How do I get the nicotine kick?

[MacFan]

Well, actualy I'm going to be starting a site dedicated to developing (and yes, selling) QUALITY smoke juices and nothing but smoke juice. Honestly, after trying everything from the e-cig.com sewer-water to other re-branded e-liquid, I realized that what I would really like to see is an American-based site that can offer extremely good, quality e-liquid made from scratch sold at a great price that doesn't take 2 months just to get to me.
Well, after more trials and errors than I can think of, I have a couple of recipes that, with all due modesty, I really love (and I only like one other e-liquid!)
Basically, as long as certain companies don't screw this up, I really think e-smoking has a hell of a future.
OK, I'll stop rambling now (but I just love this topic!). The brand is "Johnson Creek Original Smoke Juice" and once I have everything to the point that I really want it, I'll put up the site.
However, I would like to send a few of you a bottle just to get your opinion and feedback (free of course). If anyone is interested, just PM me.

 

[sanneke]

Macfan, that's interesting.

Do not tell me any secrets, but how did you develop this "extremely good, quality e-liquid made from scratch"?

I'm not mocking you, I'm just curious.

 

[MacFan]

Well, most of you know the basics: PG, flavoring, nicotine, etc., but I just started experimenting with all sorts of things (and would often get pretty carried away). Experimented with some ideas and flavorings that were just disastrous and others that just had no taste at all. Anyway, after cajoling a couple of family members into trying concoction after concoction, I knew I was on the right track when my brother in law (who thought all of this was a total joke) will now only use my smoke juice.
Anyway, I also knew I had to try as many e-liquids as I could get my hands on to get a frame of reference, but this proved pretty tough, as you guys know, right now. Alot of my purchases wound up being on eBay. So, fast-forward to now, and I have 2 recipes that I really like. One of them is a really smooth hickory with a bit of a bite (in fact, I'm calling it 'Smooth Hickory'). The other is essentially a regular tobacco-flavor.
Anyway, that's the nuts and bolts of it

 

[CaSHMeRe]

MacFan ... You sir have a PM

 

[jamie]

Well, most of you know the basics: PG, flavoring, nicotine, etc.

We do, and are aware of the difficulties in getting ahold of nicotine. I'm quite curious as to how you were able to do that.

 

[Mr.Darcy]

MacFan-you could make VG based liquid as well as the PG stuff,for the sensitive or concerned users...just a suggestion.

 

[MacFan]

We do, and are aware of the difficulties in getting ahold of nicotine. I'm quite curious as to how you were able to do that.

Jamie, absolutely. But more than being difficult to get, I would not use liquid nicotine anyway - far too dangerous. I use a tobacco-distilling method for the nicotine that works great (and adds nicely to the tast)

 

[MacFan]

guys, thanks so much for the interest! -The samples will go out within the next week!

Hey by the way, who has had experience with an e-Pipe? Just wondering how it compares to the cigs (or cigars for that matter).

 

[VP2008]

MacFan-you could make VG based liquid as well as the PG stuff,for the sensitive or concerned users...just a suggestion.

I think this is a great idea. I can't use pg any longer and would like a veggie vapor alternative

 

[dnakr]

This does sound interesting. I might have to pm you.

 

[jamie]

I use a tobacco-distilling method for the nicotine that works great (and adds nicely to the tast)

Thanks MacFan.

This is a general question I've had about tobacco homebrews, not just yours - How are the carcinogens removed? It's been discussed on here before but not enough (or not clear enough) that my memory crosses it off the list.

TB or any of the homebrewers, feel free to chime in here!

 

[TropicalBob]

Jamie, I'm interested in his homebrew technique, as well.

Basically, all we're able to do is remove as many particulates as possible, given the quality of our filters (I need finer ones!). Those particulates, as I see it, could pose a problem for the lungs, the same as particulates from inhaled burning tobacco do. There's no way we can distill out every possible carcinogen in tobacco, but I just don't consider this a hazard of alarm. (Maybe I'm being overly optimistic). No question that NOT using tobacco or nicotine is safest. But that's not for me -- yet.

We're talking minute amounts of stuff in any case, to be sure. The big unknown from my perspective is the strength of nicotine in homebrew. The main reason I still use some commercial liquid is that the nicotine strength is measured and known. Health New Zealand confirmed the Ruyan cartridge strength, for instance. We know that 16mg is 16mg. I have no idea what strength my cooked-tobacco extract is.

I also note that Ruyan stopped using dirty tobacco extract in its liquid as of last November. Most other e-liquid offerings still have it -- check the filthy filters after a few days of use. That dark brown gunk is tobacco extract particulates, and it also gets into your lungs.

None of this means any of us can experiment with pure nicotine, however. It's far, far too deadly a material to work with.

 

[leaford]

None of this means any of us can experiment with pure nicotine, however. It's far, far too deadly a material to work with.

No kidding. I just spilled about 10 ML of my expensive Freesmoke liquid on my lap yesterday. Even after wiping up, and changing, the tops of my thighs felt hot from nicotine absorption. I can just see me doing the same while mixing with pure nicotine. 8-o

 

[CaSHMeRe]

so, then it raises the question ... how do these Chinese manufacturers produce the liquid?

mixing pure nicotine and diluting/mixing it with other ingredients? i sure wouldn't want that job, that's for sure...lol

 

[toekuttr]

Thanks for the replies.

When I say no kick I meant no nicotine effect - the craving is still there. When I have tried other substitutes in the past (Gum, Patches etc) they have taken the craving away (obviously not long term or I wouldn't be on this site).

I will try Leafords advice and see if that works

once again - appreciate the replies

This is what I meant in another thread. I don't necessarily need a "rush" and should have avoided that term. When I smoke a cigar or even have a "dip" or a pris I don't really get a "rush" per se, but do get satisfaction and I'm not looking for a smoke immediately after. The same thing with NRT, no "rush" (unless as I said I chew 2 at a time), they also satisfy my nicotine cravings. When e-smoking I get really no satisfaction and am using the high carts and fluids. I wonder if the nicotine is really getting into my system at all using this method.

The present methods of extraction might be the weak link here? Why does anyone assume that these somewhat simplistic devices can deliver nicotine at a more efficient rate than the ones Big Pharma have developed which deliver only 20% or so of stated nic content? If thats the case, 24 mg high carts are really only delivering a very small amount systemically. Maybe diggers onto something here? I read that extracting nicotine in reliable amounts requires the use of solvents and some working knowledge of chemistry. I wonder if using a variety like Rustica which is mostly used for nic extraction purposes would be more practical for e-purposes?

 

[TropicalBob]

We don't assume the rate of nicotine absorption. We rely on tests for The Ruyan (nicotine) e-cigarette

Dr. Laugesen says 98% nicotine absorption from e-smoking.

Someone here jokingly wondered about a nicotine suppository and Leaford's story brings that back to mind. Would you believe (true) that there are patents for both rectal and vaginal nicotine suppositories?

"Not tonight, dear, I'm getting my nicotine."

 

[toekuttr]

OK TB, but to play devil's advocate a little further these tests are a little vague, unless I'm misreading them. For example, the claim is based on this: :

Assumes that >98% of nicotine is extractable on inhalation

, so is it based on an assumption to begin with? The same study states:

One manufactured NZ cigarette contains 13 mg nicotine.[3] The amount 1.5 mg of nicotine absorbed per cigarette represents a range of 1.0 to 2.5 mg absorbed from factory-made cigarettes,

It looks like a tobacco cig delivers only 10% systemically. The study goes on to state, concerning Pharma's inhalers:

Nicotine absorption is from the mouth, where half of it reaches the blood. The inhaler contains 10 mg of nicotine, so at most 5 mg is absorbed.

(although Pharma claims 20%). Not trying to sound like a killjoy, and obviously many members here are benefiting from the e-cig. It just seems curious to me that this bathtub delivery system is claiming to be exponentially more efficient than both real tobacco and Big Pharmas products. :?

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Hey MacFan

Will you be shipping internationally?

Emp

 

[Mr.Darcy]

Hey MacFan

Will you be shipping internationally?

Emp

i was wondering that too...might be interesting.

 

[McSocker]

from my experience of e-smoking for 1 week, e-smoking DOES NOT give a contact kick as compared to a normal cigarette... but if you realise, if you dun touch tobacco for a period of time, you do not have the withdrawal symptoms of not smoking at all... and after a period of time, when you try a stick of tobacco again, you can;t really realise the kick from the cigarette too..... anyone feels so too?