Has this ever happened to you?
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Uppity has, indeed, very racist roots that, unfortunately has invaded our lexicon. I understand that you in no way meant it as such. Thank you for listening to this learning moment. It's okay, we're all still friends, and I would like to keep it as such.
Such a situation as the OP's does get under my skin, as such things of "mistake" happen far too frequently. I suppose I should be very grateful to live in a small enough community that I am able to know my officers (well, not every single one, but enough casual interaction to make a positive difference). Also, conversing with officers when you meet them they're on break at the local gas station, restaurant, or whatever, is an opportunity to share with each other the concerns of the community and educating each other (civilian and officer, alike) on ways to make a positive impact on public safety.
And my conversations with PD have another positive impact for me, personally. I know how to conduct myself day-to-day, and have never once, in my entire 38 years on this planet, been arrested, traffic stopped, or questioned otherwise by an officer of the law. And I've done no thing (for real, I REALLY follow every law, always, I think?) to cause a "negative" interaction. If I should find myself in a situation in which an officer is behaving outside the bounds of law, why should it be MY fault that they are wasting community resources?
If it is true that today's officers are trained that EVERY person is a potential threat, then, my GOD, where are we headed? That's asinine and truly frightening, to say the least...
No warrant no search. And yes, I will get uppity with the cop. I have a thing where I'm generally against the idea of my son getting stopped and frisked on account of him being half black here in NYC. They stopped and searched more black men then even LIVE in this city. He's only 8 now, but it'll happen. I've seen it happen to my ex. My ex and I couldn't remain married, but he was no criminal. Just a lying cheating a hole. He was a geek though. In IT. Most illegal thing he ever did was pirate porn. Him and a coworker were bringing some computers home to work on one night as they were on site till 3am in the morning. Coworker blew a red light and my ex wound up blowing it too since he wasn't familiar with the area and was following. He'd have been fine with a ticket, but that isn't what happend. Cop sees a car full of expensive computer equipment in a wealthy, white, area and next thing my ex knew, he was face first in the pavement. He had his uniform on too, which def suggested he worked on computers for a living, but it didn't matter. His coworker figured out he wasn't following anymore and turned around to see the cop on top of my ex on the ground and in the process of cuffing him. It took his white coworker to convince the cop that there wasn't any robbery going on. Unfortunately, that's not the only story and example I have. Screw searching without a warrant. I'll be nice when it isn't an actual policy and procedure to consider those of a certain color to automatically be criminals like it is here.
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OP this is how I would have handled it too, with patience. If an officer wants to detain you they can. If the officer just caught a glimpse of what you were doing, it is enough to know it isn't a cigarette, so he has to check. If the officer didn't do this, a person using something else that wasn't a vaping device could be out driving using who knows what kind of pipe. Maybe I am alone, but I don't want crackheads driving around unchecked.
As far as making them get a warrant? lol, I guess some people have nothing better to do with their time. Now this officer knows what vaping gadgets are, and next time he sees something like this, he probably won't take so long to understand. If the "disagreeable' approach was taken, the next time he came across this he would immediately think, "Great, another ......... going to waste my time tonight, let's make it hard on him sense he is wasting my time". All the while a house is getting broken into, or there is a traffic accident where someone needs help, or god forbid, the cop is about to get off work and spend his time with his family.
As far as making them get a warrant? lol, I guess some people have nothing better to do with their time. Now this officer knows what vaping gadgets are, and next time he sees something like this, he probably won't take so long to understand. If the "disagreeable' approach was taken, the next time he came across this he would immediately think, "Great, another ......... going to waste my time tonight, let's make it hard on him sense he is wasting my time". All the while a house is getting broken into, or there is a traffic accident where someone needs help, or god forbid, the cop is about to get off work and spend his time with his family.
are you sure he wasnt treated that way because he was a lying, cheating ......., and not because of his race? Just asking.
Cops treat men who lie and cheat on their wives like this now? And the cop KNEW that? It was probably option TWO, most likely. Sad but true world we live in...
Too many cops come to believe they are the law and not just someone appointed and paid to uphold it , the constitution is the law of the land and they're sworn to uphold it , not violate it , sometimes they need to be reminded of that fact .
I think at this point we are discussing a situation quite different than the OP experienced. I want to be clear that while in no way do I support gestapo reign by our local police, I don't think that is what was going on here. If I ever felt that my civilian rights were being in question, I'd certainly take a strong position. Again, I may be mistaken, but I just don't think that was going on in the OP situation.
Regarding your last comment; that isn't where we're headed, that's where we're at. You may live in a smaller peaceful town, as do I currently (such a luxury), but the same rules and discretion simply do not apply to many of our country's cities. Violence is out there, people with drugs and guns in their car are out there. People who would prefer to kill a cop than have their licence (containing open arrest warrants) run are out there. Cops are aware of this, and they should be.
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My ex husband pirated porn. Not my 8 year old. It wasn't the porn that broke us up, I assure you. I had no issue with that. I caught my ex husband red handed cheating on me. I wasn't searching through his phone or computer either. He just got very stupid about. For all the personal problems I had with the man though, the police had no reason to treat him as they did, and in the future they'll have no reason to treat my son like that. This was the NYPD. Has no one else heard of NYPD policy and procedure regarding those of other races?
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"Uppity" is, so far as I know, pretty well-known as a derogatory term mostly used to refer to non-subservient minorities or women. I personally don't find it overtly racist and I don't think you were meaning to use it in that way, but I can see how someone else might.
I understand that LEOs are trained to treat everyone like criminals, and to an extent I understand why. It's a shame that it has to be that way, not least of all because it leads to many law enforcement contacts that could have otherwise been positive ending up leaving a bad impression with a citizen who may be innocent or guilty of a minor infraction like, as the OP implied, speeding.
That said, I fully support anyone with the huevos and, more importantly, time to protest against an unreasonable search - it's hard for me to imagine how an interaction with the fully cooperative, forthcoming, and sober OP would have aroused any legitimate suspicion from the officer in question. The LEO, had he any common sense, would have concluded the same. If his incompetence resulted in his being unavailable to respond to a more pressing matter because he chose to busy himself with harassing an innocent citizen, I don't think that's the innocent citizen's fault at all.
I did find myself in a similar situation about 10 years ago - while I really would like to say I stood my ground, the LEO in my case told me I could either let him conduct an illegal search or sit and wait while he made up a reason for a warrant and requested K9 backup. I had better things to do with my day, so I let him go ahead and search - which still cost me a couple hours of cleanup after he opened a couple bags of chips, dumped them on the floor of my car, and smashed them into the carpet as retaliation for me even suggesting I might resist...
He was doing his job as a civil servant. He was doing what he's sworn to do. It is his job. It's his paycheck. It's his right to pull you over at his discretion. He did nothing to you but waste your time. He let you go politely and with no incident.
Be thankful there are people like him willing to do the job they do. I don't understand why people belittle cops. Sure, you may have met a few bad ones, but that's going to be in ANY job.
Honestly, who are you gonna call when someone just stuck a gun in your face and robbed you? Batman? The local vape store?
Be thankful there are people like him willing to do the job they do. I don't understand why people belittle cops. Sure, you may have met a few bad ones, but that's going to be in ANY job.
Honestly, who are you gonna call when someone just stuck a gun in your face and robbed you? Batman? The local vape store?
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I'm sorry, but since when did police arrest cheaters? They were arresting him for stealing computer equipment he didn't steal. He had road rash on the side of his face from being slammed into the pavement. Just read the statistics for searches and racial profiling in NYC of you don't believe me.
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Lol, yeah, sorry. I tried to edit that post as quick as I could. I thought you were saying.... well you know.
He was doing his job as a civil servant. He was doing what he's sworn to do. It is his job. It's his paycheck. It's his right to pull you over at his discretion. He did nothing to you but waste your time. He let you go politely and with no incident.
Officers always swear to first and foremost, uphold the constitution. Search w/o warrant is not upholding their oath.
Be thankful there are people like him willing to do the job they do. I don't understand why people belittle cops. Sure, you may have met a few bad ones, but that's going to be in ANY job. I never belittle those who wear the blue. I respect and value the officers that conduct themselves honorably, but while cast blame and judge those few that happen to be "bad apples."
Honestly, who are you gonna call when someone just stuck a gun in your face and robbed you? Batman? The local vape store? I can take care of myself if, God forbid, just such an occasion occurred
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Just saying if he was a liar and a cheater, I doubt his reaction to the police was one of a trustworthy individual. I have never met him so I don't know. I have known many liars and cheaters in my day though, they get harassed by law enforcement a lot more than I do...
As far as NYC police policies, what dafuq do I care? I don't live there, and for good reason. The police HAVE to be cautious, to the point of being aggressive with everyone just to save their lives. Especially in NYC.
Do their job, then get back to us.
I was in a very frightening situation with a very dishonest cop , I won't go in to details but I went to meet the DA with my attorney and when my attorney informed the DA that he was issuing a supoena for the dashcam film and other records from the police department the charges were promptl dropped , the meeting took less than 30 seconds and the DA looked like he swallowed something nasty . I only regret not filing a lawsuit , if it ever happens again not only will I sue , I will go to every local news agency that I can and make it public . I have close relatives that are police officers and if I even had a hint they behaved that way with anyone they would be barred from my house period .
Oh the day will come where my son looks at porn too. Just not quite yet thankfully. Speaking of which, I really should start thinking of some kind of monitoring system on his computer. He just got laptop for Christmas. Kid thinks he knows more then mommy on electronics, but I'm somewhat in the IT world myself. I'm not the parent for whom he'll have to program things for. In fact, I'm pretty much IT for the family. Poor kid.... No amount of privacy settings in Facebook is going to keep me in the dark...
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I would call the police, so they could come pick up the body.
edit: I'm a law abiding citizen and lawfully carry my pistol. While I don't look for trouble, if trouble finds me and I feel threatened, I'll defend my life, with every round in my magazine.
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