GP Series by VapourArt - Official Thread for GP Spheroid, GP PAPS, X, GP Piccolo, GP SnP and more - Part 3

[jpcwon]

It appears to me as if something is wrong with the fluff side of your attempts.. too much I guess.. did you try to tune that too?

I have found that the amount of Fluff can hugely influence how the atty (Heron) wicks. For a while there I was getting one of two things; either dry hits, or I was having to fill the Heron way too often. In both cases it was due to using WAY too much Fluff (it was not releasing the juice like it was supposed to). I was wrapping it much too tightly around the bell, and was using upwards of 4-5"!! Since cutting back on the amount of fluff (more like 2-2.5" now) I get MUCH better wicking and the vape quality from the Heron has gotten a LOT more enjoyable!

You want it loosely wrapped around the bell, and you'll want to make sure that it touches the tank walls. What I do is then go in with a pair of tweezers and "spin" the fluff in the opposite direction that I wrapped it....this helps to spread out the fluff evenly....maybe try a build with a bit less fluff and see what happens?

 

[FearTX]

You are having a problem adapting to the change in profile from round to square, rather than the edges being rough? This is the @Fear mindset rather than a flaw if I'm reading the first post correctly

NISam, you are correct, there is not a single thing rough about this mod, it is smooth and silky everywhere it is supposed to be.

It is the transition from square edge on the button tabs to round edge of the locking ring. I almost... don't notice it anymore.

I am weird the smallest things bug me.

None of this is a direct complaint, just me vocalizing my weirdness...

 

[nisam]

NISam, you are correct, there is not a single thing rough about this mod, it is smooth and silky everywhere it is supposed to be.

It is the transition from square edge on the button tabs to round edge of the locking ring. I almost... don't notice it anymore.

I am weird the smallest things bug me.

None of this is a direct complaint, just me vocalizing my weirdness...

Suspicions confirmed

 

[Dontknow]

It appears to me as if something is wrong with the fluff side of your attempts.. too much I guess.. did you try to tune that too?

Yes, I did change the fluff amounts too. I'm down to just 2" now. Much less and it wouldn't hold any juice at all...
I really think that 2" is the lowest that is workable. It is however working fine now with rayon, so not a complete waste.
That said. As I'm writing this - I'm thinking that maybe the 2" is right - but the width might be a bit "wrong"! I do remember that I had to compress it a bit as I was loading it...
I'll have a think about that at the next filling stop! I will reduce the width of the fluff - might be something there...
I'll get back if it makes a noticeable difference...


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[cliffy15]

I have both the v3 and the X (I won't go into why I like the squared edges of the v3 button here) and I couldn't possibly choose a favorite if I had to.

You might, however, so well get into that. The X switch requires a firmer press to activate and it might turn you while activating it depending on the way vape. won't fire when set down unlocked. The switch is smooth and great.

The v3 switch is very light and only requires a touch to fire. The button will not turn as you vape all. The v3 switch is easier to visually check that it is locked before transport. You can't really visually check this on the X switch.

I do so love both switches for what they are...

 

[newyork13]

But I gotta say this about Chicago. I was there a couple of month ago. Two things: took one of the boat rides on the Chicago River through downtown; it was amazingly beautiful; what a fine looking city, and I've lived in many. Second, you Chicago folks have some fantastic restaurants, second to none; check out Eater's Chicago website for pointers.

Lol, yeah this is just out side of the city. Chicago definitely didn't look like this although the city itself had changed drastically over the years. With all the gentrification all the major housing projects (including Cabrini Green) are out of the city and all the neighborhoods have been transformed. The city is starting to turn into the burbs.

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[newyork13]

When I am about I will pm you a list I made of mechanical and connection thread sizes I noted a while back. I have a list of a couple of the vendors I bought dyes from on eBay. I just finished a bit of peppermint tea and am horizontally chain vaping a Heron on this kick ayuss GP Ti mod and am struggling to motivate myself.


I'm working on opening up a bit brother...bear with me

Just give some warning before you open up. I'll go hide in the barn.

 

[newyork13]

Ironic to see that lush grass and fountain amidst the desert so soon after the posts about powder to avoid evaporation.

Millions of tourists come here each year that never see or realize that we have many old ranch estates in what is now the middle of the city. The ranches were on the surrounding desert or edge of the city when they were built back in the 50's/60's. I live in the middle of one of those areas that still has many of the old larger ranches, smaller ranches and some newer residential neighborhoods built where old ranches once stood.

One such remaining larger 36 acre ranch is about a block south of my place. It had been Wayne Newton's Casa de Shenandoah ranch since the 60's where he kept up to 50-60 of his Arabian horses with something like 40 stables and acres of space for them to roam, a horse pool, and a host of other birds and animals. The place has 8 homes counting the main 12K square foot home built in the early 50's, waterways, a private jet, air terminal/runway, a long line of classic car garages and all right in the heart of Sin City. But the financial and legal problems that have plaqued him for decades forced him to sell it, and he blocked the plans to turn it into a sort of Newton's "Graceland" Museum. Asking for it last summer was $70 million and included the jet... later it was lowered to $48 million but who knows what the Texas family who bought it actually paid for it. They spent $20 million remodeling it though, and renamed it. As for Mr. Las Vegas, he now lives about a block and a half east of me in another smaller mansion, but has already secured other homes and acreage around it as he starts to rebuild another "Casa de ?" for his family.

 

[newyork13]

Terrific. I've not had complete success with my Heron. Today I built a new coil, but ran out of time to wick it. [Though I have to say that after disassembling the Heron and cleaning it, it's obvious that my fluff was not uniform nor contacting the inner circumference uniformly. Would you kindly share the specifics about your last successful microcoil?

I was beginning to think that one Heron was too many for me!
The one I have nearly found its way into the deep blue sea permanently. Lost count of the number of different builds I've tried on it - and failed. The Spheroid has been brilliant from day one - but I could not get anything even close to "good" with various coils, various wicks, all based around what I knew worked on the Spheroid.
Yesterday I tried about 10 more builds. Big loops on 1.5mm silica, small loops on silica. Same on 2mm silica. 4 wraps of .20mm Kanthal and .25mm Kanthal. Mostly all failed through poor wicking (dry hits too frequent). The sea was calling my Heron. I was going to feed it too - really cheesed off.
Then - truly my very last effort was micro coil and rayon. Bingo! At last. No dry hits half way through my 2nd tank. Good flavour, good vapour production. So - the Heron lives on. But, it was a close run thing...


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[newyork13]

Whatever decision you came to will work out well. Both are superb mods. I have no problem with the v3 profile and it took no time to get used to. The X switch is as good as people say. They're just diff. I do like being able to put the v3 down unlocked and not hearing or feeling any click or movement. Not that the X has ever fired inadvertently. And, though I wondered about it, the 22 vs 23 for the X makes no difference esthetically. That's all probably no help at all. LOL

You are having a problem adapting to the change in profile from round to square, rather than the edges being rough? This is the @Fear mindset rather than a flaw if I'm reading the first post correctly

The V3 switch really appeals to me, although it would likely take a short while to get used to. Regardless, @akdare has stepped up yet again and helped me come to a decision, with what to hopefully acquire come September.... fingers crossed & F5 at the ready.

 

[XJ-linux]

If you think you might have cut a section of fluff that is too small, you are probably closer to getting it right than wrong (with the Heron).

 

[Slots]

We'll make a spare 510 bottom cap v3 when we open again.

That's a GREAT idea ...I hope you make more than a few, and offer them up for anyone.
I love spare parts .. they are my security blanket, as my past orders probably show
Thanks Perseas

 

[Cmoke]

Yes, I did change the fluff amounts too. I'm down to just 2" now. Much less and it wouldn't hold any juice at all...

That sounds all right, I never got down to 2" myself but never got dry hits either. Just holding the juice is what you're looking for.

So that's not the issue here. If you get dry hits with that fluff, the flow of juice must be choked somewhere else. With the simple design of the Heron there not many other places where the juice flow can be limited, if it is not the fluff it must be the wick itself that is choked.

Since you had the problem with silica wick too, I assume that you didn't use the cap on the chamber, so that leaves only one candidate for choking the juice flow and that is the coil itself.

When you experienced these dry-hits, did you actually see signs of burning on the wick or did it just taste burnt? Just asking, because a coil wrapped too loosely (or a hot wire between post and coil) may cause a burnt taste too.

 

[Dontknow]

That sounds all right, I never got down to 2" myself but never got dry hits either. Just holding the juice is what you're looking for.

So that's not the issue here. If you get dry hits with that fluff, the flow of juice must be choked somewhere else. With the simple design of the Heron there not many other places where the juice flow can be limited, if it is not the fluff it must be the wick itself that is choked.

Since you had the problem with silica wick too, I assume that you didn't use the cap on the chamber, so that leaves only one candidate for choking the juice flow and that is the coil itself.

When you experienced these dry-hits, did you actually see signs of burning on the wick or did it just taste burnt? Just asking, because a coil wrapped too loosely (or a hot wire between post and coil) may cause a burnt taste too.

Oh boy! I think sometimes my brain needs to hit the reset button.
I spent so long with different set ups that I overlooked a glaring error in my comparisons between the Heron and the Spheroid set ups.
The Spheroid sits on a regular 18500 battery, the Heron sits on an 18650 with a KICK! Doh! So significantly more power was going to the Heron setup...
OK. Brain was reset overnight. Let me revisit this issue again...
To answer your Q, there area of the wick by the coil did not burn. The rest of the wick was suitably saturated with juice. So I'm figuring the "kicked" coil was super heating - the wicking could not keep up with it. The Spheroid didn't need a kick - so for similar performance, the Heron shouldn't either?...
That said. The Heron with micro coil and Rayon (kicked), is pretty damned good...


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[darksparkle13]

Good morning Iowa and GP Fam. Hope everyone has a great weekend. Mine is off to a great peaceful start.

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Nice picture! Beautiful!

 

[perseas]

NISam, you are correct, there is not a single thing rough about this mod, it is smooth and silky everywhere it is supposed to be.

It is the transition from square edge on the button tabs to round edge of the locking ring. I almost... don't notice it anymore.

I am weird the smallest things bug me.

None of this is a direct complaint, just me vocalizing my weirdness...

Welcome aboard

No worries, we're all here sharing the same OCD. Every observation, note, comment, complaint is a invaluable feedback for our company.

That's a GREAT idea ...I hope you make more than a few, and offer them up for anyone.
I love spare parts .. they are my security blanket, as my past orders probably show
Thanks Perseas

You're welcome! I hope we speak for the same thing: GP Spheroid 510 bottom cap v3.

Oh boy! I think sometimes my brain needs to hit the reset button.
I spent so long with different set ups that I overlooked a glaring error in my comparisons between the Heron and the Spheroid set ups.
The Spheroid sits on a regular 18500 battery, the Heron sits on an 18650 with a KICK! Doh! So significantly more power was going to the Heron setup...
OK. Brain was reset overnight. Let me revisit this issue again...
To answer your Q, there area of the wick by the coil did not burn. The rest of the wick was suitably saturated with juice. So I'm figuring the "kicked" coil was super heating - the wicking could not keep up with it. The Spheroid didn't need a kick - so for similar performance, the Heron shouldn't either?...
That said. The Heron with micro coil and Rayon (kicked), is pretty damned good...


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A Kicked Heron or a kicked Spheroid can work without any dry hit, having considered the proper build beforehand. I mean, using them without a kick and having a build for kick, may create over wicking issues.

 

[sedge]

Good morning all.

Who amongst us plan in attending the Electronic Cigarette Convention in Ontario, California September 5, 6 & 7?

I just booked my room and hope to see some of you there.

 

[Spydro]

Good Morning from Fabulous Las Vegas.

Summer monsoons hit during the night... lots and lots of massive thunder and lightning, endless flash flood warnings. But it didn't rain hard enough at my place to much more than put a few inches of water on the bottom of my dry lake bed out front. More normal when it actually does dump here is it entirely filled to overflowing in anywhere from 10-15 minutes to less than an hour.

 

[FearTX]

Welcome aboard
No worries, we're all here sharing the same OCD. Every observation, note, comment, complaint is a invaluable feedback for our company.

I really appreciate a company with OCD that builds to that and makes adjustments for their customers OCD. It really speaks leaps and bounds

 

[Dontknow]

Welcome aboard


A Kicked Heron or a kicked Spheroid can work without any dry hit, having considered the proper build beforehand. I mean, using them without a kick and having a build for kick, may create over wicking issues.

Yes, I now realise that to be true. But I was putting tricycle wheels on a dragster! Unsurprisingly, it was not a rip roaring success.
Now - onto plan B.


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