I can't believe they can do this!!

[sahsah]

Lol thank you for the support. And to the commenters above you, I wasn't starting a fight, in fact I was extremely obliging and polite. My statements were more inquisitors than confrontational. I just don't see why they would even make a thing about it, especially when there's no one else there, it's an open air bar, and come on it's not like I was hot boxing the place, I took to small drags and not back to back

 

[sahsah]

Lol thank you for the support. And to the commenters above you, I wasn't starting a fight, in fact I was extremely obliging and polite. My statements were more inquisitors than confrontational. I just don't see why they would even make a thing about it, especially when there's no one else there, it's an open air bar, and come on it's not like I was hot boxing the place, I took to small drags and not back to back

woops still getting the hang of quoting lol

 

[Don Robertson]

I must agree with the folks who previously posted. I won't point a finger and say, "You were wrong", however, it is their establishment and it would have been prudent to simply comply with the 'bouncer'. We need to have folks understand what 'vaping' is all about but the employees are simply following company policy and can do nothing to change the rules.

It's similar to restaurants that do not allow firearms - even concealed. I have a friend who repeatedly challenges the 'rule' and each time he must either leave or the police WILL BE called. It is because there is a law here in New Mexico that says the establishment decides if guns are allowed. Failure to comply can result in several penalties.

What we do NOT need or want is to have "the government" enact LAWS prohibiting E-Smokes in restaurants, bars, stores of any kind - even open patios. Once a LAW is in place it is ever so difficult and costly to have it repealed. If it ever becomes LAW that we "can't" - we will never get it repealed simply because the non-smoking general public will see E-Smokes as being as deadly as the real deal. Those who don't 'vape' will not care because it does not pertain to them and should the topic ever show up on a ballot - they will vote "NO".

I AGREE with you - but the battle will become hard enough and if folks see 'vapers' in general as folks who don't care about the health of others - even though as far as we know today there is no negative side to the alternative to that which we KNOW can kill us and others - WE WILL LOSE! Let's don't help them make us 'criminals' or at the very least 'uncaring rebels'.

From Senility Central --- Old Man Don

 

[Mapultz]

Lol thank you for the support. And to the commenters above you, I wasn't starting a fight, in fact I was extremely obliging and polite. My statements were more inquisitors than confrontational. I just don't see why they would even make a thing about it, especially when there's no one else there, it's an open air bar, and come on it's not like I was hot boxing the place, I took to small drags and not back to back

To be fair, you ended your OP by asking us what we thought. We think you were wrong. You may have been perfectly nice about it, however you were still wrong in stating it's illegal for them to stop you from using your e-cig. It's a fact - you were wrong.

Edited to add: It doesn't matter their reasoning for not allowing e-cigs in their private business. It is their right to prohibit it (and other behaviors) as they see fit, as long as they act within the law. Vapers are not a protected class of citizens...so they were within the law. How many other people were there, the atmosphere, the size of your drags, etc. are irrelevant.

 

[sahsah]

I agree with those above. With all due respect to you, ecigs are already under fire. Why make it worse?

How did I make it worse, everywhere else I've been you can vape, they told me to stop so I did. I just asked a question. Omg, its not like I caused an international incident

 

[ut1205]

Sahsah, nudists must have this trouble all the time!

What I do when out for dinner is ask our waitress/waiter if I may vape. They go to ask manager, and come back to say I can't because other customers may think I'm smoking. I understand and thank them for their effort. Then I set on the table my prettiest, decked out mod with my sparkliest drip tip right where everyone can see it.

I don't vape......just let it sit there in the hopes someone will ask me what it is and how it works, etc. I would love for anyone to stop by. Granny and Grandpaw proceed to have a good time having our tasty dinner. I figure the more people ask, even tho more than likely you'll be turned down, the more the managers and owners realize how fast vaping is growing or even become aware of it and more knowledgeable. I do this in as friendly, non threatening way as I can so that other customers will see that pretty or handsome vaping gear is definitely NOT a cigarette and belongs to this short, white haired, glasses wearing grandma. Maybe they'll become curious and start looking into vaping for a friend or family member or even themselves.....never know.

This is the same reason I wear my Ego on a lanyard around my neck. It would easily fit in my shirt pocket but I want people to see and ask about it even if they never see me take a drag. It gives me 10 seconds to let them know that it is not smoking.

 

[sahsah]

Vapers Unite!! Need to go fill up this restaurant and form clouds till it rains.

Unfortunate that this happened, there is more danger breathing the fumes from their product then catching a wiff of your vape. But a business does have the right to not allow people to drink vape or smoke on their premises. And they have the right to refuse service, but once I had my order, I would have probably whipped out the sub ohm mechanical and vaped me some serious clouds before exiting the establishment.

lol you're awesome bro, I'm just not gonna go there anymore, the food isn't at all like it used to be and the fact that they were so rude about the whole thing just turned me off of the place

 

[sahsah]

This is exactly the kind of attention that we as vapers don't need. I understand your frustration but just abide by their rules. The way I see it.... their house, their rules.

I did abide by their rules, it's not like I blew vapor in his face, I stopped as soon as they told me

 

[sahsah]

I have to agree with everyone here. It is their business and they do have the right to tell you not to vape. *IF* there were a law that said otherwise, then you might have a leg to stand on. However, and I may be mistaken here, I have not heard of any locality that has passed a law saying that we can vape wherever we want.

Getting irate with the staff doesn't do any good either. They are just trying to make a living and follow the rules of the establishment. In the future, I would definitely ask to bring it up with the management/owner of the establishment, they are the ones that make the rules and can change the rules.

Please tell me how was I at all irate? In fact quite the opposite I was extremely polite, tipped very well even though I was just picking up food and was overall totally observant of the house rules once I became aware of them.

 

[ut1205]

So I went to pick up a very late dinner from a restaurant I'm quite fond of (stout in Hollywood. I don't mind putting them on blast bc they have this moronic policy in place.) and was using my ecig very sparingly mind you, in total I took two drags the whole time I was picking up my to go order. Just some background information: it was already three am and there was absolutely no one in the restaurant besides a couple of the staff. The bouncer told me in a gruff tone you can't do that here. So I kindly and politely responded that I don't think an establishment is allowed to prohibit the use of ecigs and that you can use them like pretty much EVERYWHERE. He just repeated back to me the same thing like a roided out answering machine,"I don't know man that's what my boss told me not allowed to do that here" then the matrices chimed in repeating the same thing he said, it was like conversing with a bunch of mindless parrots. I said, legally I dunno if that's ok. So she responded with distinctly overt attitude at this point,"well LEGALLY, we are allowed to refuse business to who ever we want so ya" (with a smug .....y look slapped on her face). Again I reiterate, there was not even a single patron present there so I dunno why they were being so obnoxious after I just dropped about thirty bucks for fries and a burger. What is the world coming to, I feel like an x-men in professor Xavier's institute being discriminated against by an ignorant world of haters who need to be educated. Tell me what you think, was I wrong, being a ...., I'm interested to hear others opinions.

Gee!! I think that's the real crime. Thirty bucks for fries and a burger?

 

[440BB]

I can't believe you paid 30 bucks for a burger and fries.

 

[sahsah]

You are wrong! Moreover, you are adding to the growing antipathy that the general non smoking population feels towards vapers with your arrogance.

Even if you were not vaping something obnoxious like bacon and eggs or essence of buffalo dung, you are still putting odors in the air of a restaurant. Restaurants have enough trouble contending with the normal stuff like perfume and body odor. Ecig vapor does have a nasty habit of sticking to stuff; I have to clean the inside of my windshield a lot more often when vaping and driving.

The lack of patrons at that time does not give you the right to be disrespectful to the people working there.

How was I disrespectful?

 

[sahsah]

This.

The vaping community is struggling to be accepted by the world right now. We want to keep our freedoms, not encourage negative attitudes and foster feelings that could result in bans and regulation.

The type of behavior OP writes about is exactly the kind of stuff that leaves a bad taste in the mouths of others. Those workers may have a chance to vote on an e-cig ban some day. How do you think they may vote, after that situation last night?

We need to be respectful above all else.

after I said ok, left a huge tip and just asked why it wasn't allowed since I thought it was allowed everywhere? I don't know I think they would vote the same as before

 

[sahsah]

At 3am, they were probably ready to go home (but they might should have been a little nicer)... I treat the e-cig just like a regular smoke when it comes to public policy, no smoking allowed, I assume no vaping as well. Keeps us all in a better light! My


(Edit) And, welcome to the forum. Best place to vent and get advice, even if it's not what you really wanted to hear!

They were still open for another hour, just empty

 

[olderthandirt]

How was I disrespectful?

For the answer to this you need to re-read the responses you've gotten so far sahsah.

 

[Starlyte2]

Why don't all you vapers around this stuffy resto BAN IT ?!? And let them know you as a Vaper are noy using there services, reason being their anti-vape policy...and put a bit of explicative bumf in with your letter telling them you're banning them, and how vaping is safe etc.
BAN THEM! You must be enough there to send an impressive pile of letters, no?
If we hide under the covers, we'll become pirate-vapers or ex-vapers. Or we move our butts. Take your choice...

STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS, fellow vapers.

P.S. If they're employed they could get fired for letting you vape. But some servers are a**holes coz they do a lousy job

 

[sahsah]

If you were visiting someone's house, and they asked you not to vape inside, would you respect that? I would hope so. It's no different with a private business. Even before the sweeping smoking bans, there were plenty of restaurants that decided not to allow smoking. It's their call what they allow or not. No shoes, no shirt, no service. No smoking. No vaping. Etc. etc.

I did respect that, I don't get why I'm being painted as this brash, obtrusive, unrelenting nuisance, like I said before I said ok and stopped, payed, tipped heavily, and just politely asked why they didn't allow it since I was under the impression it was allowed everywhere.

 

[pelton54]

I am a bouncer on the weekends and it is true that we are allowed to make up whatever rules we want
I can tell people to take off their hats, pull up their pants, or even dictate what shirt colors are not allowed in my bar.
It may not be fair but it is the rules


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[Mapultz]

I did respect that, I don't get why I'm being painted as this brash, obtrusive, unrelenting nuisance, like I said before I said ok and stopped, payed, tipped heavily, and just politely asked why they didn't allow it since I was under the impression it was allowed everywhere.

I was drawing the comparison between people being allowed to dictate behaviors in their own home, to private businesses having the same right. I never said you were brash, obtrusive, or unrelenting.

Although I did point out that you were wrong that it is against the law for them to stop you from vaping in their establishment.

 

[sahsah]

Sahsah, nudists must have this trouble all the time!

What I do when out for dinner is ask our waitress/waiter if I may vape. They go to ask manager, and come back to say I can't because other customers may think I'm smoking. I understand and thank them for their effort. Then I set on the table my prettiest, decked out mod with my sparkliest drip tip right where everyone can see it.

I don't vape......just let it sit there in the hopes someone will ask me what it is and how it works, etc. I would love for anyone to stop by. Granny and Grandpaw proceed to have a good time having our tasty dinner. I figure the more people ask, even tho more than likely you'll be turned down, the more the managers and owners realize how fast vaping is growing or even become aware of it and more knowledgeable. I do this in as friendly, non threatening way as I can so that other customers will see that pretty or handsome vaping gear is definitely NOT a cigarette and belongs to this short, white haired, glasses wearing grandma. Maybe they'll become curious and start looking into vaping for a friend or family member or even themselves.....never know.

Thank you for the constructive advice instead of taking the route of many who seem to want to paint me as a brash and rude problem for the entire world wide vaping community. It was just a simple misunderstanding and I said sorry and stopped as soon as they told me, I just asked why they don't allow it. I was very polite and very accommodating. I just didn't know which was why I even took the two drags I did in the first place.