First and foremost, I would advise to read my post more carefully than you did, as I never wrote "I advise not to use MTL". Instead, I wrote "I strongly advise not to RECOMMEND MTL". (Thereby turning it into a standard answer making it look like there exists such a standard answer, that is...) To recommend MTL is to try to push MTL. Don't try to push MTL. Don't try to push MTL just because it worked for you, don't try to push MTL if it didn't work for you, and don't try to push MTL if it could have worked for you. Don't try to push MTL if the FDA pays you to push MTL. Just don't push MTL. Now, as for all those big IFs of yours... if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas. There were no ifs at the time when I wrote my first reply about this whole argument. You only started to add those after that, as that's just how you resort to useless pointscoring as opposed to knowing when you've lost an argument. Meanwhile, vaping has lost way again.
Has vaping lost way?
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Do you actually read my posts before you hit the reply button? Where do you see me recommend high wattage DL gear to quit smoking?
Sorry, buddy...I've kinda lost interest.Do you actually read my posts before you hit the reply button? Where do you see me recommend high wattage DL gear to quit smoking?
Why you singled out MTL?
I never wrote "I advise not to use DTL, RDA, High Wattage,RDA"... but......... I strongly advise not to recommend DTL, RDA, High Wattage, RDA...
I give up.
Of course you've lost interest. The only thing you ever were interested in was to push your own personal opinion on others.
Simple, it's because the post to which I replied was singling out MTL. It really is that obvious.
I strongly advise not to recommend ANY vaping style. I do encourage open discussions about what people think characterizes each different style of vaping, what they like or don't like about the things they've tried, like, for example, "I tried to vape at high wattage by taking long slow drags similar to how I'm used to taking long slow drags vaping at 30 watts, and now I've come to the conclusion I don't like high wattage vaping because it's insanely hot and it's even more insanely harsh making me cough my lungs out", and then my reply would be something more along the lines of "either try taking shorter faster drags or try lowering the wattage, try a little bit of both, experiment by also adjusting the air holes, remember high wattage vaping doesn't work on juice with high nic strength, and BTW throw that Baby Beast in the garbage where it belongs because it can't give you a worthy impression of what high wattage vaping feels or tastes like". Common sense.I never wrote "I advise not to use DTL, RDA, High Wattage,RDA"... but......... I strongly advise not to recommend DTL, RDA, High Wattage, RDA...
I give up.
So you don't want us to recommend a method of vaping that most closely resembles how just about everyone smokes?
i've noticed the vast majority on this forum are doing it wrong.
why can't everybody just vape like me ?
why can't everybody just vape like me ?
Look everyone has to start somewhere. It's easy to say don't "recommend" anything, but like, also, you can't just say "Well everything is different for everyone so I'll let you flail in the wilderness, etc."
Usually saying there are TWO basic styles of vaping (and anyone recommending rebuildables or mechs to newcomers has truly lost their way." And then offering some basic thoughts and descriptions of MTL and DL and hopefully something sort of not too expensive or complicated. Then there is the separate question of pods.
I've already told you how you do it, but trust me, anyone who helps a newcomer is HELPING vaping even if you they think are "doing it wrong."
You could have like, helped a BUNCH of newcomers in the time you took to argue and argue and argue your point.
Also, you may feel vaping is your friend, and I miss Snuffelupegus too, I mean, he was great but the Pc police decided he was bad or something.
I think I'm trying to get your point, but I still think it is not up to YOU and you alone to figure out how every vaper should be approached and your soapbox isn't helping. New vapers are being made all the time and another thing I tell a newcomer? A certain amount of experimentation and money MAY be involved in finding something that works for you because.... that is how it works. Not just gear but juice and everything else. The persistent ones stick with it.
As far as someone making a MTL recommendation to a newcomer, I am not all about stifling free speech OR free advice, whether I agree with it or not, etc.
I don't understand the need or rationale for your insistence I and I doubt I ever will because threats to vaping are emerging from FAR more terrible places than a MTL recommendation for a new vaper, which is as reasonable a place to start as ANY OTHER PLACE because we all start SOMEWHERE.
Anna
Usually saying there are TWO basic styles of vaping (and anyone recommending rebuildables or mechs to newcomers has truly lost their way." And then offering some basic thoughts and descriptions of MTL and DL and hopefully something sort of not too expensive or complicated. Then there is the separate question of pods.
I've already told you how you do it, but trust me, anyone who helps a newcomer is HELPING vaping even if you they think are "doing it wrong."
You could have like, helped a BUNCH of newcomers in the time you took to argue and argue and argue your point.
Also, you may feel vaping is your friend, and I miss Snuffelupegus too, I mean, he was great but the Pc police decided he was bad or something.
I think I'm trying to get your point, but I still think it is not up to YOU and you alone to figure out how every vaper should be approached and your soapbox isn't helping. New vapers are being made all the time and another thing I tell a newcomer? A certain amount of experimentation and money MAY be involved in finding something that works for you because.... that is how it works. Not just gear but juice and everything else. The persistent ones stick with it.
As far as someone making a MTL recommendation to a newcomer, I am not all about stifling free speech OR free advice, whether I agree with it or not, etc.
I don't understand the need or rationale for your insistence I and I doubt I ever will because threats to vaping are emerging from FAR more terrible places than a MTL recommendation for a new vaper, which is as reasonable a place to start as ANY OTHER PLACE because we all start SOMEWHERE.
Anna
Nope....actually, he strongly recommends we stop recommending anything.
...and gives the "useles"advice to throw that Baby Beast in the garbage where it belongs because it can't give you a worthy impression of what high wattage vaping feels or tastes like... but it does not mean he advice or recommends using high wattage... oh no... that would be considered pushing high wattage and he never advice or recomend it...
....he just encourage open discussion about what are benefits of high wattage use and how great flavor it provides but if we complain that it's insanely hot and it's even more insanely harsh making us coughing lungs out he recommend (or is it advice?) to taking shorter faster drags or try lowering the wattage, try a little bit of both, experiment by also adjusting the air holes... low wattage vaping is never satisfying unless it is tiny bit lower than 80 watts but again he is not recommending or advice using high wattage he just express his personal opinion that anything low watt or MTL will not provide satisfying vape to anybody... unless somebody started to vape decade ago when high wattage was not possible...
My stance on it is that I see a lot of cigarette smokers who vape between cigarettes (i.e., dual users) whose chance of successfully quitting cigarette smoking is hampered, often severely, by the fact they can't get a vape experience that is a sufficiently satisfying one. So they still continue to smoke cigarettes just because the vape experience fails to impress them, and, in many cases that I personally have witnessed, they keep struggling like this for months, often abandoning vaping as a result, simply because they refuse to believe or accept even the POSSIBILITY that their choice of vaping style might be the culprit, when the reality is that trying to mimic cigarette smoking by vaping is the best probable way to end up with a vape experience that is not just less, but a LOT less satisfying than real cigarette smoking so it limits their chances in such a way that this limitation could have been avoided by keeping an open mind towards ALL vaping styles instead of assuming things like "ideally it should most closely resemble how just about everyone smokes", as much as possible and as early from the beginning as possible.
I never said I think it is up to me and me alone to figure out how every vaper should be approached. So you are barking up the wrong tree here because the only soapbox thing that I can see is the silly assumption that MTL is the best way to start vaping based on the even sillier assumption that trying to mimic cigarette smoking is necessarily always going to be the brightest among bright ideas.
When I quit smoking and started vaping there were almost no vapers blowing clouds. Most of the "high end" vapors were using mechs. What attracted me to vaping was the MTL style that I used when I smoked. The Joye 510 and the eGo were just what I needed, along with some 24mg juice.
I've swapped drip tips and tried a few of my friends' DTL cloud blowers just to see how it felt. Sure, you can fill a room with vapor, but it's more like exposing that fact that you vape much more than when you smoked cigarettes. It wasn't for me. I'm more of a stealth type. 10W is my sweet spot. We all have preferences, but MTL is where it's at for me.
I've swapped drip tips and tried a few of my friends' DTL cloud blowers just to see how it felt. Sure, you can fill a room with vapor, but it's more like exposing that fact that you vape much more than when you smoked cigarettes. It wasn't for me. I'm more of a stealth type. 10W is my sweet spot. We all have preferences, but MTL is where it's at for me.
I’m kinda lost for words..... Does it really matter on how you vape as long as your not smoking tobacco? There is so much more to life than MTL or DL. Enjoy your Saturday folks, it’s a beautiful day
Okay, I'm kind of done with this. You put words in everyone's mouth, deny making arguments or even like, drawing conclusions from your statements as typically when arguing there will be predicate axioms that are involved, so even though you may not directly "saying something" it can be implied.
I also truly genuinely do not understand why you think all new vapers are steered toward MTL. There have been MANY new vapers show up in the time I've been here who started DL who LOVED DL, and no one ever dissuaded them from anything.
I think it's a bit nutty to claim that new vapers are being PUSHED to MTL when the ONLY time it usually comes up is if someone literally KNOWS NOTHING about either category, in which both types of vaping are explained. Similarly a new vaper having a HARD TIME with DL may receive the suggestion to try MTL especially if the problems they seem to be having are related to the volume of vaper involved.
I would like to see a multi quite from YOU, collecting all the "pushing MTL vape" in the past year excluding those two criteria. Because unless you can PROVE it, I'm done listening to the ranting. Go ahead and show your work, buddy. Because what you are saying is for the most part false, and I'm done with the whining and complaining I did not say that.
IF you believe there is a secret mafia group of MTL "pushers" out there, well PROVE IT.
If anything, new vape stores DO push DL equipment, it costs more, consumes more juice and batteries and etc.
BUT show some posts where the mafia like, DEMANDED posters try MTL if they were already happy with their subohm vapes or ONLY MTL was recommended to a new vaper, and not just by ONE poster, but by the entire thread, all going, "MTL!! MTL!!!" Similar to a scene in the movie "Freaks."
I have never one time attempted to tell a new and happy vaper who was DL it up to knock it off and go to MTL because it's "more like smoking."
Happy, well I leave it alone.
But seriously, I am getting nowhere with you, so I'd like to see axiomatic proof of your claims via links to threads where a happy new DL vaper is told by the community the MUST go to MTL and/or threads where unless the vaper was already in search of their style of vaping and ONLY MTL as an option was explained. And not a rogue poster here and there, THE ENTIRE THREAD.
It just doesn't happen. Routinely claiming a falsehood endears you to absolutely NO ONE.
Anna
I also truly genuinely do not understand why you think all new vapers are steered toward MTL. There have been MANY new vapers show up in the time I've been here who started DL who LOVED DL, and no one ever dissuaded them from anything.
I think it's a bit nutty to claim that new vapers are being PUSHED to MTL when the ONLY time it usually comes up is if someone literally KNOWS NOTHING about either category, in which both types of vaping are explained. Similarly a new vaper having a HARD TIME with DL may receive the suggestion to try MTL especially if the problems they seem to be having are related to the volume of vaper involved.
I would like to see a multi quite from YOU, collecting all the "pushing MTL vape" in the past year excluding those two criteria. Because unless you can PROVE it, I'm done listening to the ranting. Go ahead and show your work, buddy. Because what you are saying is for the most part false, and I'm done with the whining and complaining I did not say that.
IF you believe there is a secret mafia group of MTL "pushers" out there, well PROVE IT.
If anything, new vape stores DO push DL equipment, it costs more, consumes more juice and batteries and etc.
BUT show some posts where the mafia like, DEMANDED posters try MTL if they were already happy with their subohm vapes or ONLY MTL was recommended to a new vaper, and not just by ONE poster, but by the entire thread, all going, "MTL!! MTL!!!" Similar to a scene in the movie "Freaks."
I have never one time attempted to tell a new and happy vaper who was DL it up to knock it off and go to MTL because it's "more like smoking."
Happy, well I leave it alone.
But seriously, I am getting nowhere with you, so I'd like to see axiomatic proof of your claims via links to threads where a happy new DL vaper is told by the community the MUST go to MTL and/or threads where unless the vaper was already in search of their style of vaping and ONLY MTL as an option was explained. And not a rogue poster here and there, THE ENTIRE THREAD.
It just doesn't happen. Routinely claiming a falsehood endears you to absolutely NO ONE.
Anna
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