Guns guns guns.

[Rickb119]

LOL! I suppose it's quite a joy for you

I totally agree with this part of your statement. However, I do believe that you've missed the point of this thread. Which is, IMHO, simply to stir the pot. What's in the pot is of no concern to the OP. Again, IMHO.

 

[Vaslovik]

I totally agree with this part of your statement. However, I do believe that you've missed the point of this thread. Which is, IMHO, simply to stir the pot. What's in the pot is of no concern to the OP. Again, IMHO.

That's why the pot stirrer is now on my ignore list.

 

[Vaslovik]

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yeah... I'm not sure how anyone could get the Idea that being able to Keep and Bear Arms is a Right guaranteed under the United States Constitution?

Then your are a LEFTITST.

goodbye.

 

[LX1X]

Just been racking my brains trying to think why an anti gun activist would go to any other forum other than a gun forum to glean information about people and their firearms.

Stupidest made up crap i've heard in ages.

If i could post in the outside forum i would. But i can't so i posted this here.

Better late than never..

Same goes for any anti-(fill in the blank).

Anti like to distort facts to fit their agenda and win hearts. Going to any forum they are against is like vampires going outside and sun bathe.

Outside... There are few gun threads already there.. And it's like going in a shark tank with bloody clothes on.

Was right from my first post on this thread.

Vampire trying to flush fresh blood so he can play.

 

[zoiDman]

Then your are a LEFTITST.

goodbye.

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[evan le'garde]

Deleted post.

 

[BackDoc]

It's obvious, even to me in the UK, that Americans aren't going to give up their right to bear arms.

If it were up to me, and knowing i couldn't change an Americans fundamental right to bear arms, i'd be committed to making it quite clear to every gun owner in no uncertain terms that they will be storing their firearms in the same kind of secure safe used for storing valuable items. The kind which a regular thief couldn't penetrate or steel. I'd ensure the entire nation knew this is mandatory and those who choose to ingore it would be subject to criminal prosecution and ordered to purchase and install a secure safe for any and every kind of firearm in their possession.

The non gun owning general public deserve to have the right to be protected from the gun owning population. And it should be the governments job to ensure laws exist that give the local authorities the right to impose any laws which would help achieve that goal.

So a proactive government department like the ATF which could exists to uphold the rights of those Americans who's rights are as important as those of any gun owners.

As it is it would seem the only Americans with rights are those in possession of firearms and they don't care about the rights of anyone else.

So laws really should be imposed just so these gun owners know what time it is.

you are Insane........."the general public should be protected FROM the gun owning"Population""......The Gun owning population IS what keeps the Republic Free........."proactive department like the ATF"..........you would have been an Asset to Adolf Hitler....End of Story

 

[evan le'garde]

What's wrong with measures that prevent non gun owners from the fallout of a society of gun owners. Sounds reasonable doesn't it.

It's as if those who have guns are those who call the shots. And anyone who expresses an alternative opinion is Hitlers best friend.

I don't think i'm being unreasonable.

 

[BackDoc]

Hitler Confiscated all the guns in Germany So He Could Call The Shots, we know how that turned out.............."the Fallout of a society of gun Owners" is..... America........land of the free and home of the brave............your not only unreasonable , but ill prepared to debate this issue........im done discussing this with you son

 

[evan le'garde]

That's a pretty dismissive attitude.

 

[titanle]

I thought this thread was about guns ie what guns forum members own and posting pictures etc. How about we just get back to that

 

[Katmar]

Removed from the Outside, now trying to troll the lounge. Good luck with that.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

I don't know much about American society apart from what i see on the telly. One thing i do see regularly is how cops behave towards occupants of vehicles they've stopped. It does appear that part of the protocol the cops follow is extreme caution. Very often i'll see the police following a protocol which is focused solely on whether the occupants are in possession of firearms. I'm not saying this happens everytime someone is stopped for speeding or tags or running a red light or whatever. I do think though that their training is focused on the possibility that the occupants could be armed.

Then there's the world everyone else lives in. Everyone who has never owned a gun, never will, and have probably never even held a gun, get treated in the exact same way. So the police are trained to deal with everyone in that way. Does that sound fair ?. Or does that sound like a country in which those who carry fire arms are basically dictating to government exactly how things should be for everyone, and everyone else should live with it and not have any choice or say in the way things are done.

Pretty selfish !, don't you think ?.

"Live and let live". That's what i say.

I see where you are going with all of this, but I have to tell you. As a child, I traveled frequently with my family. We just walked into the airports, walked up to our flight gate, and got on planes. The only place with officals, was the international terminal, to process incoming international flights.

However, my first trip through Heathrow, shocked the hell outta me. Military people with machine guns? Recordings warning to watch for, and move away from, suspicious packages? What was all that about? Oh yeah, your unrelenting grip on the Irish people taught them that blowing up innocents, was a way to get the attention of colonialists that couldn't give up their old stranglehold on the world. And the Arabs were delighted to learn this from the IRA.

Much the same reason why Americans were given the right to keep and bear arms.. Our founding fathers had had a very recent, and personal relationship with the need to have the means to overthrow tyranny. Thanks Britain. You just keep standing there and criticizing the behaviour of others, that you yourselves have wrought.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

I thought this thread was about guns ie what guns forum members own and posting pictures etc. How about we just get back to that

It was never about that. It was started by an anti-gun activist to see if he could tempt the kids into looking (to him) like a bunch of nuts. There already IS a thread in the lounge to show your EDC.

 

[Dougiestyle]

1- Guns? Yes, quite a few for every person in my home (watch the 84yo MIL)

2- Gun safe? Yes and no.

3- Pics of my arsenal? I don't show my cards until the chips are played in poker. Until I have a reason to show my firearms, I'll just keep them outta sight.

The rising criminal element in the US and the increasing imposition of my government warrant my support for the 2nd ammendment. If you have a problem with that, you better come with a battalion or just sit over there and shut up, whiney pacifist.

I hope and live for the best and am prepared for the worst.

 

[titanle]

It was never about that. It was started by an anti-gun activist to see if he could tempt the kids into looking (to him) like a bunch of nuts. There already IS a thread in the lounge to show your EDC.

Oh my apologies. Well in that case I have nothing further to see here. See y'all in the Diy section

 

[AzPlumber]

Methinks the OP is complacent with his current government. When history repeats itself we have the second amendment, what do you have?

 

[LouisLeBeau]

A Gun Thread in The Outside? Now that would be a 1st. LOL.

Actually, pictures of guns with vapes were posted in the New Members forum, in the vaguely titled thread "Pictures of your setup". Some very fragile flowers were DEEPLY offended, to the point of hitting the Panic Report button rather than discussing things like a grown adult would, and so a thread was started in the Lounge Pics of your EDC (everyday carry) to contain such pictures there, where people who might be offended by them will be insulated from them.

However, that thread is FOR advocates of the right to bear arms. If it becomes infested by those who are offended by them, I think it becomes pointless trying to keep them out of sight of those who ARE offended by them, and then this once again would be the appropriate place to post, and discuss, them.
Picture of Your Setup Part 2!

 

[zoiDman]

Actually, pictures of guns with vapes were posted in the New Members forum, in the vaguely titled thread "Pictures of your setup". Some very fragile flowers were DEEPLY offended, to the point of hitting the Panic Report button rather than discussing things like a grown adult would, and so a thread was started in the Lounge Pics of your EDC (everyday carry) to contain such pictures there, where people who might be offended by them will be insulated from them.

However, that thread is FOR advocates of the right to bear arms. If it becomes infested by those who are offended by them, I think it becomes pointless trying to keep them out of sight of those who ARE offended by them, and then this once again would be the appropriate place to post, and discuss, them.
Picture of Your Setup Part 2!

Just My Opinion:

I don't think that the New Members section is the place to start a thread that has anything to do with Guns Or Abortion, or Religion, or the Death Penalty, or Global Warming, or Non e-Cigarette related topics.

Because this is an e-Cigarette Forum. And ANY Time Firearms are mentioned on an Internet Forum, you are going to get people who have Strong, Vocal Opinions either For or Against Firearm Use, Ownership, Laws, Means of Storage, etc.

"Gun Threads" always degrade into what you are seeing here. And I think such "Debates" are best suited to an area of the ECF such as the Lounge or the "OUTSIDE".

I Don't have a problem with someone being Against some aspect of Firearm Ownership or Use. Even though I am Pro Firearm Ownership/Responsible Use and a Firm Believer in the 2nd Amendment.

Just like I Don't have a problem with someone being Against Abortion even though I'm Pro Choice. Or someone who believes that the Death Penalty is Wrong, when I believe that in Select Circumstances it is Justified. I think the World would be a Pretty Boring Place if everyone though the Same Way. Or if people could Not Express their Views.

But what I do find Interesting is the Levels that some will go to when someone Expresses a view that is Not Aligned with theirs. I'm not sure why these Opposing Beliefs are such an Affront to some people at times? I guess we All have something that gets us Bent when we Hear it.

But this is Nothing New. And it Extends to more things than something like "Gun Threads". How many times have you seen the Shouting Matches between Yihi Chip Lovers and Evolv Board Believers?

If the OP thinks that all Firearm Owners in the USA should store their Firearms in a Safe, and their should be a Federal Law mandating it, that's fine.

I don't believe that it is Needed. And the Ramifications of such a Federal requirement would diminish one of Fundamental Reasons that some/many people purchase a Firearm. In this case, the Potential Benefits are (to Me) outweighed by the Restrictions of Use.

But if the OP feels that way, Ca Sara Sara.

 

[evan le'garde]

I don't understand the overzealous reactions to a thread on an internet forum about guns and gun control. It's as if some members are actually offended or concerned about the mere mention by me of revising gun laws in America. I'd understand it if i were a congressman talking about it on the tv or wherever, but it isn't it's just me, and i hardly pose a threat to Americans and their rights to bear arms.

I'm pretty sure that your second amendment rights are safe from me folks !. I thought i'd better say that because i seriously think you need the reassurance.