Houston, we have a problem...BE nic titration results
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I should have read more of the posts, thanks. I think I need to go to bed now.
I have been thinking of something for a few days. When this started back in September, there was a thread entitled Box Elder feels WAYYYY to strong. That thread has since been locked by Rolygate.
Something that concerns me is that Aut0tek, the OP of this thread, stated that he was affected by vaping Box Elder nicotine (as a DIY project) -- see link below. His words were: "But vaping it is like eating a boric acid brownie." But the most alarming statement in his post was that he had vaped about 30 inhalations of that nicotine and was very nauseous.
OP has not logged onto ECF since that post on September 30. Is he ill? Lungs trashed? Is he dead? Where is he?
While I respect people’s privacy, this is a grim urgency that seems like it would be okay to violate his privacy by ECF management eMailing him at his personal eMail address to check to make sure he’s okay and to notify him that he has a very high dosage of nictotine. That’s the least they could do for him since he’s the one who first started the original thread alerting all of us and saving us from further grief.
What does everyone else think? Any input? I am really worried about him.
See posts #1, #8 and #10 in link below.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-nic-feels-wayyyy-too-strong.html#post4142259
Please and thank you, Sea
Something that concerns me is that Aut0tek, the OP of this thread, stated that he was affected by vaping Box Elder nicotine (as a DIY project) -- see link below. His words were: "But vaping it is like eating a boric acid brownie." But the most alarming statement in his post was that he had vaped about 30 inhalations of that nicotine and was very nauseous.
OP has not logged onto ECF since that post on September 30. Is he ill? Lungs trashed? Is he dead? Where is he?
While I respect people’s privacy, this is a grim urgency that seems like it would be okay to violate his privacy by ECF management eMailing him at his personal eMail address to check to make sure he’s okay and to notify him that he has a very high dosage of nictotine. That’s the least they could do for him since he’s the one who first started the original thread alerting all of us and saving us from further grief.
What does everyone else think? Any input? I am really worried about him.
See posts #1, #8 and #10 in link below.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-nic-feels-wayyyy-too-strong.html#post4142259
Please and thank you, Sea
Kurt had said that a pH meter with 3 digits past the decimal was needed to estimate nic concentration. I'm finding it hard to find any affordable meters with that resolution that are not like 15 years old, and with all the probe maintenance issues. Here's one lab's instructions on using and maintaining their VWR pH meter:
http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/rhic/documents/HIC-4-0012Approved.pdf
The point is if all you want to test is an occasional nic bottle, keeping a pH meter on wet standby is no small thing.
And in addition, don't the pH based assays (including the titration method) rely on the assumption that the only base in the liquid is nicotine? And what about dextro-Nicotine? Couldn't you titrate 272 mg/ml nicotine but that was all dextro isomer, and hence equivalent to about 135 mg/ml active levo-nicotine?
The trick would be to develop a way to take a quick read of actual nicotine concentration +/- 10-20 % say with inexpensive and easy to maintain gear.
p.s. Why did Rolygate lock that thread Aut0tek was posting on?
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Sea, this has been bothering me, too. At first I thought the OP's lack of response may have been due to people coming down pretty hard on those who spoke up. Now I'm not so certain. Surely admin or one of the mods could email him to see if he's okay, couldn't they?
Someone mentioned that earlier in this thread and someone else mentioned something about him being more active on facebook than here, but I don't think it was ever verified.
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Why would he inhale it 30 times? This makes no sense.
This is a case of a person (or a couple of people trying to burn the candles at both ends).
I bought BE nic in july. Lots 256(pg) 257(vg) both 36mg. I use it about 50% of the time. I would say I am 80% happy with it... Has a taste I cant eliminate but can live with. The last batch I received in sept is 257 but the bottle is now clear instead of blue and the nic appears bright amber. I poured some of the older nic into a clear container and the color is identical.
I have also bought juice from gourmet vapor. The last order was truly awful, and i'm done with that vendor.
The thing in common were really poor shipping times.
I don't think this was a malicious act. A dozen people on this board are losing their minds over not such a huge deal.
I'm pretty sure vaping 27 % nicotine wouldn't just make you think...MMM ...This sure is a strong batch i whipped up!
Kurt said it made him run for his respirator.
Never the less it is serious.. The vendor is aware and hopefully alot of people get educated on the dangers that can be found and corrected with diy.
This is awake up call.
(off ma box now)
Don
This is a case of a person (or a couple of people trying to burn the candles at both ends).
I bought BE nic in july. Lots 256(pg) 257(vg) both 36mg. I use it about 50% of the time. I would say I am 80% happy with it... Has a taste I cant eliminate but can live with. The last batch I received in sept is 257 but the bottle is now clear instead of blue and the nic appears bright amber. I poured some of the older nic into a clear container and the color is identical.
I have also bought juice from gourmet vapor. The last order was truly awful, and i'm done with that vendor.
The thing in common were really poor shipping times.
I don't think this was a malicious act. A dozen people on this board are losing their minds over not such a huge deal.
I'm pretty sure vaping 27 % nicotine wouldn't just make you think...MMM ...This sure is a strong batch i whipped up!
Kurt said it made him run for his respirator.
Never the less it is serious.. The vendor is aware and hopefully alot of people get educated on the dangers that can be found and corrected with diy.
This is awake up call.
(off ma box now)
Don
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Great job Kurt - everyone appreciates the great work you are doing!
I recall being a bit surprised by the color of the BE Nic I received. I have a bottle of 48mg/ml lot #256 - it is unopened so I do not know what it smells like.
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Rolygate (your post was back a couple of hundred pages but I wanted to make a couple of points)- IF someone suffers ACTUAL HARM, it would be prosecutable(criminal) or actionable(civil) in the jurisdiction where the HARM occurred.
I am confident that if the error that appears to have occurred actually has occurred, then it was certainly not done knowingly. However, there is no question that a "Chemical Company" SHOULD KNOW that the product they are sending to their customers is correctly labeled. I think it rises to the level of gross negligence when the labeling error results in customers who are expecting to receive a product that is normally dangerous but safe to handle with proper precautions instead unknowingly receive a product that is deadly when not handled with extreme precautions and proper training.
I realize that Box Elder is apparently avoiding admitting any possible error in an attempt to avoid liability. However, if, God forbid, anyone does suffer any physical harm from this fiasco, and it is proved that they were negligent, their failure to mitigate possible harm to their customers at this point, when all available evidence points to the fact that their has been an error, will most likely destroy them.
I recall being a bit surprised by the color of the BE Nic I received. I have a bottle of 48mg/ml lot #256 - it is unopened so I do not know what it smells like.
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Rolygate (your post was back a couple of hundred pages but I wanted to make a couple of points)- IF someone suffers ACTUAL HARM, it would be prosecutable(criminal) or actionable(civil) in the jurisdiction where the HARM occurred.
I am confident that if the error that appears to have occurred actually has occurred, then it was certainly not done knowingly. However, there is no question that a "Chemical Company" SHOULD KNOW that the product they are sending to their customers is correctly labeled. I think it rises to the level of gross negligence when the labeling error results in customers who are expecting to receive a product that is normally dangerous but safe to handle with proper precautions instead unknowingly receive a product that is deadly when not handled with extreme precautions and proper training.
I realize that Box Elder is apparently avoiding admitting any possible error in an attempt to avoid liability. However, if, God forbid, anyone does suffer any physical harm from this fiasco, and it is proved that they were negligent, their failure to mitigate possible harm to their customers at this point, when all available evidence points to the fact that their has been an error, will most likely destroy them.
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That was me that mentioned it earlier, Pretty. I went into his Profile Page and poked around to see if he had posted - wanted to see if he was posting which would make me think he was okay. He's been a member for a year - kinda strange he's been gone a month and kind of worrisome that his last post stated that he was sick - "nauseous" is the way he put it.
Yeah, people were pretty hard on some of the posters, weren't they. And that sweet little smallmam - I think they scared her away - and here she was just trying to identify with OP's findings. I hope she comes back to us - that would brighten my day.
I sure hope the OP is ok. BE will more than likely be out of business soon IMHO. With the bad PR, I can't help but think that most if not everyone here, including vendors will avoid them. And with good reason.
p.p.s. BTW, I'm in CA. Why am I seeing the big red letters when I try to look at that kit e-bay listing that say:
Unfortunately, access to this particular listing or item has been blocked due to a Paris commercial court decision that bans trade of certain authentic perfumes and cosmetic products on eBay because of French selective distribution laws. eBay is appealing this ruling but is nevertheless required to enforce it. We are blocking your viewing in an effort to comply with this court decision. Regrettably, in some cases, we may prevent users from accessing items that are not within the scope of the decision because of limitations on existing technology.
This is only on Chrome, and on that PC. Who/what is sharing info with e-bay about me, apparently that I have purchased/shipped something for a friend in France? and NOT on e-bay!!! This is whole 'nother can o' worms, how Google breaks the normal barrier between your web browser and your e-mail and identity.
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Who got sick? The OP?
I can feel like crap after hotboxing a marlboro.
That is exactly my point.
D.
I can feel like crap after hotboxing a marlboro.
That is exactly my point.
D.
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@PONKAW, it's delicate. I agree, that people are going a bit hysterical here. But the INCHEM site says the mean lethal dose in humans is 40-60mg. I assume for someone with zero tolerance. But even for us non-virgins, don't you think it's a little close for comfort? If that 272mg/ml stuff is all levo-nic, 60 mg is but a fraction of a milliliter.
I bought BE Nic 100mg/ml in VG Lot 255. It's almost a year old and it still seems good and not especially high or low.
Yep, on the other thread some ppl got sick, and on this thread too. I would go fetch the post i.d.'s for you, but I have to go to bed now. I just wanted to stay up and see how the London and Euro forex markets opened. Chat y'all tomorrow.
And that is not enough. It's just as easy to start up again under another name. They need to be accountable and/or traceable.
For anyone wanting the nicotine test kit you can go to eLiquid DIY Nicotine Test Kit - They have direct links to the e-bay listing or you have the option of ordering directly from the website. For some reason, the website price is $1.50 higher then the e-bay price.
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