GrimmGreen makes the call - no more ProTanks!

[f1vefour]

Not everyone can recoil and wick. I never had to relight a cigarette after lighting it once, and I was able to plan the waiting on a line to buy cigs where as, if something suddenly went wrong with a tank, it was sudden. I don't mind it all, and I like to fiddle. You don't mind it either. Others however, have been getting their nic fix the same way for many, many, years and are creatures of habit, like my husband. I love him, I don't think there's anything wrong with him, and I know that he would absolutely not be vaping if I hadn't set him up in such a way that unless a fire burned down the house and all the vape gear with it, he always has a back up that he doesn't have to fiddle with aside from screwing on the clearo.

I agree with your sentiment and wish my wife was so thoughtful. It's interesting you didn't have to relight your cigarettes, guess I just didn't take a pull on it often enough or hard enough.

Yes you can't foresee a popped coil, only have another handy. I think you may be spoiling your husband a bit but if that's what it takes to keep him vaping then it's certainly worth it. I think I'm jealous

 

[Myrany]

Do I agree that in a perfect world every clearo head for a particular model should be exactly the same as any other clearo head for that particular model? You betcha. I also realize it is not realistic. No mass produced item of any sort has 100% perfect quality control. In the end we are arguing about what percent of bad items is acceptable. That number will differ for each of us. To a newbie the closer to 100% the better. They do not have the toolbox the rest of us do to cope with the problems. To an old hat at it a dud now and then is just par for the course and we roll with the punches.

The real problem is that newbie is probably at their most vulnerable right when this stuff fails them. They are fresh off cigs. They probably do not have a stable of backup devices They do not have the knowledge on how to deal with a problem. All they know is they are jonesing bad and that blankety blank blank clearo is not working. If they are anything like I was they don't even have anyone to ask for help.

Clearos are marketed in many cases as entry level devices and realistically given the high rate of issues they are not. I have said many times I fiddle less with my rebuildables than I ever did with the Vivi Novas. PT1 and Aspire I have not had to fiddle with much but maybe I just got lucky. The EVODs come in somewhere in between.

This will not be popular but I totally get why big tobacco is focusing on cigalikes. It has a familiar form factor for switchers. It is as plug and play as anything in vaping can be. There isn't much fiddling to be done. It either works or you grab a new carto and screw it on. Prefilled cartos also mean that many of the factors that contribute to poor performance are already taken out of the picture such as PG/VG ratio. I also suspect that automating a manufacturing process with good quality control is much simpler. Is it as satisfying a vape? Undeniably NO. It is however, simple and that is where many newbies are at.

If a company could develop a consistently good clearo they would make a fortune. Unfortunately I think there are far too many variables for this to happen. Even things as simple as juice thickness and ambient temperature can have a huge impact on clearo performance.

 

[Alter]

If I pass along some info or a DIY to help improve someone elses vape experience its something that I have either experienced already, done or figured out. Most just can't be bothered to open up a protank head and realign the coil wraps a little bit to drastically improve the vape and/or remove or add a different flavor wick to stop leaking and gurgling. We are the minority... those who have taken the time to figure out how something works and make it better.
Bottom line is that I really don't give a rats azz if you use my input to help yourself out or just backburner it. I have just regular equipment and for the last 8 months have had nothing less than the best possible vape quality for my wife and I. My wife has no idea what a dry hit or metallic taste is at all just because I take the time to R&R our equipment. Once I started rebuilding my protank heads I just got better and better at it and now I'm vaping a 1.8 ohm dual hemp microcoil (side by side) inside my protank1 and having superior awesomeness for vape quality.
Ya.. kanger coils really suck but the don't suck as bad if you take a few minutes and minimal skill to improve them inwhich so many don't want to do or feel intimitated and assume vaping is plug and play and they are just fooling themselves.

 

[Myrany]

Ya.. kanger coils really suck but the don't suck as bad if you take a few minutes and minimal skill to improve them inwhich so many don't want to do or feel intimitated and assume vaping is plug and play and they are just fooling themselves.

Or just do not even know it can be done.

When I started I had no one. No B&M. No one in real life. I didn't know about ECF. If I were not an internet savvy person I would have gone a very long time before I ever knew there were better options and methods. I doubt very much I am that unusual in how I started out.

 

[S1LV3R]

I don't think cigarettes are simply light and go since the whole fire resistant paper fiasco, I had to light each cigarette at least three times.

Before fire safety it was light and go except for the following reasons.

I don't really have to fiddle with my gear that much, take the time I had to find my lighter and relight...wait in checkout lines for purchasing smokes...pack the smokes...clean the wrappers out of my floorboard...dump ashtrays...clean ashes out of console...wash car windows...etc..etc.

Vaping is a huge timesaver, fill tank...push button..charge batteries..re-coil and wick..change batteries..push button

Ive said it before and ill say it again. Vaping, even if you have to fiddle with ur gear some, is 1000x easier than hauling an oxygen tank around or dealing with chemo, dontcha think?!?

 

[wonner]

Ive said it before and ill say it again. Vaping, even if you have to fiddle with ur gear some, is 1000x easier than hauling an oxygen tank around or dealing with chemo, dontcha think?!?

When I was 25, I was pretty much invincible. Reality comes much later.

Edit: For Scott's catch.

 

[wonner]

...If a company could develop a consistently good clearo they would make a fortune...

They would have to make that fortune in about 3 months, before the clones appeared on FastTech.

 

[Scott_Simpson]

When I was 25, I was pretty much invisible. Reality comes much later.

Invisible? I can't see that.

 

[wonner]

Invisible? I can't see that.

Good catch! Damn spellcheck.

 

[OldSeer]

So GRIMM had his say so about Pro Tanks and Kranger.... what so new about that...

Isn't he just catching up for lost time... and repeating what he saw else where???
pbursado... in his recent video of bottom coils contest... lashed out at Kranger for coming up
with so many different heads (type of coils) that it was confusing him... so if it did that to him
what was it doing to the poor customers who didn't have his back ground to understanding of heads (coils)
and he (Phil) even thru in a four letter word to show his disgust... with a background ...beeeeeep!
Now GRIMM.... had to come back with something to show he was on the BALL!
Then RIP TRIPPER took on ASPIRE about their COILS (heads)
and he let loose with a bunch of tripe... whew!
GRIMM ...well... he'd been off the air (videos) for a while...
and if he didn't live up to ....let us ALL find wrong in the WORLD today!!!
he'd be running way behind.... this while he was trying to guess what type
of clearomizer (go figure) he was using... a TOP PROFESSIONAL trying to guess
what type of clearomizer he was vaping on YOUTUBE... in front of all his
soon to be thousands of guest.... and he REALLY DIDN'T KNOW??????
asking us to advise him.... and it was just a clone
of the Innokin 16 D

And he was saying it was one of the very best he'd ever VAPED...

What are we gathering from all these posting back and forth to one another...
Grimm is a decent guy... YES! But, capable of changing the order of our FORUM and
a multi-million dollar business... because he says he received a lot of E-Mail...
and then skips around time and again... That's his right...
But... I'm going to accept him as a friend... meaning to share info... but not as
an expert... he handles to many different jobs to be an expert about ONE!

 

[Susaz]

I guess that's the problem - with the huge range of PVs/APVs out there, plus thousands of different juices in different PG/VG ratios, plus a variable amount of technical knowledge of how a topper works, how can someone be sure to get a great vape out of what they buy?

When I first got my PT2 I thought it was... OK - bit disappointed honestly, weak vape, lots of flooding, really tight draw but strangely, good throat hit.

I switched to the iClear 16b that came with my MVP and got tons of vape and it just worked but the throat hit wasn't there.

It was only after experimenting and watching some videos that I realised if you screw the PT all the way down you're blocking the airflow that comes through the center pin - and depending on the APV you've got, you may or may not encounter that problem.

The fix was simple, unscrew the PT a little and screw the beauty ring up to hold it in place - bingo! Stellar vape - plumes of vapour, great taste, great throat hit.

Some people just aren't going to take the time to figure that out though - or won't know where to look to get help - if you post about the PT here people will tell you:

Remove the flavour wick
Turn the grommet upside down
Rebuild the coil
PT's are junk
Mine works fine, it's user error (true in this case, but not explaining why)
etc. etc.

As more inexperienced vapers join our ranks, support for these devices and their associated problems needs to improve and really, that should be coming from the device manufacturers - they need to understand that their user-base is rapidly becoming less experienced and they need to provide good instructions and support to help them.

Oh, and QC is a big issue too - I was dry-burning my stock Kanger head earlier today and noticed only half of the coil was glowing - not a biggie, I'm getting some Kanthal in next week but really, for what you pay, these replacement heads often are just bad.

Beleive me, I'm a seasoned vaper. My Protank complaint was too airy. My husband tones down my liquids to about 50% VG, that's why I think it works better for him. He vapes 0 nic, just for the vaping. For instance, many people get dry hits from Vapeonly BCC and those work for me beautifully, far better than the Protank. I tried everything. Very little vapor at extremely high voltages (over 5 v)

 

[f1vefour]

It seems there is a market for 'custom' coils on clearomizers. Four levels of customization seems sufficient (100PG 50VG/50PG, 25VG/75PG, 100VG) for various PG/VG ratio eliquid. Then of course these same custom coils in at least two ohm configurations (2.0/2.5) for each wick design.

A company with good quality control pushing out nothing but single Kanger style coils in the above configurations could clean up.

 

[myxomatosis]

Beleive me, I'm a seasoned vaper. My Protank complaint was too airy. My husband tones down my liquids to about 50% VG, that's why I think it works better for him. He vapes 0 nic, just for the vaping. For instance, many people get dry hits from Vapeonly BCC and those work for me beautifully, far better than the Protank. I tried everything. Very little vapor at extremely high voltages (over 5 v)

I was battling the constant airyness of the ProTank system too. I've found that firing my PV for about 1.5 seconds prior to starting to draw from it overcame that. If you think about it, drawing from a bottom coil system immediately is going to force heat away from the wick where it's needed to create vapor. I used to be so unhappy with the system until I started doing this consistently. Now I exhale clouds. Hope this helps

Cheers

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Never got any version prostank to function to my satisfaction no matter the amount of fiddling, won't recommend them to anyone.
Lotsa folks love them.

Some enjoy playing / fiddling with vape stuff, some don't.


Much ado about nothing / *thread*.

 

[optsmk]

So I just watched Grim's video and I'm surprised. IMO the protank is the best tank out there. I am no tank expert, but I have tried a few of them and the protank is the best. The only times I have ever had a burnt taste from a protank is when I cranked my device up to 6 volts. A couple weeks ago I even went and got a protank 3 because of the dual coils. Although I have to admit that it ain't all that. I was hoping to get a warmer vape with a little more vapor production. It is a little warmer, but a little less vapor than the the protank 2 coils, so it was a little disappointing. Other than that, it's just as good as the protank 2. Protanks are the best tanks IMO.

 

[KurrptSenate]

I can't imagine ever going back to a protank. The problems people have with them are just design flaws, really, but what do you expect for the amount you pay?

 

[wonner]

...The problems people have with them are just design flaws, really, but what do you expect for the amount you pay?

Well, I expect any product I buy to not have design flaws, and actually work as stated. Is that too much to ask? They set the price not me.

 

[bosun]

Ran a ProTank 2 on a Provari. Major problem was if the topper was screwed all the way down to make it stable I got no air, requiring me to loosen the Protank. Put a plastic shim (cut out of an old credit card) onto the 510 connector of the topper. This gave me a good draw but no contact with the positive pin on the Provari. Pull out the pin on the Protank a little way fixes this. But then the pin slides back up, get no connection and no firing of the coil. My draw on the device then would cause it to flood. I was thinking of wrapping some dental floss around the Protank pin so it couldn't move up but then decided just to toss it back in the box for emergency use only!

 

[Zealous]

This will not be popular but I totally get why big tobacco is focusing on cigalikes. It has a familiar form factor for switchers. It is as plug and play as anything in vaping can be. There isn't much fiddling to be done. It either works or you grab a new carto and screw it on. Prefilled cartos also mean that many of the factors that contribute to poor performance are already taken out of the picture such as PG/VG ratio. I also suspect that automating a manufacturing process with good quality control is much simpler. Is it as satisfying a vape? Undeniably NO. It is however, simple and that is where many newbies are at.

I actually think BT is thinking even MORE simple than a cigalike with carto. I just saw this commercial here this morning for the Njoy kings & those are sold in 1, 3, 5+ packs as full disposables. unfortunately the batteries don't last long enough to be practical right now. But if/when they get that worked out I think these will be what smokers who switch to vaping will be drawn to & many will never mess with anything else.

 

[Alter]

My wife has been running protanks on her provari for months now and hasn't had any connection issues nor pin problems. She be sure to tell me if there was.
Some little useless piece of tidbit I have figured out is that some bases work fine on some PV's and some don't perform all the well. I have a bunch of bases and mix and match untill I get one that works good with that perticular PV.. I make sure my wifes protank2's base doesn't get lost in the shuffle and always receives that perticular base and so far its been working flawlessly. A protank base on a PTmini looks a bit funny or the other way around but they all interchange, I have a sigelei puritank and the protank base fits it just fine but a tad smaller and I assume the davide is the same way but I don't own one of those yet.
I also say that probably what Bosun already knows if that those opaque silicone insulators is a major issue in blocking airflow and I use those heads as a last resort if I run out of rebuilding supplies.