How Do You Mix Your Fluids?

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DonCon

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In order to diagnose why your mixes are harsh I would suggest taste testing your bases separately for starters.

Take a few drops of your PG and vape it standalone ( ideally in a clean rda ) without any nic; do the same for your VG as well. If neither of those have a bad or harsh aftertaste, add your nic and taste test again.

While I personally find PG to be a little bitter to begin with, I once had some that was particularly off-putting and until I got rid of it, nothing was going to taste good, at least not to me. I've never had an issue with VG or nic myself but I've definitely heard of some nics adding unpleasant 'nuances' to a mix. :)

Once you have ruled out your bases you can look more closely at the individual flavoring(s) and/or percentages being used as possible culprits.
Thanks for the advice I'll give it a try after work today. Question though wouldn't straight pg have a significant throat hit on its own?

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I mix up large batches with food chopper mixer thing. (no nic). It take less than a minute to make a month's worth. currently making flavor batches too..then I can take 10% then add it to my base whenever I want... Nic added at point of use when desired.
 

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Thanks for the advice I'll give it a try after work today. Question though wouldn't straight pg have a significant throat hit on its own?

You're quite welcome, happy to help. :)

While the common conception that PG provides more of a throat hit than VG may well be true for some, it shouldn't be harsh by itself vape wise. It should taste just slightly sweet. I've haven't noticed much difference either way in that regard personally.

I prefer max VG in my mixes primarily because of my aforementioned aversion to PG and the fact that it adds a small degree of sweetness over PG that usually negates my need for any additional sweeteners, something I consider a big bonus.

There is some debate as to which base carries flavor better and in that respect, I would have to give PG the edge initially, however, if given a little time to allow the flavor to permeate the VG, I find little to no difference in the end result ultimately ... outside of the sweetening aspect of course.
 

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Does anyone use a milk frothing wand? I bought on off amazon it has a stainless steel round mesh and the bottom and spins. Does turned your ejuice into a foamy solution a bad thing?

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Try your frother. If you decide you don't like that much aeration you might look at the Badger paint mixer. It is very similar to a frother except it is made to introduce as little air as possible (air bubbles in paint result in rough/poor finishes). Price is right and it doesn't take up as much space as a magnetic stir plate.
 

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Try your frother. If you decide you don't like that much aeration you might look at the Badger paint mixer. It is very similar to a frother except it is made to introduce as little air as possible (air bubbles in paint result in rough/poor finishes). Price is right and it doesn't take up as much space as a magnetic stir plate.

Check out the 2nd Question for that Paint Mixer.

will this fit the opening of a 10ml bottle used for diy ejuice

I wonder how many people saw it and said... "What the Heck is diy ejuice? "

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I used to tape my bottles to a Ceiling Fan and then run the Fan on High.

But I found putting them in this is Easier.

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Or sometimes I just Shake them by Hand.

;)

I thought you used to put them in your hubcaps and let the open road do the work:)
 
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I thought you used to put them in your hubcaps and let the open road do the work:)

That was for Drying Cartos.

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I wish I was the person who thought of this but I was not. It was too good of an idea so I saved the picture.

I remember that the member who made it said he used Fuse Holders he got from Radio Shack for the things to hold the cartos.

Better than my way of taping cartos to the rims of my car and driving on the freeway.

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There's a dollar in it for you if you post a video of it on YouTube :laugh:

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Sorry. But as part of the reduced sentence in the plea bargain, I’m barred from doing YouTube vids about taping cartos onto motorized vehicles and then operating them on a public highway.

I thought about attaching cartos to the spokes of a bicycle with Zip-Ties but the court might see this as a probation violation. So I decided not to until I talk with my attorney.

A kinda crazy way ive just tried to dry my cartos but worked pretty well

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The only FACT I say is crucial is not heating above 90 degrees Fahrenheit. Your choice if you want to but check the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) on any flavors that you can find them for. Or The MSDS for Nicotine pure or mixed with base They will all ahow to keep below 90 degrees.

I have found several studies that indicate no degradation at the point you quote. Some not so scientific and others where a lot of effort was put into the study.

I myself was part of a study and blind taste test on steeping at 150F and the conclusion was if there was any degradation at all it was very nominal giv'in the time the finished product would be used by the average vaper.
This study can be found right here in the steeping thread going back about a year.

Here is the result of one such study.
Nicotine degradation and other myths | ALL ABOUT E-CIGARETTES UK

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So I've been looking into the chemical properties of Nicotine (and cotinine) for a while now, sad huh?

There are a lot of myths and old wives tales circulating but I have been sifting through and corroborating with multiple independent sources where possible.


The first thing that surprised me, is that Nicotine is a highly stable chemical compound!



Here are some info's about which (I hope) I have exhausted obvious error:

Freezing point -79°C.
This means Nicotine won't freeze unless you can get it to -80°C or below.

However the medium in which the Nicotine is contained will freeze at it's respective temperature.
PG -60°C
VG +17°C
Vodka -15°C
(yes it freezes at +17°C, look it up later!)

Flash point +95°C.
The lowest temperature at which it can vaporize to form an ignitable mixture in air.

Solvents such as Vodka, PG and VG will have different flash points.
PG +130°C
VG +170°C.
Vodka +30°C

Auto ignition point +244°C.
The lowest temperature at which it will spontaneously ignite in a normal atmosphere without an external source of ignition, such as a flame or spark.

Again beware of contaminants and solvents, although it is unlikely to occur in weak solution.

Boiling point +247°C.
The temperature at which it changes into a vapor.

In solution the solvent may boil at a different temperature.

This would result in the suspended Nicotine being carried away in the vapour without itself having boiled.
PG +188.2°C
VG +290°C
Vodka +80°C


Rate of degradation.
Nicotine in PG solution is noted to be stable at room temperature (20°C) when exposed to air and (indirect) sunlight for up to 2 months with only a 2.1% drop in concentration.

This indicates that an open container of Nic/PG base at 54mg would degrade to approximately 52.8mg.
An open container of PG e-liquid at 18mg would degrade to approximately 17.5mg.

Similar minimal degradation (2%) is noted to have occurred after storage in a domestic freezer for around 18 months.
(I only have one source for this, numerous others all appear to cite or plagiarise the original).

Various tests carried out at 40-80°C for up to 20 days appear to show no degradation of Nicotine in PG within a sealed container.

Breakdown of the chemical structure of Nicotine is noted to begin at approximately 300°C in an oxidising environment.

(The flavours and aromas associated with any particular mixed e-liquid would be subject to higher rates of degradation in much less severe environments).

PG - Propylene Glycol
VG - Vegetable Glycerin
Vodka - assumed 37% ABV (Cos that's what I had in me blooming cupboard!)



Cotinine is an anagram of Nicotine.

Menthol prevents the body from metabolising Nicotine so it stays in the system longer.

Nicotine likes Melanin, so if you have dark hair and/or skin you will be hanging onto residual Nicotine much longer than us pale folks.


If you find any pertinent FACTUAL errors in the above then please let us all know.
 
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I have Never used one. But I have read where Many People have.

I think they are Still Alive? So it can't be all that Bad.

Nothing wrong with using a frother. The only draw back is it introduces an excessive amount of air into the mix which can greatly accelerate the oxidation process, sometimes to an undesirable level making the mix to harsh.
 
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Nothing wrong with using a frother. The only draw back is it introduces an excessive amount of air into the mix which can greatly accelerate the oxidation process, sometimes to an undesirable level making the mix to harsh.

Yeah... There is Almost an Unlimited amount of ways to Mix e-Liquids.
 
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