GP Series by VapourArt - Official Thread for GP Spheroid, GP PAPS, X, GP Piccolo, GP SnP and more - Part 1

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1) The gap is halved. Reduces but remains.
2) No conductivity issues ~ it'd fire perfectly.

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There isn't a noticeable loss in conductivity.

The same happens in some configurations with Kick and a few IMR batteries inside the GP Paps v1 & v2, you have to remove the telescopic screw of the GP telescopic post v2.1 to avoid the gap. The situation was cured on v2.1 when we increased the length of the 18500 and 18650 tubes by 1 mm and then we developed the GP telescopic post v2.5 & v2.6 to cover all versions.
 

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There isn't a noticeable loss in conductivity.

The same happens in some configurations with Kick and a few IMR batteries inside the GP Paps v1 & v2, you have to remove the telescopic screw of the GP telescopic post v2.1 to avoid the gap. The situation was cured on v2.1 when we increased the length of the 18500 and 18650 tubes by 1 mm and then we developed the GP telescopic post v2.5 & v2.6 to cover all versions.

1) The gap is halved. Reduces but remains.
2) No conductivity issues ~ it'd fire perfectly.

Thanks guys. Maybe I'll order the kit and try my flat top EFEST 14500s , they're just a little shorter than the AW. We'll see.
 

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The ID of the caps's internal grooves is 0,8 mm and their width is 1,2 mm, so the O-rings can be compressed till to become flush with the lips of the grooves (by 0,2 mm from each side), permitting the insertion of a carto/rda up to 9,14 mm in thickness.

Thank you for this...I had no doubt that this would be the case...

I think what is in play is the direction of the force we must apply to get the carto/RBA into the SnP. The direction of the stress (the physics term, not the English definition) is not perpendicular to the cross section of the o-ring, it is shear stress, i.e., parallel to the o-ring. With some torsional stress due to the twisting of the carto. Since the o ring is only 1mm, I think the action of pushing in the carto is having the same effect as using a rolling pin on dough. It is pushing the dough (o-ring) ahead, and pinching the o-ring, hence the shredding.

Also, with Sophia, we must have a stiff ring on one end, and soft on the other. I have problems with both, but much worse with the brown rings.

Are there perhaps alternate o-rings to try that might be less frustrating?


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Thank you for this...I had no doubt that this would be the case...

I think what is in play is the direction of the force we must apply to get the carto/RBA into the SnP. The direction of the stress (the physics term, not the English definition) is not perpendicular to the cross section of the o-ring, it is shear stress, i.e., parallel to the o-ring. With some torsional stress due to the twisting of the carto. Since the o ring is only 1mm, I think the action of pushing in the carto is having the same effect as using a rolling pin on dough. It is pushing the dough (o-ring) ahead, and pinching the o-ring, hence the shredding.

Also, with Sophia, we must have a stiff ring on one end, and soft on the other. I have problems with both, but much worse with the brown rings.

Are there perhaps alternate o-rings to try that might be less frustrating?


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Most people have no issues with the current O-rings. If a simple Boge cartomizer can be inserted without shredding the O-rings to the point of leakage, then I wonder if your Sophia is slightly thicker. If this is not true, we can replace your SnP with a new one, just in case yours is out of specs.

On another note, your observation about the thickness of the O-ring is sharp and coincides with our own tests regarding cartomizers out of specs. Our obsession with the precision is a double edge sword, when we have to combine devices from different makers. I keep notes for the next version of SnP.
 
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Most people have no issues with the current O-rings. If a simple Boge cartomizer can be inserted without shredding the O-rings to the point of leakage, then I wonder if your Sophia is slightly thicker. If this is not true, we can replace your SnP with a new one, just in case yours is out of specs.

The measurements I posted earlier were my exact measurements on my Sophia, and on my SnP. I think it has to do with the stiffness/elasticity of the o-rings. The Sophia and SnP both seem to be in spec. I'd like to try a couple of different o-rings of different hardness ratings to see if can get one that works for me, and then share that info with everyone.

I know the rings are 9 x 1mm, would you be so kind to share the material and hardness rating?


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The measurements I posted earlier were my exact measurements on my Sophia, and on my SnP. I think it has to do with the stiffness/elasticity of the o-rings. The Sophia and SnP both seem to be in spec. I'd like to try a couple of different o-rings of different hardness ratings to see if can get one that works for me, and then share that info with everyone.

I know the rings are 9 x 1mm, would you be so kind to share the material and hardness rating?


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They are Viton® O-rings with a hardness of 50-60 Shore for the brown ones and 30-40 Shore for the red ones.
 
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Thanks guys. Maybe I'll order the kit and try my flat top EFEST 14500s , they're just a little shorter than the AW. We'll see.

Those Efest v1s might just be perfect. I couldn't find them anywhere - so I 'shaved-off' the button tops from my Efest v2s and they are sitting [nearly] flush in the Ba Gua.



Remember, Ba Gua is the 'shortest' 14500 mod in the globe (as of date) - and that's achieved by it's 'double-screw' 510 post. Which, though a PITA - but works! However, any tinkering with it - and it'd complicate the issues further. Needing more adjustments here-n-there!
 

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Those Efest v1s might just be perfect. I couldn't find them anywhere - so I 'shaved-off' the button tops from my Efest v2s and they are sitting [nearly] flush in the Ba Gua.



Remember, Ba Gua is the 'shortest' 14500 mod in the globe (as of date) - and that's achieved by it's 'double-screw' 510 post. Which, though a PITA - but works! However, any tinkering with it - and it'd complicate the issues further. Needing more adjustments here-n-there!

Thanks, maybe I'll just deal with the Ba Gua pin till I get another 14500 mod, we'll see.
 

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Sneak preview of the Spheroid 22

.I have not exactly kept it a secret that I prefer a straight and smooth look on a mod/tank combo. I prefer Spheroid for its look and taste, and it fits perfectly on a Piccolo.
Your picture gives me hope that there will now be a perfect combo for PAPS with the perfect taste I know from Spheroid.
Have you tested it?
Does it taste as good as Spheroid 16mm?


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.I have not exactly kept it a secret that I prefer a straight and smooth look on a mod/tank combo. I prefer Spheroid for its look and taste, and it fits perfectly on a Piccolo.
Your picture gives me hope that there will now be a perfect combo for PAPS with the perfect taste I know from Spheroid.
Have you tested it?
Does it taste as good as Spheroid 16mm?

Sendt fra mobil!

We are testing it right now, me and George. We are pondering about possible changes to the bell and the drip tip, we have concluded for the other parts and we want another week to be sure. Generally the vapour production is greater compared to Spheroid 16 and the throat hit is more intense. These were anticipated from the design. The taste is like more sweet due to a second concentration chamber we made, when I post photos this will be understood better. We are defining now the exact position of this space. We wait for the samples to finish and be tested and then we'll start the production. We are satisfied with the efficiency and the versatility of the AFC and of the base's easiness for setup. A small ring adaptor will be made to permit the Roid to be put on GP PAPS X, no need to make a separate base.

In a nutshell we named it Roid: a Spheroid on steroids :)
 
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We are testing it right now, me and George. We pondering about possible changes to the bell and the drip tip, we have concluded for the other parts and we want another week to be sure. Generally the vapour production is greater compared to Spheroid 16 and the throat hit is more intense. These were anticipated from the design. The taste is like more sweet due to a second concentration chamber we made, when I post photos this will be understood better. We are defining now the exact position of this space. We wait for the samples to finish and be tested and then we'll start the production. We are satisfied with the efficiency and the versatility of the AFC and of the base's easiness for setup. A small ring adaptor will be made to permit the Roid to be put on GP PAPS X, no need to make a separate base.

In a nutshell we named it Roid: a Spheroid on steroids :)

Roid. Love it! :)
 
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