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I hate to add another headaches for you zen, but I remember you saying that the reason you went with the metallic top cap instead of the clear like your prototype was bc the poly would discolor and become impossible to clean over time....so umm I guess I was just wondering, not now with everything on your plate, but maybe in the future there would be an accessory added to the line that would let us, or others watching us vape, see the vapor production in the atty section as we take a toot. Sorry, but I love that look on your prototype and the idea of watching the vape build up as you inhale, just throwing it out there
Edit: this is assuming you buy this stock in the fused quarts companies you've been talking about, seems like this is a material that will hold up to a dishwasher or alcohol to be able to remain clear.
Edit: this is assuming you buy this stock in the fused quarts companies you've been talking about, seems like this is a material that will hold up to a dishwasher or alcohol to be able to remain clear.
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LOL the top caps are already made, no sense to even justify redoing that at any point in time unless it was cost effective later on
besides, its not just cutting the fused quartz for the atty section...there's a hole that needs to be drilled too....more machine work for that lol....as far as the fused quartz tanks Mike? go for it...at least I'll get to hold onto your prototype for a while longer
regardless, I think we should just let Zen go with whatever idea he wants....he designed em, he's tested them, researched a ton of stuff....he knows these pv's...they are his baby, so it's better if we just let him go with it.... the new tanks will be the icing on top of the already awesome cake.... they will be even bigger masterpiecses than the originals a few days extra is no skin off any of our backs...
edit: even with the extra wait, as Zen has posted earlier, these will STILL be done before originally scheduled dont worry, be happy
a few days extra is no skin off any of our backs...edit: even with the extra wait, as Zen has posted earlier, these will STILL be done before originally scheduled
dont worry, be happy
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LOL the top caps are already made, no sense to even justify redoing that at any point in time unless it was cost effective later on
as far as the fused quartz tanks Mike? go for it...at least I'll get to hold onto your prototype for a while longer
That's why I was saying later on as an accessory...and the air hole could be drilled in the top metal cap that sat on the quartz atty section, I'm just going by guesswork and what I see in Zen's pic of the prototype, but since the wick is not centered I think a hole in the top cap that could be spun inside the quartz would still give the adjustable TH that the standard gets be having hole in the metal side of atty cover... Just something to throw out there for the future, there must be a reason why the first one zen made had the clear atty section...he liked it, and I think we all trust his judgement...just wanted to point out it might be worth revisiting now that this new material is available....
Also if he has to order in bulk, getting a portion cut at the shorter length and making them into a zencessory later on might help him offset cost...
Edit: I agree, whatever he decides to do I will buy, just trying to make him aware there might be demand for an accessory later on, I would never suggest halting production to make that the production model, something I could buy in 6 months would be nice tho.....also would the Zenjector be getting this quartz upgrade as well??
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LOL the air hole is drilled in the spot for a reason....in direct relation to the coil for throat hit adjustablility...if you put it in the top, there is none, or very little adjustment
....one of the biggest reasons I surmise for making a one piece top cap, is to make less parts, and make it more cost effective....more parts = more things that can go wrong.... I myself like the cleaner look of NOT having both sections 'under glass'... seeing the juice is one thing...its another to have a portion to see through that i dont even pay attention to when i'm vaping, I'm not staring at my pv ;PI know that zen made all the originals by hand.. it was easier to make the parts he did, that way originally...the metal was made out of a solid pc of aluminum, not from a tube....for him at the time it was just easier for him to do. now that he has a machine shop doing a lot of the work for him, it's easier, cheaper and cleaner to make the caps the way they are.... (also less o rings to go bad over time)
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You guys will like the quartz tube...mine have been going strong now for two years come mid-March. Comes time to clean it I just pull it apart...wipe the gunk off with an alcohol swab and it looks like a brand new tube ready to go again....it is some tough stuff.
Good choice Zen...good luck with it.
Good choice Zen...good luck with it.
LOL the air hole is drilled in the spot for a reason....in direct relation to the coil for throat hit adjustablility...if you put it in the top, there is none, or very little adjustment
Lol hope u don't take this as confrontational, but I don't agree..lol sry man but i think look is subjective that's why having it as an accessory or zencessory could be a good idea...u don't like that look but myself other zenfidels (and I'm guessing zen, as it was his original design) might like it as an additional cost option...I agree with more parts = more headaches but would be willing to pay more for that accessory and deal with related headaches to have what I think is cool, and having my one piece production model metal cap as a back up...as for TH I'm pretty sure that it could still be adjustable, been a while since I've done much in the way of fluid dynamics, but I think if u lined the hole directly on top of the coil u would get your hard TH and as you rotate it toward 180 degrees from that position it would get less as you are pulling in air that would be farther from coil as it enters and leaves chamber through the drip tip... Like I said tho I have not held one yet so I will defer to you and zen in all areas genesis, just my double penny
might work for some but i like ss on everything, I will drop it and ss will be more durable. I can see the vapor when i exhale.
I humbly bow to you who knows more than I, I guess that makes sense, at the risk of holding on to it tho...1 more oring is something I can deal with lol jk, I'll just put those two pennies back in my Zentanium piggy bank lol
you can disagree all you want....it has nothing to do with fluid dynamics...its the airflow into the chamber across the coil...your liquid flow doesnt change, you have the same amount wicking up all the time if you draw the same each time ...you have to think in the terms of aerodynamics, which I'm well versed in......the hole you suggest will be above a small section of the coil if in the top cap. it will pull air through that hole and through the drip tip, and more air will bypass that coil...in your theory i definitely disagree in the TH area. in it's current spot, you can rotate it where the hole is completely centered in the middle of the coil. as you draw air, the highest throat hit will pull air right into the middle of the coil as well as a higher rate of adjustability in the warmth of the air and vapor coming in contact with the coil... the further away your fresh air is to that coil, the cooler it's going to be. the centered hole in the side will be a lot closer than a hole in the top cap in relation to the coil anyways
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the thing about a hole in the top... you will be sucking it right out through the drip tip. it wouldn't flow over the coil like it should. you want the hole as close to the bottom as you can
Zen~, I am still struggling with whether or not to jump on the Titanium list. Part of my dilemma is financial, which, of course, you can't help me with.
But the other part is the size of the Standard relative to my feminine, and exceedingly attractive small hands. I know the length and diameter relative to the Mini from your website but don't recall reading anything in the thread about weight. And the fused quartz may have changed things, too.
Anyway, I am curious - can you tell us the weight of the Standard, Zentenium, (I still prefer TiZen but you're the boss) and Mini for comparison's sake?
But the other part is the size of the Standard relative to my feminine, and exceedingly attractive small hands. I know the length and diameter relative to the Mini from your website but don't recall reading anything in the thread about weight. And the fused quartz may have changed things, too.
Anyway, I am curious - can you tell us the weight of the Standard, Zentenium, (I still prefer TiZen but you're the boss) and Mini for comparison's sake?
How much less likely, if at all, would it be for a polycarbonate tank to break versus a fused quartz tank if Zenesis PVs that had them were dropped from a few feet onto concrete? If you kept dropping them until one tank broke, which one would probably break?
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ive seen pyrex be chucked against concrete walls (from my bad pot filled days....) and it just bounced. a popular pyrex tank supplier on ecf has videos of his tanks being dropped. with that being said this stuff is a lot stronger. ill take my chances with the quartz than the plastic. i dont even keep my juices in plastic bottles.
I agree 100% it wouldn't be As Adjustable or adjustable to the same extremes...and NIN I realize it would be traveling that short distance and right up the tip, but it would still technically adjustable, and even if it werent, I'd give that up to be able to see the genesis atty it is one of the main things that makes this mod different from a SB with a ce2 tank lol....I guess I'm the only one that feels this way so will drop it, and go cry in the corner for a bit
It is, in fact, entirely true. Not only can fused quartz be called a glass, it is a glass by definition
Fused quartz and fused silica material grades : Heraeus Quarzglas
Synthetic Sapphira vs. Glass, Fused Quartz & Silica | Rayotek Scientific Inc.
Glass Properties, Technical Data for Borosilicate and Silica Quartz
Fused quartz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Glass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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It is a common misconception that glass is a liquid; it is an amorphous solid.
http://dwb.unl.edu/teacher/nsf/c01/c01links/www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html
http://www.glasslinks.com/newsinfo/physics.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass
Plenty more out there.
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