If I thought that there was even a remote possibilty that I could go zero nic right now and still stay tobacco free I would be giving it one heck of a shot! The entire industry is just scary in so many ways.
Houston, we have a problem...BE nic titration results
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If one looks at the numbers they are all over the place ! Not even a mislabelling error could account for it. It looks like they were pouring tea at a service station. It's beyond words ...
It appears they just don't care. If they did they would have taken this more serious back then and now.
The thing is that I have been aware of not getting the correct nic level from vendors just from my own reaction to it. I started DIY thinking that I would actually know what I am using and now thats a joke.
I should rephrase that to say it actually always has been a joke now I am just more aware of it
I should rephrase that to say it actually always has been a joke now I am just more aware of it
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Right and I tend to believe that it is all about fast money for many of them. Not all but many.
So the general consensus seems to be that they:
1. Mislabeled some products
2. Mixed nic stronger than intended
3. Denied that it was even a possibility
4. Isn't taking responsibility
5. Is spouting claims that it's someone out to get them because those results can't POSSIBLY be right
6. Brad is a CEO, again, and again, and again....to infinity and beyond!
7. Can't keep their stories straight, makes conflicting statements (thanks Kay)
Does that about cover it? Or did I miss something?
1. Mislabeled some products
2. Mixed nic stronger than intended
3. Denied that it was even a possibility
4. Isn't taking responsibility
5. Is spouting claims that it's someone out to get them because those results can't POSSIBLY be right
6. Brad is a CEO, again, and again, and again....to infinity and beyond!
7. Can't keep their stories straight, makes conflicting statements (thanks Kay)
Does that about cover it? Or did I miss something?
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I started believing that over a year ago and now it's been reinforced. I'm upset that the vendors aren't disclosing who they buy their nic from. If I were them I wouldn't be concerned about someone stealing my source as much as letting my customers know who I buy from and not just that it's not BE. So what if someone goes to their source! Geez, how important is it in the whole scheme of things?! Opportunism in this emerging market!
So do you guys still think that the culprit is just sloppy/incomplete mixing that created hot spots in the batch? Or what else could have caused it? And does he start with 100% nic or 22% (or 27)... I can't figure it out...
Most vendors' liquid will test out on the ball from what I've heard; this seems to be an isolated case.
But it does dent the feeling that we are all in for the same reason and all have the best intentions ... but i guess that was always a bit naiive - one remembers the 'cart will last all day' type hype, the $200 808 etc. Messing with nic levels though is fefinately a new low - very low
But it does dent the feeling that we are all in for the same reason and all have the best intentions ... but i guess that was always a bit naiive - one remembers the 'cart will last all day' type hype, the $200 808 etc. Messing with nic levels though is fefinately a new low - very low
It sounds like it is fine. I don't think every bottle from this lot is necessarily bad. Lots can be quite large. If you want me to test it, I will need about 20 mL, but if you are not feeling anything different, both too much or too little, my guess is its ok. PM me if you want the test.
Has anyone here bought bad niquid from Lu, Violet, or Blacksmith Pro? Ummm... didn't think so...
Maybe start another thread to bad mouth 'em?
I apologize and agree. This is an issue with the supplier, bottom line.
However, what has happened is so scary to me that in my mind, it should not be defended in any capacity.
I will be anxious to see what BE will be doing to ensure this doesn't happen again, with other suppliers as well.
Looked hard - no pattern to it. Just seems sloppy work. The worst possible summary - very sad
Tried plots, got out the calculator, thought through ve=arious scenarios, ,, nothing.
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I wish they would just issue a statement and tell us what the heck happened.
Is it true that he offered to sell the bad batch for 50% off? I read it somewhere, but I don't believe it.
I have known of issues for quite some time now myself but I still would not have guessed that something this serious would not be addressed by a supplier or efforts made to correct the situation. This is not the same as getting the wrong flavor juice or the wrong carto, a dud mod etc.
I just can't help to be blown away that BE seems to be totally unconcerned by this and is not taking steps to correct anything. The only saving grace here is that they will not be in business for long.
YOu might well be right, but doesn't that make a mockery of the batch number - does it have any real meaning in BE's case ?
Thank you Kurt for the answer. I agree, I think it is fine, but just wanted some assurance. When I am through with this bottle I will be buying from RTS. Hopefully this incident will bring about better QC throughout all levels of the vaping industry.
Ha,ha! I would not at all doubt that might be true from what his attitude was last night. It does not sound to me like they are taking any corrective action.
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