GP Series by VapourArt - Official Thread for GP Spheroid, GP PAPS, X, GP Piccolo, GP SnP and more - Part 1

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@jonny5, I do the following build with my coil, and it makes it much easier. Sorry for the drawn-with-my-finger-on-my-iPad illustration, but hopefully it'll help.

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The black is the wire, the red is whatever drill bit, etc. on which you've wrapped your coil. The green are the posts on the deck of the Spheroid. Make sure you have one leg extending from each side of the drill bit.

Put the wire still on the drill bit between the posts. Make sure that the legs are coming from the bottom of the coil, as shown in the second drawing, and each leg is positioned to the left & right of the posts as shown in the first drawing. It's important to do it this way, as when you tighten the nuts, the wire won't unwrap from the posts.

Wrap the first wire around the first post & tighten the nut. Adjust the drill bit so that the coil is still in the center over the air hole, wrap & tighten the second wire. Double check the tightness of the nuts, & clip the tails.

Now you can use the drill bit to adjust the height of your coil above the air hole. At this point, I check my resistance, power it until it's hot, then squeeze the coil with a pair of needle nose. I wick it with Sugar n Cream cotton yarn, doubled, and trimmed to just touch the fluff.


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So I just tried another build with the coils built diagonally this time and the same 4 wraps 28g kanthal, 2 fold 2 mm silica at .74 ohms. It's a little better but still not a good taste. Maybe I need to up the ohms and use 30g silica, instead of 28g. Perhaps the higher heat 28g is heating the coils too fast for the best wicking for this type of device? What I mean is the heat of the coils is too fast for the liquid flow production coming from the liquid emerged in fluff. Btw, I'm noticing the body of the Spheroid heats up quite a lot. Is this typical?
 

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I wick it with Sugar n Cream cotton yarn, doubled, and trimmed to just touch the fluff.


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I just got my SnC yesterday and I've done one build in the Spheroid. I'm just looping one end and trimming the other. Are you saying there that you use four lose ends instead of one loop? Does that work better?
 

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So I just tried another build with the coils built diagonally this time and the same 4 wraps 28g kanthal, 2 fold 2 mm silica at .74 ohms. It's a little better but still not a good taste. Maybe I need to up the ohms and use 30g silica, instead of 28g. Perhaps the higher heat 28g is heating the coils too fast for the best wicking for this type of device? What I mean is the heat of the coils is too fast for the liquid flow production coming from the liquid emerged in fluff. Btw, I'm noticing the body of the Spheroid heats up quite a lot. Is this typical?

It's the low ohms heating up the body. Bring your ohms up, and this should demenish. We use the stock materials when setting up the Spheroid.
 

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It's the low ohms heating up the body. Bring your ohms up, and this should demenish. We use the stock materials when setting up the Spheroid.

I've found that 1.3 - 1.8 30g micros are my preferred vape with the Spheroid. 1.3 for a mech and 1.8 for my Provari / Lexi. Mmmmmm tasty.
 

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Thanks Akdare. I want to use silica at this point to get the flavour profile right. I do micro coil and cotton on my Kayfun, for example with great results. I probably prefer silica on this device because I don't want to have to worry about dry burns of the cotton, without a clear tank to know the juice level. I assume silica should also produce great flavour if built properly.

Here is a pic of my current setup with still poor flavour.

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Thanks Akdare. I want to use silica at this point to get the flavour profile right. I do micro coil and cotton on my Kayfun, for example with great results. I probably prefer silica on this device because I don't want to have to worry about dry burns of the cotton, without a clear tank to know the juice level. I assume silica should also produce great flavour if built properly.

Here is a pic of my current setup with still poor flavour.

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Raise the coil up. I lack the ability to draw a nice pic, but it appears that your coil is sitting way too low. Bring it up above the nuts ;)
 

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I just got my SnC yesterday and I've done one build in the Spheroid. I'm just looping one end and trimming the other. Are you saying there that you use four lose ends instead of one loop? Does that work better?

I tried the loop on one end first, but I found that trimming both (four loose ends) allowed me to tweak how the wick touches the fluff, plus I think the cut ends are more receptive to the juice in the fluff.


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Sure digitals. I'll raise it up but that's more of a draw and air flow issue and shouldn't necessarily effect the flavour, no? As a matter of fact with less air it should enhance the flavour. Btw, I find the draw is ok with the coils at that level.

I'm going to re-try again with the stock wire that came with the device. Plus I'll raise it up a little. Let's see if that helps.
 
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Raise the coil up. I lack the ability to draw a nice pic, but it appears that your coil is sitting way too low. Bring it up above the nuts ;)

I agree.

I don't bring mine up as high as digitals, maybe 2mm above the air hole. Also, looks like your tails might be too long. It's important that the ends just touch the fluff to wick correctly, in my experience.


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So I just tried another build with the coils built diagonally this time and the same 4 wraps 28g kanthal, 2 fold 2 mm silica at .74 ohms. It's a little better but still not a good taste. Maybe I need to up the ohms and use 30g silica, instead of 28g. Perhaps the higher heat 28g is heating the coils too fast for the best wicking for this type of device? What I mean is the heat of the coils is too fast for the liquid flow production coming from the liquid emerged in fluff. Btw, I'm noticing the body of the Spheroid heats up quite a lot. Is this typical?

Hey there jonny,

Congrats on getting your paps kit, I am sure we can work through your issues together with everyone here-so dont worry you are in good hands!!!

Perseas is amazing at sorting any problems!

I would advise you to pop into your local hardware store and get a set of allen keys, for the sake of $5-10 they are a handy tool to have and not just for vaping. If you want to buy just one it's 3mm for the spheroid. It makes life much easier when cleaning etc.

I am not familiar with Mothers Milk what is the VG/PG mix? Personally I use 100% VG and this seems to need lighter fill of fluff.

My personal golden rule for the filler is- LESS IS MORE! If you are getting dry hits remove the top after a few vapes, look at the wick and the bottom of the filler material if they are not wet take off the bell housing and if you have a juice logged bit in the middle of the filler-you have too much fluff. I also now trim about 5mm at 45deg off one corner of the filler and put this cut at the end towards the large end of the chimney(the build end) this keeps it a bit looser where the wicks sit.

As for you coil position- that diagram from akdare actually shows how I position mine really well, I find this keeps it all closer to the air hole for more flavour.

Make sure your wicks are only just long enough to touch the bottom of the filler, any more and this will cause wicking problems in my experience.

Lastly, I had a funny taste from my spheroid when it was brand new. I thought initially it was my builds, however it looks to have been a bit of grease etc within the base cap and parts. I took it all to pieces with the tool supplied then soaked/cleaned with hot soapy water (washing up liquid works great) then a good rinse in hot water. The taste was perfect after that for me. Probably worth a strip wash if you haven't already.

You will get this sorted and when you do, you will be so happy with your kit!!:D

I hope thats some help- I seem to be rambling today!


Yankeebob Thanks for actually reading all that!!
 

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Sure digitals. I'll raise it up but that's more of a draw and air flow issue and shouldn't necessarily effect the flavour, no? As a matter of fact with less air it should enhance the flavour. Btw, I find the draw is ok with the coils at that level.

I'm going to re-try again with the stock wire that came with the device. Plus I'll raise it up a little. Let's see if that helps.

Airflow & flavor go together. Try holding your nostrils and tasting something. Flavor is absent, or greatly diminished.


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I agree.

I don't bring mine up as high as digitals, maybe 2mm above the air hole. Also, looks like your tails might be too long. It's important that the ends just touch the fluff to wick correctly, in my experience.


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I agree as well, i find more than a 2-3mm above the airhole and it gets a bit harsh. I have been building it more like the kayfun-as close to the air hole as possible-usually around 1mm above. It seems to be to bring the flavour out more and less TH. If the draw is getting tight its nice and easy on the spheroid to whip the base off and lift the coil with a small screwdriver or similar.
 

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I agree as well, i find more than a 2-3mm above the airhole and it gets a bit harsh. I have been building it more like the kayfun-as close to the air hole as possible-usually around 1mm above. It seems to be to bring the flavour out more and less TH. If the draw is getting tight its nice and easy on the spheroid to whip the base off and lift the coil with a small screwdriver or similar.

Yep. I use the same coil on both my KFL+ & my Spheroid. Cotton ball on the KFL, and Lily's Sugar n Cream cotton yarn on the Spheroid.


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