House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

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Landlord

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Funny thing i already had a new coil wrapped of the 30Ga. when i read Mike's post. So i figured, what the heck might as well try it now.. Now that its wicking i have to say it seems like 5 wraps is a lil warmer then three wraps of the 32Ga. Don't care for it too much, i like the cooler vape.. Also there no chain vaping with this.. Im running the 400 mesh with 80/20 juice, tilting it and all and the wick has a hard time keeping up with the coil.. Flavor is meh! Throat hit is crazy.... Vapor is nice.. Blowing through the juice!
 

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Funny thing i already had a new coil wrapped of the 30Ga. when i read Mike's post. So i figured, what the heck might as well try it now.. Now that its wicking i have to say it seems like 5 wraps is a lil warmer then three wraps of the 32Ga. Don't care for it too much, i like the cooler vape.. Also there no chain vaping with this.. Im running the 400 mesh with 80/20 juice, tilting it and all and the wick has a hard time keeping up with the coil.. Flavor is meh! Throat hit is crazy.... Vapor is nice.. Blowing through the juice!

I'm using the 325 and the wire that came with it with 3 coils.
Thicker juices just hit me after inhale. I think I either need more wraps or thinner juice.
 

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Havnt tried the 325, been going through all y thinner juices.. Im still using the same mesh that it came with. I just open it up, rinse it wit water re- roll it and wrap a coil.. Ive wrapped three coils on it so far, but thats just because the first one was wrapped by the previous owner of this standard and when i received it the tank was shattered and the withk was all mangled.. poor packing job.. couldn't believe it when i opened it..
 

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Voltron is a Standard with the same battery life, but being made of Titanium he will be much faster because he is lighter and more nimble.

Besides He's frackin Voltron! He is made of several Lions. Lionel is just some cat from a weird moon and he will go down in the 1st round while he is grooming himself.


Edit: Okay, so Thundera is a planet. I think Lunataks and Mumm-Ra were from a moon.

Interesting Fun Fact: It's Lion-O, for "O" you just got pwned by Voltron.

I always thought it was Lionel too, but Wikipedia says otherwise.

I have a Ti standard on deck as well lol....But can't name before holding it

Vapor, vapor, vapor-clouds Hooooooo!!
 

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The switch looks kind of simple, doesn't it?

But in reality, it's amazingly complex!

One thing that most people don't think about is that most switches have springs in them, and that spring carries the current from the switch contact to the body of the PV.

Well, those springs really sink a lot of current and rob the PV of power!

With the magnetic switch, there's no spring, so has anybody wondered how the current conducts to ground?

The Switch button has a slight amount of "play" in it... so when you push the button it tips a little to the side, and when the side of the button scrapes along the side of the switch housing/battery cover... it makes electrical contact across a pretty wide area conducting WAY more current than a spring ever could.

So long story short, the scraping is normal and entirely necessary!

People have asked why I don't use a flat top screw on the switch... and the reason is that a flat top can prevent the switch button from rocking to the side, and prevents it from firing.

A lot of thought went into something that looks really simple.

And some do make a little more noise than others... perfectly normal

I like the switch and I completely understand the complexity. The Zenesis switch is a beautifully elegant solution for sure.

Even though the design requires that the parts rub together, you can get rid of the noise if it bothers you. What I do is put a bit of noalox on a paper towel and wipe all the parts of the switch with it so that there is a microscopic layer of noalox all over the parts which lubricates and quites the parts and enhances the electrical connection between the parts.

This way the connection is excellent AND the switch is silent :)
 

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I'll behave, no need to have any forum administrations intervene here.
But in all honesty and strictly theoretically, why won't genesis mods work at 6v? I agree that 3.7v is definitely adequate to power our mesh wick atomizers, but I just haven't come up with any sort of a logical explanation as to why a 10 wrap 32g coil around a genesis atty will pop at 6v, but the same coil will hold up fine when wrapped around a silica wick. Does the oxidization just not hold up?

It's not that it cannot be done, it is just that there is no need for it. You can get the wattage (heat) needed and then some from 3.7 volts. I have setup a number of Genisis mods to run 6v with no issues whatsoever. You can use 34 or 36 ga kanthal to get higher resistance from less wraps and easily deal with 6v or 7.4v, but I find that the only real thing accomplished by doing this is running through 2 batteries at once instead of one.

You also have to be VERY comfortable with the Genisis to do this right because you need to be able to get ALOT of juice to the coil very quickly when you run a Genisis at HV and this is where most people have the biggest problem successfully running a HV Genisis setup.

Just clearing this up for you bro, I know you mean no disrespect for Zen or anyone else in here so hopefully this explains it for you and anyone else wondering the same thing :)
 

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Hey guys, besides the size, whats the difference between the different gauge Kanthal? I have 30 and 32.. Im figuring the thicker the wire the more power can travel through it.. Also the thicker the wire, the more area cover on the wick, correct? Is this a bad thing? Will it take the thicker wire longer to heat up?

Zen, why was 32Ga. your choice for the Zenesis? Is it just a good medium?

The 30ga wire will have a lower resistance per inch so to achieve the same resistance more wire is needed. You will end up running 6 or 7 coil wraps to ge the same resistance as 4 wraps with 32 ga wire so it will be slightly more difficult to wrap the coils so closely. Because of this lower resistance, the coil will get hotter faster and so will actually increase performance, but be careful. Thicker wire with less resistance if wrapped without enough coils will show the battery a very high load (approaching hostile) and if you are not using a very high quality battery as recommended by Zen~ you could create a dangerous situation for yourself.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing bad about 30ga kanthal wire, you just need to realize that it does produce a much lower resistance coil than 32ga wire so you need to make sure that you have enough coils to stay in the safe range. Also when needing to wrap many coils it is much harder to wrap them properly because the greater potential for shorts due to the greater number of coils around the wick.

Sorry if I am all over the place on this, I tend over explain things sometimes :)

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And it looks like I was late to the party too, lol, should have read more before posting this ;)
 
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The 30ga wire will have a lower resistance per inch so to achieve the same resistance more wire is needed. You will end up running 6 or 7 coil wraps to ge the same resistance as 4 wraps with 32 ga wire so it will be slightly more difficult to wrap the coils so closely. Because of this lower resistance, the coil will get hotter faster and so will actually increase performance, but be careful. Thicker wire with less resistance if wrapped without enough coils will show the battery a very high load (approaching hostile) and if you are not using a very high quality battery as recommended by Zen~ you could create a dangerous situation for yourself.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing bad about 30ga kanthal wire, you just need to realize that it does produce a much lower resistance coil than 32ga wire so you need to make sure that you have enough coils to stay in the safe range. Also when needing to wrap many coils it is much harder to wrap them properly because the greater potential for shorts due to the greater number of coils around the wick.

Sorry if I am all over the place on this, I tend over explain things sometimes :)

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And it looks like I was late to the party too, lol, should have read more before posting this ;)

haha thats fine, yea i don't care for the 30 too much
 

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i hate having zenesis withdrawl...... to know where it is and not be able to get it is horrible!!!! that fishing trip cost me over 500 bucks. not the first time.......and wont be my last. damn me for loving fishing. on the plus side we loaded the boat with over 12 trout after my misadventures, yum! kentucky is gonna wind up killing this city boy. o well it's a fun way to die!
 

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Okay folks. Please forgive me. My wife already thinks I am obsessed with these e-cigs and supplies and she even vapes! Well, I've been staking the "Zen" threads and website and tonight I think I got my answer.

She started a pot if beans for tomorrow and low-and-behold lookie what the beans are telling me to buy.....:D
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No kidding...Continue on with business as usual:toast:
 
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