Honest question. is vaping bad for you/ your lungs?

[VNeil]

exactly! I know they are lying because they are talking. The scariest words ever spoken "We are from the government and we are here to help"

20% of the over 50 crowd is known to be diabetic, which is an actual serious disease.

In the same age group only about 12% are smokers and smoking is not a disease, just a risk factor.

According to govt assertions smoking reduces life expectancy by about 10 years

According to govt assertions diabetes reduces life expectancy by 10 years.

According to the govt 480,000 people die each year from smoking related illnesses.

According to the govt 75,000 people die each year from diabetes

According to the govt over 40,000 people die each year from second hand smoke

Am I the only one that thinks the above is a bunch of nonsense?

 

[mattiem]

20% of the over 50 crowd is known to be diabetic, which is an actual serious disease.

In the same age group only about 12% are smokers and smoking is not a disease, just a risk factor.

According to govt assertions smoking reduces life expectancy by about 10 years

According to govt assertions diabetes reduces life expectancy by 10 years.

According to the govt 480,000 people die each year from smoking related illnesses.

According to the govt 75,000 people die each year from diabetes

According to the govt over 40,000 people die each year from second hand smoke

Am I the only one that thinks the above is a bunch of nonsense?

nope, you are not the only one. Some study out there now is trying to assert that smoking causes diabetes Sadly, some folks will believe it

 

[VNeil]

nope, you are not the only one. Some study out there now is trying to assert that smoking causes diabetes Sadly, some folks will believe it

About 1500 infants die each year from SIDS. About 300 of those are attributed to second hand smoke and included in the tallies of smoking related deaths. That's 20% of the SIDS deaths. And that is very roughly the percentage of parents that smoke.

So apparently if you smoke and your child dies of SIDS it is always attributed to smoking.

That's called stacking the deck.

 

[VNeil]

nope, you are not the only one. Some study out there now is trying to assert that smoking causes diabetes Sadly, some folks will believe it

As the smoking rate declines they have to increasingly make stuff up to keep the number up to maintain the 480,000 number that probably originated 30 years ago when almost twice as many people smoked.

 

[VNeil]

The FDA has already banned the mixing of eliquid by vape shops. Simply too dangerous. Of course no one has ever died from a bad eliquid mix or even got sick enough to be hospitalized? But we are told it could happen.

In the meantime over 3000 Americans die each year from food borne illnesses and 150,000 are hospitalized.

Held to the same standards as vaping, all raw foods (meat, poultry and especially raw vegetables) would be outlawed. All food would come from processed food plants operating under strict ISO lab standards.

Especially restaurants which would be limited to serving you Stouffer's shrink-wrapped ready to eat meals. Bars would be prohibited from mixing drinks. Your Gin & Tonic would come premixed in a bottle direct from the distiller.

 

[wiredlove]

Proof some folks will argue with a fence post.

I disagree.

 

[Bob Chill]

Not a circular argument. I asked a simple question that no one is willing or able to answer:

Why is vaping held to an impossible standard that nothing else we ingest or Inhale is held to?

Asking that repeatedly without getting a satisfactory answer is not a circular argument. It is avoiding a simple truth

That's not how this argument reads. At least to me. ECF has been going through this for years with uncountable threads. The only standard vaping is held to is that it is far less harmful than smoking. But some want definitive proof that it is completely harmless. That proof simply doesn't exist. We are all inhaling something over and over day after day year after year. At some point in the future consequences will either show up or they won't.

I'm totally happy with my choice, have zero guilt, and will accept any consequences that may or may not happen years down the road. Bodies are pretty efficient at healing. My total WAG is that if there is any chonic affect (miniscule or problematic) from vaping it will be easily reversed by quitting. Unlike smoking where once you go too far there is no coming back no matter what you do.

 

[DaveP]

That's now how this argument reads. At least to me. ECF has been going through this for years with uncountable threads. The only standard vaping is held to is that it is far less harmful than smoking. But some want definitive proof that it is completely harmless. That proof simply doesn't exist. We are all inhaling something over and over day after day year after year. At some point in the future consequences will either show up or they won't.

I'm totally happy with my choice, have zero guilt, and will accept any consequences that may or may not happen years down the road. Bodies are pretty efficient at healing. My total WAG is that if there is any chonic affect (miniscule or problematic) from vaping it will be easily reversed by quitting. Unlike smoking where once you go too far there is no coming back no matter what you do.

I'm with you, Bob. When I started vaping I knew (or was pretty confident) that it was a less harmful activity than smoking. And, it satisfied the same hand to mouth that I developed while I was smoking. I was able to drop cigarettes like a hot potato once I decided that vaping was my future. I was never able to stop before, although I did quit for 2 years once. A stressful life event made me buy a pack and it was off to the races again.

Do I think it's harmless? No. Do I think it's harmful enough to stop? No. Do I believe that it's an extremely less risky habit than smoking? Yes. Will I continue to vape until I drop? Probably.

Any time we mix chemicals together we create something new. If we heat it or burn it, we create more new chemical compounds. Sometimes, we create harmful compounds in miniscule amounts and sometimes we create bad stuff if we abuse the mixture or add other things to the mix.

I'm not worried about vaping being the thing that finally takes me out, but I'm interested in NOT doing things that might be harmful. People who vape need to know how to do it the safest way possible. There's been extremely few lab tests that show any level of harm that would worry me.

My gut feeling is that if it's actually very harmful we would have heard about it by now from the world of science and medicine and most certainly from the FDA.

 

[DaveP]

We cheerfully take part in the consumption of things that aren't particularly good for us. Our doctors advise us to lower our sugar and fat intake. Even the food we eat isn't 100% good for us. It's full of by products of farming and the government even allows small percentages of insects and bacteria just because it's impossible or too costly to ensure that they are prevented or removed.

12 Disturbing Chemicals Commonly Found in Everyday Products

 

[Boodaddy]

I've chosen vaping over smoking.
Also tried to substitute 0.5L of bourbon and 2 pounds of grilled pork belly with vaping, but with no success.
Will try to convince my wife to roast a goose with prunes and apples, so I may have another substitution attempt.
One must never stop on a road to perfection.

LOL. Keep the Bourbon, and switch to spam. Problem solved, unless you wanna try my tofu pork belly. lolol

 

[AzPlumber]

Ok, sorry. You edited the post you were replying to. The poster actually did refer to atmospheric fog, you removed that part, hence the misunderstanding.

You do realize that IF a post has been edited it is noted in the bottom right hand corner of the post if and when an edit was made? But I'll give you points for tenacity.

 

[VNeil]

We cheerfully take part in the consumption of things that aren't particularly good for us. Our doctors advise us to lower our sugar and fat intake. Even the food we eat isn't 100% good for us. It's full of by products of farming and the government even allows small percentages of insects and bacteria just because it's impossible or too costly to ensure that they are prevented or removed.

12 Disturbing Chemicals Commonly Found in Everyday Products

NO!!!!! Don't tell me everything else we consume isn't 100.000% safe???

 

[OlderNDirt]

The FDA regularly approves prescription drugs with a multitude of side effects, many of which are highlighted in lawyer advertisements years later claiming those drugs were bad and if you took them, you should be compensated for ever having been given a prescription for said drug.

Yet the FDA, many in the general population, and evidently even some vapers not only think, but demand vaping and/or juice must be proven 100% safe?

I don't have any specifics, but I would wager more people have been admitted to a hospital in the last 10 years for eating spinach or lettuce then from vaping. I vape, but I ain't eating that !

 

[VNeil]

The FDA regularly approves prescription drugs with a multitude of side effects, many of which are highlighted in lawyer advertisements years later claiming those drugs were bad and if you took them, you should be compensated for ever having been given a prescription for said drug.

Yet the FDA, many in the general population, and evidently even some vapers not only think, but demand vaping and/or juice must be proven 100% safe?

I don't have any specifics, but I would wager more people have been admitted to a hospital in the last 10 years for eating spinach or lettuce then from vaping. I vape, but I ain't eating that !

Actually salad is the most dangerous thing we consume. More e-coli than meat or poultry. 150,000 people a year are admitted to hospitals each year with food borne illnesses, about 3000 die. How many people have ever been admitted to a hospital from vaping? Zero?

 

[VNeil]

Actually salad is the most dangerous thing we consume. More e-coli than meat or poultry. 150,000 people a year are admitted to hospitals each year with food borne illnesses, about 3000 die. How many people have ever been admitted to a hospital from vaping? Zero?

In fact vaping is the safest thing we consume, by a large margin, based on hospital admittance and mortality

 

[OlderNDirt]

In fact vaping is the safest thing we consume, by a large margin, based on hospital admittance and mortality

But it's the lungs, man.....the lungs! Think about the lungs! And.....and...and the children! Yeah! And the children's lungs! It has never been proven that salad does no damage to children's lungs, ergo salad should be regulated! PMTA'S for each and every component!

 

[jwilkers]

We could all be killing ourselves. Instead of sincere medical research, taxpayer dollars go to political debates and regulation. I do know, I feel better now than I did when I smoked.

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[jwilkers]

I wonder what color is the organs of the max vg crowd !?

Yeah. One of the drawbacks of new technology. I've still got a while left; but I'll try to remember to require my lungs go to vape researchers, unless someone beats me to it[emoji2]

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[VNeil]

We could all be killing ourselves. Instead of sincere medical research, taxpayer dollars go to political debates and regulation. I do know, I feel better now than I did when I smoked.

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We could all be killing ourselves with green beans, ya know

The govt is not funding the right tests because it knows it won't like the null result it will get

 

[DC2]

EDIT: when giving advice, especially advice based on belief, it is better be safe than sorry. When sorting things for yourself - everybody welcome to apply his beliefs in full strength.

I try to never give advice, because I don't want the responsibility.
What I do try to do is give my opinion, and offer some insight as to what I do NOT know.

Giving a person everything you know is good.
Telling a person what you really do NOT know is also good.

After that, they gotta do what they gotta do.

Not a circular argument. I asked a simple question that no one is willing or able to answer:

Why is vaping held to an impossible standard that nothing else we ingest or Inhale is held to?

Where it originated, and why, is obvious. The more difficult question is why so many here buy into it...

I think people are worried that lungs are very delicate and sensitive organs.
But also yes, there are DEFINITELY some leftover brainwashing effects acting on many vapers.

As for vaping, I believe that some day it may be shown to be GOOD FOR YOU.
ESPECIALLY if you are using it to ingest moderate amounts of nicotine.

And even more so if you are using unflavored, which I am not.


But I'm not going to straight up advise people to do it.

Although I do often suggest that my wife could benefit from it.
I'm willing to accept the responsibility of giving her advice.