes.
 

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On a fresh 18350 battery, the GP Lux hits harder than any other mech I've tried and especially on a battery that small, other mods seem to sputter out of power pretty quickly while the Lux keeps packing a punch. That's all I really care about and while others are discussing the fine points of mech design, I'm happily vaping away enjoying my leisure time.

Keep doing what you're doing Perseas. You're doing it right whatever it is. Big thumbs up.
 

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The redesigned GP Piccolo will have the Classic edition as a shape of the tube and the ends at 16 mm, yes.

Pardon my confusion Perseas, but just to make sure since I was actually leaning towards getting a v3.1 piccolo. So Qorax will be able to upgrade his switch in Sept. if he gets the v2.6 since the redesigned piccolo will have the classic shape. If I get the v3.1 piccolo this next batch, will you offer upgraded 17mm piccolo switches in Sept? Or should I just get the 2.6 if I want to upgrade to the improved switch in the future?
 

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If the people here dont know, My Kibabro can get .15 voltage drop on a Snicker bar and vape the shti out of it :)

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It must be highly modded indeed :D
 

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Pardon my confusion Perseas, but just to make sure since I was actually leaning towards getting a v3.1 piccolo. So Qorax will be able to upgrade his switch in Sept. if he gets the v2.6 since the redesigned piccolo will have the classic shape. If I get the v3.1 piccolo this next batch, will you offer upgraded 17mm piccolo switches in Sept? Or should I just get the 2.6 if I want to upgrade to the improved switch in the future?

The GP Piccolo v2.6 and v3.1 will circulate possibly the next week, if all go well.
On September we shall redesign, not sell the next version, so no ETA yet for that. I haven't wrote about compatibility between the upcoming version and the future redesigned one. Actually, there is a strong possibility for incompatibility.

The v3.1 has a 17 mm switch.
The v2.6 has a 16 mm switch.

Both mods, 16 mm and 17 mm will be released for the last time having the current design of the switch, now, on July. They won't be available on September. I hope that I clarified the whole thing.
 
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The GP Piccolo v2.6 and v3.1 will circulate possibly the next week, if all go well.
On September we shall redesign, not sell the next version, so no ETA yet for that. I haven't wrote about compatibility between the upcoming version and the future redesigned one. Actually, there is a strong possibility for incompatibility.

The v3.1 is a 17 mm switch.
The v2.6 is a 16 mm switch.

Both mods, 16 mm and 17 mm will be released for the last time having the current design of the switch, now, on July. They won't be available on September. I hope that I clarified the whole thing.

Got it. Thanks for the response and clarification :)

I've never used a mechanical tube mod, much less one with a bottom switch. I'll probably think the upcoming 3.1 switch is awesome despite the fact that you're openly stating you want to redesigned it because it's not to your 100% satisfaction, lol. I also appreciate the honesty.
 
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thats something i just noticed recently when comparing the two, the strait tube one has a smaller switch.

alls i know is i highly reccomend the piccolo :)


perseas will my gf be able to get a new switch/will it thread into her tube (sounds dirty :shock: )
 
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The differences of the GP Piccolo v2.6 and 3.1 from the GP Piccolo v2.5 and v3 are:

1. 316 SS for the switch vs 303 SS.
2. Better machining precision.
3. No battery spring on the switch vs big battery spring on the switch.
4. Ability to accept EFEST, AW etc batteries vs only AW batteries.
5. Telescopic centre post vs steady post.
6. Bead blasted finish vs brushed/polished finish.
7. And whatever comes at the last moment as usually :D
 
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