so I’ve been using a juul the past 3 years but it got so expensive so I thought I’d give a vape a try. I bought an Orion a to use at the house and a innokin endura t18ii to use while I’m at work. The juul uses nicotine salts in the pods so I bought that for my Orion and I had regular juice at 15% nic for my endura. I filled my endura up and let it sit to soak the wick but I seem to be getting absolutely no flavor from it, and also no throat hit. Could it be the juice or the coil? I’m pretty lost.
Help please!
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Probably the juice. Salt nic isn't pod specific either. It won't crack the glass on your tank, and neither will freebase eat your plastic pod (unless it's a lemon Sicily flavor, or similar).
The rule to follow is, don't vape high dose nic at high wattage.
The rule to follow is, don't vape high dose nic at high wattage.
Could you tell us more about the juice you are using at the 15% or was that a typo? What watts are you using on it? Juul pods go as high as 5% or in mg that is 50mg. See the difference? We usually refer the nic strength here at ecf in mg. And i do think that the juice formulas can differ between salts and freebase.
Btw. Welcome to ecf.
Btw. Welcome to ecf.
Welcome! Juul juice is specifically formulated to give a big throat hit IMO. I have some 24mg nic salt juice that does the same thing, even in my Endura T18II so I think you just need the right juice.
It got too expensive after about a month I bet. This implies a certain amount of stubbornness
sure that 15% isn’t 1.5%? 15% is 150mg/ml which is unbelievably strong. The hardest core JUUL juice is 5% or 50mg/ml which is twice as strong as most regular vapes. JUUL is a very low wattage low vapor density stealth vape with extremely strong nic to counter its low volume.
1.5% is 15mg/ml. A 15mg/ml protonated nic should have about the same throat hit as. 7mg/ml unprotonated nic. Or nearly none. Shouldn’t affect flavor though. The juice should in theory have as much flavoring as a higher nic juice.
Could be either. My suspicion is the juice though because of that “15%” thing. Smells like a con. 150mg/ml would have put you on your fanny coughing wildly. JUUL uses juice almost twice as strong as any other maker. Arguably illegally strong. It’s why they play games with using percentages instead of the mg/ml standard that has been used for years. Even it is 1/3rd the published strength of the juice you used though. You may have garbage juice.
Exactly what juice did you buy? A pic of the bottle label wouldn’t hurt.
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I asked the lady at my local vape shop about it and she said that it was her best seller and that she could add nicotine to it to make it 15% but it’s not harsh what so ever, so she very well could have just screwed me over with her knowing that I don’t know much about vapes. I posted a picture below so you could see what the juice was and what the bottle looked like
That looks like 15mg to me.
Didn't you have a chance to sample the juice at the shop? If not, a lot of places make so much profit on their juice that they can afford to offer a satisfaction guarantee.
She probably made .15 mg or 1.5 mg. Because believe me when i tell you you could not possibly vape 15% nic strength. First if you could you would not be wondering about any throat hit plus you would cough so much it would not be possible to vape it at all.
Maybe take the juice back to her and have her up it for you. Did she label the bottle?
What does it say?
Eta. Just looked at the pic. Days 15 mg.
See if they will up it for you.
Maybe take the juice back to her and have her up it for you. Did she label the bottle?
What does it say?
Eta. Just looked at the pic. Days 15 mg.
See if they will up it for you.
Also want to say that maybe if you gave it a few days to allow the nic and the flavoring to blend better the taste may start to return. But its also possible that by upping the nic in juice she had already made up that the additional nic could have diluted the flavor some too. I would just let it sit and try it again tomorrow and then the next day. May be you will have to start learning how to make your own since some vape shops dont make what you need.
I wouldn’t mind doing that at all, but from what I’ve heard it’s pretty expensive to get started, is that true?
Not really. It just depends on how much you want to work with. Ecf has a diy forum where tbe people who mix their own hang out. I will find the link and post it here for you. Scroll thru the thread and find all kinds of info or start a thread yourself. Everyone is very willing to help new and old mixers alike and all are welcome. Be back with a link. Stay tuned. Lol
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With no flavour and no throat hit, are you getting any vapour? If not, the setup might not be working for some reason. What wattage are you using? If I recall correctly, the T18 has high/medium/low rather than number settings, so have you tried it at different settings?
If the device is working properly, you might want more nic. Feel free to try the juice for your Orion in it. As others have mentioned, it's perfectly fine to use either regular or salt nic in whatever device you like. For what it's worth, the picture looks to me like it says 15 mg, which usually means 15 mg/ml (which is equal to 1.5%). I'd guess the shop lady assumed you misspoke and wanted 15 mg/ml. Whatever you do, don't try to vape 15% juice. That would knock you flat. I wouldn't go above 25 mg/ml or so with regular nic, as that usually provides too much throat hit. You could try salt nic up to 30 - 35 mg/ml, but only if the lower concentrations don't work for you. The Juul you're used to is probably 5% (which is 50 mg/ml). The T18 should be providing more vapour per puff than the Juul, so you'll want to have a lower concentration of nicotine to get the same effect.
DIY liquid setup doesn't have to be too expensive if you start out small. You're welcome to look around and ask questions in our DIY forum if you'd like some tips and ideas.
Did you mix it yourself? If not can you share where you purchased?
Thx
I started with less than$50 investment, just to see if I could. Rather figured I’d get something worth vaping, but throw a lot away.
So the smallest (and most expensive per mi) of all the ingredients including a few flavors.
I ended up making more than $50 worth of vapeable juice. So I never went back to commercial stuff.
Start small and simple. Expect some duds.
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