Help necessary for someone who just cannot grasp the DIY thing
- Thread starter the ob
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
Base 100, target 20 nowdays. From either Xtreme or MFS.
Strange question when quoting my non-Nic PG/VG thingy?
So it goes kind of like this when you spot Ms. Day?
Like a fool
Kinda sick
Special needs
Anyways
I'm not much for celebrities, but could possibly be swayed..
Sure, I do the same type of thing with flavors, taste them on their own, in cool whip, etc. I do see the benefits of testing flavors as you describe. I hope to have time to sit down and try it myself one day.
After you establish that you like X flavor at X percent on its own, what happens when you decide to use it as an accent in a recipe, to add complexity, but not actually be a flavor that you would be able to pick out in the mix? Or am I getting ahead of myself?
Nah, I'm not a celb-admirer myself. I was actually near Ms. Day while I was talking to the bard that was going to help me propose on stage to my girlfriend and I needed a distraction. Talking to her about talking to Day got her attention off the funnyly dressed man with a lute I was interesting in talking to. Good times.
Actually I often test flavors as %'s below where they stand alone. I'll drop those on an atty that has a stand alone flavor in it to get an idea of what it does as a background or spice note. The problem comes when mixing more than 2 flavorings as the interaction between them all can throw things way out.
So I find it good to get the base, or stand alone, flavor level right and then bust that mix into multiple bottles to experiment with spicing it. Sometimes mixing multiple stand alones together and sometimes spice note flavorings to the stand alone base. Depends on how much experience I have with the notes in trying to enhance.
Always start simple (and boring) though so I have a better chance to repeat the great ones.
Actually I often test flavors as %'s below where they stand alone. I'll drop those on an atty that has a stand alone flavor in it to get an idea of what it does as a background or spice note. The problem comes when mixing more than 2 flavorings as the interaction between them all can throw things way out.
So I find it good to get the base, or stand alone, flavor level right and then bust that mix into multiple bottles to experiment with spicing it. Sometimes mixing multiple stand alones together and sometimes spice note flavorings to the stand alone base. Depends on how much experience I have with the notes in trying to enhance.
Always start simple (and boring) though so I have a better chance to repeat the great ones.
one last question for now.
I am still trying to grasp why pre-mixing is better for the base.
If I pre-mix the base and just change the flavoring it will throw off the whole mix right?
Are you all just saying that the change is not enough to worry about and that by pre-mixing it will just make things easier for testing.
Let me run a scenario by all of you. Please tell me why this does or does not work.
lets say I want to do one batch for testing with 5ml of base and flavor.
I would do 5ml of base and .25 ml of flavor. This would get me to 5%
I could then vape it and see how it is.
Then say I want to try 10% with the same tester. Could I just add another .25% to the same bottle without adding any more base?
Because the first batch had the correct mix, by adding the additional flavor does this work?
Does what I am asking make sense?
I am still trying to grasp why pre-mixing is better for the base.
If I pre-mix the base and just change the flavoring it will throw off the whole mix right?
Are you all just saying that the change is not enough to worry about and that by pre-mixing it will just make things easier for testing.
Let me run a scenario by all of you. Please tell me why this does or does not work.
lets say I want to do one batch for testing with 5ml of base and flavor.
I would do 5ml of base and .25 ml of flavor. This would get me to 5%
I could then vape it and see how it is.
Then say I want to try 10% with the same tester. Could I just add another .25% to the same bottle without adding any more base?
Because the first batch had the correct mix, by adding the additional flavor does this work?
Does what I am asking make sense?
I guess is what I am asking is that in the scenario where I make all the different bottles, I will be using a lot of flavoring to test that potentially I will not like.
Is there a way to start with a bottle at a specific ML (say 3) and keep adding flavor to test the higher amounts?
Do I have to keep adding base as well?
Is there a way to start with a bottle at a specific ML (say 3) and keep adding flavor to test the higher amounts?
Do I have to keep adding base as well?
ok. one last annoying post for tonight.
Let me run one last scenario by everyone. Tell me if this would not be the easiest way to test.
Start with 2ml of base.
Add .1 to get to 5% try it. Do not add more base.
Then add another .1 to get to 10% Try it. Do not add more base.
Then add another .1 to get to 15% Try it. Do not add more base
Then add another .1 to get to 20% Try it Do not add more base.
Does this system seem to make sense? I think 2ml should be plenty for testing sake. Please let me know if I am crazy. actually please do not answer that
It seems this would give me round numbers to use and I could add the same amount of flavoring each time. It would also allow me to not waste so much flavoring.
Let me run one last scenario by everyone. Tell me if this would not be the easiest way to test.
Start with 2ml of base.
Add .1 to get to 5% try it. Do not add more base.
Then add another .1 to get to 10% Try it. Do not add more base.
Then add another .1 to get to 15% Try it. Do not add more base
Then add another .1 to get to 20% Try it Do not add more base.
Does this system seem to make sense? I think 2ml should be plenty for testing sake. Please let me know if I am crazy. actually please do not answer that
It seems this would give me round numbers to use and I could add the same amount of flavoring each time. It would also allow me to not waste so much flavoring.If you want to make 5 mL of nicquid with 5% flavoring you would use 4.75 mL of base and .25 mL of flavoring. If you added another .25 mL of flavoring to that same mix you would now have 5.25 mL total with .5 mL of flavoring. Your flavoring % wouldn't actually be 10%; it would be more like 9.5%.
ok. one last annoying post for tonight.
Let me run one last scenario by everyone. Tell me if this would not be the easiest way to test.
Start with 2ml of base.
Add .1 to get to 5% try it. Do not add more base.
Then add another .1 to get to 10% Try it. Do not add more base.
Then add another .1 to get to 15% Try it. Do not add more base
Then add another .1 to get to 20% Try it Do not add more base.
Does this system seem to make sense? I think 2ml should be plenty for testing sake. Please let me know if I am crazy. actually please do not answer that
Your numbers are off slightly.
2 mL of base + .1 mL of flavoring = 2.1 mL total
.1 mL / 2.1 = 4.8%
Add another .1 mL of flavoring = 2.2 mL total
.2 mL / 2.2 = 9.1%
Add another .1 mL of flavoring = 2.3 mL total
.3 mL / 2.3 = 13%
...etc
Your method is fine and will give you a good "general ballpark" for flavoring percentages. It just won't give you quite the nice round numbers you were listing.
Last edited:
so the flavoring dilutes it each time? In this test case, one would probably want to get a 5ml test beaker and add the additional flavoring with some more base each time? I would guess I would fill the beaker and mark where the original came to and then add flavoring and base to get it to the original mark.
the main reason I am asking is that it seems like if you have bottles of flavor that are say, 13ml, that you are using a ton of it in experimenting and losing a lot before you figure it out...
back to doing individual testers.
back to doing individual testers.
To determine the concentration of a flavor you need to divide the amount of flavoring by the total amount of flavoring + base.
That's why Hoosier et al have suggested you don't throw out your sample batches. More experimentation with no (or at least less) waste.
Let's say you mix 5 mL batches at 5%, 10%, 15% and 20% of flavoring. While testing you determine 15% is too strong and 10% is too weak. You then mix the bottles of 10% and 15% and end up with a bottle of 12.5%.
ETA: If that 12.5% bottle is the bee's knees, you can then mix your 20% bottle with your 5% bottle and get another 12.5% bottle.
Last edited:
thank you for your patience. I am just going to do individual bottles and use the calculator correctly.
finally get it. thanks again! It still seems like 5ml is too much. I would think 2ml would be plenty for testing.
You are welcome.
I used 5 mL in my examples because it's easier (for me) to do the math in my head. Use whatever amount suits your fancy.
I used 5 mL in my examples because it's easier (for me) to do the math in my head. Use whatever amount suits your fancy.
Got it. I just will use less so there is lass waste. Inevitably I'll be screwing up a lot
Hey ob, great to see you still in the hunt. If you were one of my old fighters in my club, I'd be telling you "Look, you want this, and you were smart enough to find an expert. Don't give boxing your time, give youself time. Boxing will always be here. You found where the info is." You have found some great DIY experts here. Your doing great. ECF isn't going away. Don't pressure yourself like it may. Keep asking the questions. The same ones over and over and over untill YOU understand. The rewarding thing about coaching(teaching) is figuring out how to turn "my" answeres into "your" understanding. The success you achieve will be the success of the ECF family. Please continue exactly as you are now, and do not say you think you have it, when you don't and then go away because you felt you botherd people to much. I learned the most coaching the near uncoachables. They forced me to analize myself untill I found how to translate boxing in fluid form and verble cues quick and easy so anyone of any age or inteligence learned fast and efficient. The uncoachables almost always became my favorite fighters, and always became the best assistant coaches. Over the years I took 21 kids to amature championship matches. 17 won. In 2003 I had two national championship fighters. And after handing the toarch to one of the uncoachables, he in turn led one of my fighters to a Pan American championship. Thats half the world. When the great DIY coaches get you where you need to be, the launguage, style, approach, and efficiency they will use to help others will in no doubt have your influence. The time spent here will dominoe to mass saving in time helping the next DIY'rs. And as an uncoachable DIY'r myself. I am reading, learning and working on the regurgitation of this info so I may someday be an assistant DIY coach. My goal-teach DIY to Pan America. thats half the world.
Hey ob, great to see you still in the hunt. If you were one of my old fighters in my club, I'd be telling you "Look, you want this, and you were smart enough to find an expert. Don't give boxing your time, give youself time. Boxing will always be here. You found where the info is." You have found some great DIY experts here. Your doing great. ECF isn't going away. Don't pressure yourself like it may. Keep asking the questions. The same ones over and over and over untill YOU understand. The rewarding thing about coaching(teaching) is figuring out how to turn "my" answeres into "your" understanding. The success you achieve will be the success of the ECF family. Please continue exactly as you are now, and do not say you think you have it, when you don't and then go away because you felt you botherd people to much. I learned the most coaching the near uncoachables. They forced me to analize myself untill I found how to translate boxing in fluid form and verble cues quick and easy so anyone of any age or inteligence learned fast and efficient. The uncoachables almost always became my favorite fighters, and always became the best assistant coaches. Over the years I took 21 kids to amature championship matches. 17 won. In 2003 I had two national championship fighters. And after handing the toarch to one of the uncoachables, he in turn led one of my fighters to a Pan American championship. Thats half the world. When the great DIY coaches get you where you need to be, the launguage, style, approach, and efficiency they will use to help others will in no doubt have your influence. The time spent here will dominoe to mass saving in time helping the next DIY'rs. And as an uncoachable DIY'r myself. I am reading, learning and working on the regurgitation of this info so I may someday be an assistant DIY coach. My goal-teach DIY to Pan America. thats half the world.
Thanks for your kind words my friend. I love that you are here. I'm too persistent and stubborn to give up. I will keep going (unfortunately for our helpful friends) until I get it. I appreciate the patience this amazing community has offered and continues to offer. And the support of my friends. This includes you.
- Status
Similar threads
