I can't believe they can do this!!

[sahsah]

So I went to pick up a very late dinner from a restaurant I'm quite fond of (stout in Hollywood. I don't mind putting them on blast bc they have this moronic policy in place.) and was using my ecig very sparingly mind you, in total I took two drags the whole time I was picking up my to go order. Just some background information: it was already three am and there was absolutely no one in the restaurant besides a couple of the staff. The bouncer told me in a gruff tone you can't do that here. So I kindly and politely responded that I don't think an establishment is allowed to prohibit the use of ecigs and that you can use them like pretty much EVERYWHERE. He just repeated back to me the same thing like a roided out answering machine,"I don't know man that's what my boss told me not allowed to do that here" then the matrices chimed in repeating the same thing he said, it was like conversing with a bunch of mindless parrots. I said, legally I dunno if that's ok. So she responded with distinctly overt attitude at this point,"well LEGALLY, we are allowed to refuse business to who ever we want so ya" (with a smug .....y look slapped on her face). Again I reiterate, there was not even a single patron present there so I dunno why they were being so obnoxious after I just dropped about thirty bucks for fries and a burger. What is the world coming to, I feel like an x-men in professor Xavier's institute being discriminated against by an ignorant world of haters who need to be educated. Tell me what you think, was I wrong, being a ...., I'm interested to hear others opinions.

 

[p.opus]

Unfortunately, they are right....

It is a private business and they have the right to dictate policy in their own establishment. You have the right to no longer patronize their business.

Almost picking a fight with a roided out bouncer and several dead tired underpaid wait staff is not quite the road I would have taken.

I would have thanked them for informing me of their policy and apologized.

If it was then important enough to me, I would have then contacted the owner/manager in the morning and relayed my experience and asked him to reiterate the policy on the use of e-cigs in his establishment. If his motive seems reasonable, I would have thanked him for the clarification. If it seemed unreasonable I would tell him that it is unfortunate he see's things that way and in the future I will be directing my business to establishments that are more e-cigarette friendly.

 

[wonner]

Welcome to the forum!

You were wrong.

 

[Sirius]

Within reason, I don't vape where smoking isn't allowed. Imho, that should keep the heat off us vapers. I wouldn't doubt the use of ecigs are banned in places such as restaurants.

 

[Mapultz]

I'm not sure why you think that private businesses can't ban certain things from the premises... Of course it's legal for them to not allow you to vape in their establishment.

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[dice57]

Vapers Unite!! Need to go fill up this restaurant and form clouds till it rains.

Unfortunate that this happened, there is more danger breathing the fumes from their product then catching a wiff of your vape. But a business does have the right to not allow people to drink vape or smoke on their premises. And they have the right to refuse service, but once I had my order, I would have probably whipped out the sub ohm mechanical and vaped me some serious clouds before exiting the establishment.

 

[Mark Anthony]

This is exactly the kind of attention that we as vapers don't need. I understand your frustration but just abide by their rules. The way I see it.... their house, their rules.

 

[devauto]

I have to agree with everyone here. It is their business and they do have the right to tell you not to vape. *IF* there were a law that said otherwise, then you might have a leg to stand on. However, and I may be mistaken here, I have not heard of any locality that has passed a law saying that we can vape wherever we want.

Getting irate with the staff doesn't do any good either. They are just trying to make a living and follow the rules of the establishment. In the future, I would definitely ask to bring it up with the management/owner of the establishment, they are the ones that make the rules and can change the rules.

 

[John Bate]

until society degrades to the point of slighted smokers getting the supreme court to include them as a protected class, you are s.o.l. my friend, or at the very least separates non-nicotine ejuice from its infused brethren and allows vaping everywhere

 

[tonyorion]

You are wrong! Moreover, you are adding to the growing antipathy that the general non smoking population feels towards vapers with your arrogance.

Even if you were not vaping something obnoxious like bacon and eggs or essence of buffalo dung, you are still putting odors in the air of a restaurant. Restaurants have enough trouble contending with the normal stuff like perfume and body odor. Ecig vapor does have a nasty habit of sticking to stuff; I have to clean the inside of my windshield a lot more often when vaping and driving.

The lack of patrons at that time does not give you the right to be disrespectful to the people working there.

 

[djenkins]

I agree with those above. With all due respect to you, ecigs are already under fire. Why make it worse?

 

[KrisAinTX]

Welcome to the forum!

You were wrong.

This.

The vaping community is struggling to be accepted by the world right now. We want to keep our freedoms, not encourage negative attitudes and foster feelings that could result in bans and regulation.

The type of behavior OP writes about is exactly the kind of stuff that leaves a bad taste in the mouths of others. Those workers may have a chance to vote on an e-cig ban some day. How do you think they may vote, after that situation last night?

We need to be respectful above all else.

 

[Razorback]

At 3am, they were probably ready to go home (but they might should have been a little nicer)... I treat the e-cig just like a regular smoke when it comes to public policy, no smoking allowed, I assume no vaping as well. Keeps us all in a better light! My


(Edit) And, welcome to the forum. Best place to vent and get advice, even if it's not what you really wanted to hear!

 

[DetraMental]

^^^^ I have to agree. That's a good point about the voting issue. We don't need the negative advertisement. If you're told "no" then that means "no". Live with it and deal with it like an adult, especially someone who is part of a forum such as this where we try to keep vaping from being outcast. We're trying to move forward not two steps back.

 

[choochoogranny]

Sahsah, nudists must have this trouble all the time!

What I do when out for dinner is ask our waitress/waiter if I may vape. They go to ask manager, and come back to say I can't because other customers may think I'm smoking. I understand and thank them for their effort. Then I set on the table my prettiest, decked out mod with my sparkliest drip tip right where everyone can see it.

I don't vape......just let it sit there in the hopes someone will ask me what it is and how it works, etc. I would love for anyone to stop by. Granny and Grandpaw proceed to have a good time having our tasty dinner. I figure the more people ask, even tho more than likely you'll be turned down, the more the managers and owners realize how fast vaping is growing or even become aware of it and more knowledgeable. I do this in as friendly, non threatening way as I can so that other customers will see that pretty or handsome vaping gear is definitely NOT a cigarette and belongs to this short, white haired, glasses wearing grandma. Maybe they'll become curious and start looking into vaping for a friend or family member or even themselves.....never know.

 

[Mapultz]

If you were visiting someone's house, and they asked you not to vape inside, would you respect that? I would hope so. It's no different with a private business. Even before the sweeping smoking bans, there were plenty of restaurants that decided not to allow smoking. It's their call what they allow or not. No shoes, no shirt, no service. No smoking. No vaping. Etc. etc.

 

[MikeZ28]

This.

The vaping community is struggling to be accepted by the world right now. We want to keep our freedoms, not encourage negative attitudes and foster feelings that could result in bans and regulation.

The type of behavior OP writes about is exactly the kind of stuff that leaves a bad taste in the mouths of others. Those workers may have a chance to vote on an e-cig ban some day. How do you think they may vote, after that situation last night?

We need to be respectful above all else.

Absolutely. Vapers need to act responsibly, we'll be viewed as a group not individually.. Good reputations are hard earned but a bad reputation easy.

 

[LX1X]

Don't think the op will be back. Lol

But I agree on.. their house... their rules.

 

[BigCatDaddy]

So I went to pick up a very late dinner from a restaurant I'm quite fond of (stout in Hollywood. I don't mind putting them on blast bc they have this moronic policy in place.) and was using my ecig very sparingly mind you, in total I took two drags the whole time I was picking up my to go order. Just some background information: it was already three am and there was absolutely no one in the restaurant besides a couple of the staff. The bouncer told me in a gruff tone you can't do that here. So I kindly and politely responded that I don't think an establishment is allowed to prohibit the use of ecigs and that you can use them like pretty much EVERYWHERE. He just repeated back to me the same thing like a roided out answering machine,"I don't know man that's what my boss told me not allowed to do that here" then the matrices chimed in repeating the same thing he said, it was like conversing with a bunch of mindless parrots. I said, legally I dunno if that's ok. So she responded with distinctly overt attitude at this point,"well LEGALLY, we are allowed to refuse business to who ever we want so ya" (with a smug .....y look slapped on her face). Again I reiterate, there was not even a single patron present there so I dunno why they were being so obnoxious after I just dropped about thirty bucks for fries and a burger. What is the world coming to, I feel like an x-men in professor Xavier's institute being discriminated against by an ignorant world of haters who need to be educated. Tell me what you think, was I wrong, being a ...., I'm interested to hear others opinions.

Oh yes they can!! And never ever back-sass the help!! I'm surprised you didn't find yourself on the curb with a knot on your head. The only right you have in a public establishment is whether or not you choose to do business with them. If you live long enough, you will learn that a little common courtesy and respect will get you much farther than copping a 'tude. Example: "I'm sorry sir.(My god, your arms are bigger than my waist!!) Thank you for telling me. (Not really, but thank you for not popping my head like a pimple!!) I was deep in thought(thinking about that hottie I saw earlier!!) and forgot what I was doing for a moment.(I routinely forget my own name) Will my order be ready soon? (So I can escape with all of my appendages intact)"

 

[TXCherry]

I agree with the others. Private establishments have always had the ability to pick and choose what they allow within their facility. There is no blanket rule that allows us to vape anywhere we please, and people that walk around with that crazy notion are likely to hurt the reputation of our community. We're in a critical time of laws and regulation - the last thing we want is for future voters to think that all vapers are jerks.

Welcome to the forum. Glad you decided to join!