Honest question. is vaping bad for you/ your lungs?

[GBalkam]

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What are you talking about?

This statement "Granted, air is only about 21% Oxygen but fog is NOT a vapor of PG/VG/flavoring/nicotine." although, I had assumed that since this is a vape forum you were referring to vapor, and not actual fog like in an atmospheric condition. Which implies that there are other ingredients, I wanted to know what exactly those other ingredients that were not pg,vg,nicotine and flavoring (and the odd additive to adjust viscosity)

 

[VNeil]

The circular argument is getting old. Nobody can definitively state the level of harm if any and it probably won't happen for many years. Throw in all the different styles of vaping and it's even more complicated. In its entirety around the world, I don't think that vaping is 100% harmless. But my opinion means squat. I do make personal choices based on my opinion and what little research we have available. And by research I mean long term implications.

I think we can all agree as we swim in the unknowns is that vaping unflavored is the safest choice if there is even something to worry about. Which we don't know either way.

Not a circular argument. I asked a simple question that no one is willing or able to answer:

Why is vaping held to an impossible standard that nothing else we ingest or Inhale is held to?

Asking that repeatedly without getting a satisfactory answer is not a circular argument. It is avoiding a simple truth

 

[Alien Traveler]

This statement "Granted, air is only about 21% Oxygen but fog is NOT a vapor of PG/VG/flavoring/nicotine." although, I had assumed that since this is a vape forum you were referring to vapor, and not actual fog like in an atmospheric condition.

Have you read previous posts?

 

[GBalkam]

Was any vaper actually harmed in that spectrometer test? No. That study is an ANTZ study trying desperately to show evidence of harm when all the studies of actual people vaping show no harm at all. I'm sorry, I'm tired of lab rats being asphyxiated in closed containers with eliquid compounds, and vape gear being misused and abused to find trace elements of bad stuff, and lung tissue being killed off in petri dishes. I didn't say you are ANTZ, I said you are heavily propagandize by them, including all the junk science. Find me the piles of bodies of dead vapers and I'll take note.

As far as Rolygate, I realize this is blasphemy but really, he is just one more guy sitting on a rock thinking about what makes sense to him. Show me his technical and scientific credentials and his scientific studies he used to come to his conclusions as to how you should or should not vape. He, like most people here, are convinced, without a shred of evidence, that "something must be wrong with that stuff". And just because you (or Rolygate) believe vaping is "harm reduction" (a term I absolutely detest) does not mean there is any harm at all. You can sit on your rock and believe what you want but it does not make it true. Galileo proved that 500 years ago, why is everyone still sitting on that rock and making stuff up as they go along?

Hence my comment that some may consider rude.

 

[AzPlumber]

no rude was posting a claim with nothing to back it up. How exactly do you define fog? Are you speaking strictly of water vapor caused by a warm air mass encountering a colder air mass or surface, such as air over a pond? Or what is created when a kettle full of water boils? Or are you talking about airborn compounds in gaseous form. Strictly speaking, fog can only be formed by a warm air mass encountering a colder air mass. Since strictly speaking, fog is in fact a weather condition, just like rain or snow.
Now since we understand, that by fog in this case you meant vapor from e-juice, and since we know the ingredients in e-juice, I challenged you, to list your sources to back up your claim.

I challenge you to read the post I was replying to. And no I won't back up my claim that "fog is not a vapor of PG/VG/Flavoring/Nicotine", any reasonable person knows exactly what I was referring to.

 

[GBalkam]

I challenge you to read the post I was replying to. And no I won't back up my claim that "fog is not a vapor of PG/VG/Flavoring/Nicotine", any reasonable person knows exactly what I was referring to.

Ok, sorry. You edited the post you were replying to. The poster actually did refer to atmospheric fog, you removed that part, hence the misunderstanding.
What it appeared like, was regarding vaping fog, that you had referenced those mysterious ingredients that just suddenly materialize from nowhere, like formaldehyde. (Which only occurs when juice is heated far beyond the usable limits, and in which case a vaper would be more in danger from the burns to the respiratory system than any traces of that formaldehyde). Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[mattiem]

Not a circular argument. I asked a simple question that no one is willing or able to answer:

Why is vaping held to an impossible standard that nothing else we ingest or Inhale is held to?

Asking that repeatedly without getting a satisfactory answer is not a circular argument. It is avoiding a simple truth

I know both you and I know the answer to that question. MONEY and for no other reason

 

[VNeil]

I know both you and I know the answer to that question. MONEY and for no other reason

Where it originated, and why, is obvious. The more difficult question is why so many here buy into it...

 

[mattiem]

Where it originated, and why, is obvious. The more difficult question is why so many here buy into it...

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "why so many buy into it". Are you meaning there is more to it than money or in other words, the money BT, BP, BG and smaller state governments are losing? I just want to be clear as to what you are saying. I may just need more coffee

 

[GBalkam]

Where it originated, and why, is obvious. The more difficult question is why so many here buy into it...

What I want to know, is why all the debate? Everyone is focused on vaping and various arguments, and various persons touting for or against opinions and facts... yet one fact is completely ignored... IF vaping is so bad and gov't is so reluctant to allow vapers access to vape products... in what way do they condone the continued sale of tobacco products, other than from a position of greed, selfishness and outright cowardice?

 

[VNeil]

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "why so many buy into it". Are you meaning there is more to it than money or in other words, the money BT, BP, BG and smaller state governments are losing? I just want to be clear as to what you are saying. I may just need more coffee

Why so many vapers buy onto "it isn't proven to be 100% safe", which nothing is, while demanding long term studies that are rarely done on any of the other products we consume. Nor in most cases could be done. Very few people here in this forum will concede that vaping is as harmless as anything else that has been similarly tested. Nor are they willing to hold vaping to the same standard.

 

[GBalkam]

Why so many vapers buy onto "it isn't proven to be 100% safe", which nothing is, while demanding long term studies that are rarely done on any of the other products we consume. Nor on most cases could be done. Very few people here in this forum will concede that vaping is as harmless as anything else that has been similarly tested. Nor are they willing to hold vaping to the same standard.

The funny part is... it hasn't been proven to be harmful either. LOL

 

[wiredlove]

I saw a TV ad recently by a lawyer trolling for talc related injuries....

I guess I picked the wrong week to stop inhaling talc.

 

[Boodaddy]

I'll choose vaping over GMO any day

 

[VNeil]

I'll choose vaping over GMO any day

I'm still waiting for the long term studies of last year's GMO crop. Which is different than the year before. And of course all the research on GMO comes straight out of the laboratories of Monsanto. Kind of like solely relying on tobacco companies for their product safety assurances.

 

[mattiem]

Why so many vapers buy onto "it isn't proven to be 100% safe", which nothing is, while demanding long term studies that are rarely done on any of the other products we consume. Nor in most cases could be done. Very few people here in this forum will concede that vaping is as harmless as anything else that has been similarly tested. Nor are they willing to hold vaping to the same standard.

Thank you. I understand what you meant now. I really don't understand either. Nothing and I do mean NOTHING can be proven to be 100% safe and like you I really don't know why anyone would demand that vaping has to be shown to be. That is actually impossible to do. I am satisfied with at least 95% safer and in fact if the ones that are demonizing vaping would stop all the lies I feel like we will see that it will actually have health benefits for those of us that smoked before we started vaping and maybe even for never smokers. The powers that be will never admit to that though
It seems like some fall back on the fact that years and years ago cigarettes were touted to be safe and then some truth came out. I have gotten kinda flamed a bit before on my thoughts about cigarette harm though. I am pretty sure they are not good for us but I am also pretty sure that a lot of the things attributed to them are, in fact, not true. JMHO

 

[Alien Traveler]

I'll choose vaping over GMO any day

I've chosen vaping over smoking.
Also tried to substitute 0.5L of bourbon and 2 pounds of grilled pork belly with vaping, but with no success.
Will try to convince my wife to roast a goose with prunes and apples, so I may have another substitution attempt.
One must never stop on a road to perfection.

 

[VNeil]

Thank you. I understand what you meant now. I really don't understand either. Nothing and I do mean NOTHING can be proven to be 100% safe and like you I really don't know why anyone would demand that vaping has to be shown to be. That is actually impossible to do. I am satisfied with at least 95% safer and in fact if the ones that are demonizing vaping would stop all the lies I feel like we will see that it will actually have health benefits for those of us that smoked before we started vaping and maybe even for never smokers. The powers that be will never admit to that though
It seems like some fall back on the fact that years and years ago cigarettes were touted to be safe and then some truth came out. I have gotten kinda flamed a bit before on my thoughts about cigarette harm though. I am pretty sure they are not good for us but I am also pretty sure that a lot of the things attributed to them are, in fact, not true. JMHO

We know the govt blatantly lies about vaping. Why would anyone trust anything they say about cigs? I know I don't.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Proof some folks will argue with a fence post.

 

[mattiem]

We know the govt blatantly lies about vaping. Why would anyone trust anything they say about cigs? I know I don't.

exactly! I know they are lying because they are talking. The scariest words ever spoken "We are from the government and we are here to help"