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They will Not ban nicotine liquid.
They may regulate it over certain strengths, they may even license it if it's over a certain strength when sold to the public. But they will Not ban it.
They may say no retail sales unless sold by a licensed vendor.
They cannot Tax it more than they tax any other Nicotine Replacement Therapy.
They will Not ban e-cigs either. It is simply not do-able and cannot be enforced.
They may regulate it over certain strengths, they may even license it if it's over a certain strength when sold to the public. But they will Not ban it.
They may say no retail sales unless sold by a licensed vendor.
They cannot Tax it more than they tax any other Nicotine Replacement Therapy.
They will Not ban e-cigs either. It is simply not do-able and cannot be enforced.
So if they ban the device that I have in my hand right this very minute, will I turn it in? Oh NO WAY will that happen. So I vape in my house and never go anywhere 
There will be some sort of regulation Only a time traveler knows what it will be. (I wish they would get back here already!) In the meantime, I am working my nic intake down so if one of the regulations will be..... oh let's say 4mg is the max...... I will be prepared for it. Yes, I know not everybody is able to do that. I'm just speaking for myself ONLY. There are tons of info on DIY and NET extractions floating around just in this forum, not to mention out in the netherworlds of the net.
Right now my job is to fight and sign petitions and write to governments and hope that there are enough of us doing the same thing to keep this as available as it is now.
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which isn't worth a hill of beans.
There will be some sort of regulation
Only a time traveler knows what it will be. (I wish they would get back here already!) In the meantime, I am working my nic intake down so if one of the regulations will be..... oh let's say 4mg is the max...... I will be prepared for it. Yes, I know not everybody is able to do that. I'm just speaking for myself ONLY. There are tons of info on DIY and NET extractions floating around just in this forum, not to mention out in the netherworlds of the net. Right now my job is to fight and sign petitions and write to governments and hope that there are enough of us doing the same thing to keep this as available as it is now.
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which isn't worth a hill of beans.
IMO the FDA just wants the whole mess to go away. They don't have any idea of how the e-cig industry should be regulated, so they just want to sweep the whole deal under the rug by using Chapter IX. We should be telling them to "do their damn job", but do it properly.
I don't own a PV that can't be used to power a flashlight bulb, so how in the world could they regulate them. In fact I have a few flashlights that would power an atomizer quite nicely.Almost everything we use to vape is also used for other things ..... including nicotine.
I bought a bunch of PG and VG from a soap supply company yesterday.
IMO it's the noob that wants to try vaping as a way to stop smoking that is going to get hurt by all this. Those of us that have been around the block a few times will do just fine.
I don't own a PV that can't be used to power a flashlight bulb, so how in the world could they regulate them. In fact I have a few flashlights that would power an atomizer quite nicely.Almost everything we use to vape is also used for other things ..... including nicotine.
I bought a bunch of PG and VG from a soap supply company yesterday.
IMO it's the noob that wants to try vaping as a way to stop smoking that is going to get hurt by all this. Those of us that have been around the block a few times will do just fine.
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I am worried they will make liquid nic impossible or hard to get. Yes you can make ejuice without nicotine but I think most of us want nicttine. I just hope if they do put regulations on liquid nic that we at least know ahead of time so we can stock up. I vape 24mg and without it I would go back to smoking. As for a PV I have plenty and anyone can make one simply from items at radio shack or a flashlight but it is really the nicotine I am worried about.
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This sounds like a pretty reasonable analysis, and I tend to agree.
(The down side to this theory, of course, is that it doesn't involve Black Helicopters.)
IIRC,the Canadian vendor/juice maker that got closed down by HC (was it juicy clear or somesuch) had a deadline to clear out his stock before closing time;expect the same, a deadline to buy your stufz.
That will be the time to stock up on juices you think are unvapeable
That will be the time to stock up on juices you think are unvapeable
How will they justify it? If they raise taxes on nicotine liquid as in e-liquid, they have to raise taxes on All the nicotine replacement therapies currently available and especially those which contain or use nicotine liquid. For me it's that simple.
However, they will have a tough time demonstrating a hike in taxes to those who advocate the use of conventional nicotine replacement therapies and tobacco harm reduction. One simply cannot raise the cost on an ingredient and forgo the cost on the same ingredient used in a different method which essentially shares the same goal.
For me, a price rise is still better than a kick in pants.
Are we talking about the same Gov't? They don't have to justify a damn thing. It's not like this would be the first unpopular thing the government has ever done and ignored any ensuing outcry.
In such a scenario, WH or FDA will announce it on a Friday, and ignore it through the weekend and dangle some other carrot in front of the media by Monday and it'll largely be forgotten.
It's not like there are all that many vapers in relation to the populace as it stands.
They will tax the hell out of nicotine and possibly delivery devices. This way they make up for lost taxes. I wonder if they could make pg and vg only available with a permit.
They could make PG and VG regulatory permit only. They probably won't, but they could. PG/VG have way too many uses outside of vaping.
Liquid nicotine, on the other hand, is a very specialized thing that most people don't even know exists.
Really? They'll tax VG and PG? because they are not used as ingredients in any other products?
Have we all lost our sensibilities?
As far as nicotine liquid is concerned, yes they may well tax it or raise the bar in attaining it over certain strengths but I seriously doubt there will be an outright ban.
Furthermore, no, perhaps it isn't a huge swath of the population vaping, but as BT has already made large investments into this business, I doubt they will walk away without a fight and at the very least tie the FDA in legal wrangles for a long time to come. After all it was the Chinese that came to our rescue the last time there was tangle with the FDA, this time around there are more companies involved. We all have a Much Bigger chance.
Have we all lost our sensibilities?
As far as nicotine liquid is concerned, yes they may well tax it or raise the bar in attaining it over certain strengths but I seriously doubt there will be an outright ban.
Furthermore, no, perhaps it isn't a huge swath of the population vaping, but as BT has already made large investments into this business, I doubt they will walk away without a fight and at the very least tie the FDA in legal wrangles for a long time to come. After all it was the Chinese that came to our rescue the last time there was tangle with the FDA, this time around there are more companies involved. We all have a Much Bigger chance.
I'm somehow missing where you're seeing that. I think most of us believe the opposite. It's used in enough things you can walk into a store and buy it.
Liquid Nicotine, not so much.
Nicotine is really the only thing we have to worry about. PG, VG, batteries? Please.
It's do-able but not really by a home chemist using home equipment. You'd need a clandestine lab with some pretty sophisticated equipment to be able to get a reasobably pure product. The more likely scenario would be gray/black market imports.
Which harkens back to the time of the Prohibition and bathtub gin that straight up killed people.
Tobacco is sold by weight , maybe niquid will be sold in units like that, and taxed like cigs 5ml =1pack = such and such tax and what ever mg they decide we deserve, its the mg im not looking forward too, nor the small taxed size of liquid, its goona get expensive....im working on fillin the fridge
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