I don't use a ProVari,

[p.opus]

Its ok buddy. Have a beer and lighten up. You enjoy your mod, I will enjoy mine longer.

I don't care who you are....that's funny right there.....

Thank you for lightening the mood....It was getting hot in here....so....never mind...I'm not gonna finish that thought....yes I am...

I am so hot...I'm gonna take my clothes off......Had to....just had to.

 

[Smoot]

A lot of us are simply responding to the rabid fandom exhibitted by SOME (not all) very vocal ProVari users.

There's a reason that Phil Bussardo took a crack at ProVari fandom at the beginning of his review with the whole monk and candle thing and the Enigma gregorian chat bit.

Yes, PBussardo "gets it". And he uses a ProVari, but he also recognizes that ProVari owners come out of the wood work everytime someone says something that can be construed as negative about the device, and I've gotten some borderline hateful comments from some users.

It's not the ProVari itself that draws the hatred, it's the ProVari or nothing attitude that some here exhibit. I've been on this forum for quite sometime, and never have seen a Reo thread generate the viotrol a ProVari thread will generate.

You have great ProVari users like Baditude that give thoughtful advise and appreciate that a ProVari is a long term investment and should be viewed that way. He never pushes a ProVari on anyone without thoughtfully looking at their needs.

Then you have the "others" that feel that ProVape can do no wrong....No Variable Wattage? Don't need it, it's not "real". Clumsy single button UI?...You have to get used to it...High initial investment?.....It's made in the US and if you don't buy it, you are a commie...or you could afford cigs, so surely you can afford a ProVari...As if cost were the ONLY thing keeping people from buying it.

None of that comes from the REO camp.

Make no bones about it....The ProVari, in its self is fantastic at what it does, and it's build quality is without peer. But it has remained unchanged for nearly 4 years (with the exception of .5 amp current limit raise to 3.5 amps and cosmetic tube changes). When we were "blessed" with those ultra reliable 8080KRD's it did not take long to see the advantage of a ProVari, especially when your ROI was a year on the outside.

The vaping community has changed drastically in 4 years. There are many other choices. And while they may not be the same build quality as a ProVari, they are built well enough and perform well enough to extend the ROI of a Provari from a year to several years. And for some of us, it's not HOW much we spend, but how long to we have to spend before we see a savings. With a lower cost MVP or sigelei, If I can extend my ROI to three or more years, I feel much better about the ability to change devices as better and better units become available, instead of worrying about how long it takes me to get my $225.00 worth out of a product that hasn't changed significantly in the last 4 years.

Thank you for a well thought out reply!
This should be how the "debate" takes place.
Too many who have never owned certain devices or used certain devices throw their two cents in and that's what gets under my skin at least.
I don't go off to Zen, Rio or GG owners and tell them about how bad their choices were. I have never owned or used those mod's and have no reason to. If I did own one and didn't like it, I still would have no reason. Seems pointless.
But I will defend false claims to a device that has stood the test of time for "ME"...

 

[GetVaked]

I don't care who you are....that's funny right there.....

Thank you for lightening the mood....It was getting hot in here....so....never mind...I'm not gonna finish that thought....yes I am...

I am so hot...I'm gonna take my clothes off......Had to....just had to.

I'm about to get naked too.


Its the most comfortable way to sleep. Goodnight all, don't kill eachother I'm here. I love you all even if you do use an MVP or SVD.

 

[Rancor0681]

Maybe a little reading comprehension is in order - did you actually read the thread?
he broke his carto threads off in the top of the provari lol.


Troll attempt - minus 1 (failed)


and no - I am not a provari fanboy I own devices I like just as much or even better and usually more expensive, but to deny the provari is what it is makes people look like they are trolling for no reason.

Ya know your right the ProVari is what it is.

A 4 year old non updated device that costs more than it should.

 

[Coelli]

Ya know your right the ProVari is what it is.

In my opinion, it's a 4 year old non updated device that costs more than it should. But you should vape on whatever suits your taste and your budget.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[inanitydefined]

Hmm, center pin issues, connections that stretch out, wobbly bottom button, inconsistent ohm readings, non repairable battery, cheap materials. Lets not play that card. Nothing is fading away. If I really wanted to, I could put my Provari on the classifieds for a bit under retail and buy a couple MVPs, but honestly how many Provari owners are going out and doing that?

I did just that. traded off my provari for a zmax, a buzz pro and some cash. No interest in going back. The provari is a great unit yes, but would be great at about $40 less, not at its price. It has some flaws IMO that make other options more appealing

 

[Rancor0681]

Fixed that for ya.

Why ty .

 

[Smoot]

Ya know your right the ProVari is what it is.

A 4 year old non updated device that costs more than it should.

I think being that it is a 4 year old device in this ever changing industry "without having to change" is amazing.
Most of the newer upgrades that are in the other devices that I have had, were rarely used by me.

 

[p.opus]

I think being that it is a 4 year old device in this ever changing industry "without having to change" is amazing.
Most of the newer upgrades that are in the other devices that I have had, were rarely used by me.

It is quite a testament to the good design of the ProVari, but I think some "refinements" are in order.

1. Higher wattage/voltage capability. This is getting to be more important as dual head clearo's become more common place. Personally I think a dual head clearo is a bit of marketing hoo-ha to get you to spend more on heads, use more juice, and make it harder for us to rebuild them...but I digress. The market is moving towards dual heads and to properly fire them you need more juice from the device.

2. Improved UI. This is tantamount to sacrilege to some, but would it kill Provape to add some separate buttons or a dial to make voltage adjustments that much easier instead of press press press press press...?

3. Improved display. 3 digit LED is a bit long in the tooth, and this is coming from an MVP user who also wishes his display was a bit more informative. Something like the DNA 20 or other OLED's which can show me set voltage, battery remaining and ohms.. Or like some of them that actually show what my calculated wattage based on my given resistance on the coil so I can start training myself where to adjust before I take that hit.

4. Ego cone threading? Yes, I know...you can buy an adapter, but I really like eGo cone. I personally think it superior to 510 threading because of airflow issues that can occur, especially when flush mounting. And speaking of airflow, how about some air holes in that collar so I can flush mount my device. This is not a drop dead issue for me, but it does mean either getting an adapter or ditching 50 bucks invested in Mini PT2's.

5. Variable Wattage. No need to go into the VW or VV debate, but for those of us who frequently swap tanks, this is a big deal. Especially when combined with item 2. If I had dedicated voltage adjustment buttons for up and down, then I could easily readjust for taste...but....Press Press Press Press Press...adjust...Press..take a hit.....Press Press Press Press Press..adjust press..take another hit.... Puhleeze. If I had variable wattage, I could set it at my favorite wattage and just vape away....change tanks...no problem...change coils...no problem....

 

[PLANofMAN]

If you don't have a Provari you hate America and support cheapo China..

I haven't seen you in the ProVari forum...
I've spent way more on cheap Chinese stuff than I ever did on my ProVari. I love all of it!

Edit: Opus, do you have all of that saved in a MS Word file? You seem to pop up in every ProVari related thread posting the exact same list of complaints. We get it. It's "outdated technology" with an "inferior design that needs refinements."

I bet that I'll still be using mine in 10 years.

 

[inanitydefined]

It is quite a testament to the good design of the ProVari, but I think some "refinements" are in order.

1. Higher wattage/voltage capability. This is getting to be more important as dual head clearo's become more common place. Personally I think a dual head clearo is a bit of marketing hoo-ha to get you to spend more on heads, use more juice, and make it harder for us to rebuild them...but I digress. The market is moving towards dual heads and to properly fire them you need more juice from the device.

2. Improved UI. This is tantamount to sacrilege to some, but would it kill Provape to add some separate buttons or a dial to make voltage adjustments that much easier instead of press press press press press...?

3. Improved display. 3 digit LED is a bit long in the tooth, and this is coming from an MVP user who also wishes his display was a bit more informative. Something like the DNA 20 or other OLED's which can show me set voltage, battery remaining and ohms.. Or like some of them that actually show what my calculated wattage based on my given resistance on the coil so I can start training myself where to adjust before I take that hit.

4. Ego cone threading? Yes, I know...you can buy an adapter, but I really like eGo cone. I personally think it superior to 510 threading because of airflow issues that can occur, especially when flush mounting. And speaking of airflow, how about some air holes in that collar so I can flush mount my device. This is not a drop dead issue for me, but it does mean either getting an adapter or ditching 50 bucks invested in Mini PT2's.

5. Variable Wattage. No need to go into the VW or VV debate, but for those of us who frequently swap tanks, this is a big deal. Especially when combined with item 2. If I had dedicated voltage adjustment buttons for up and down, then I could easily readjust for taste...but....Press Press Press Press Press...adjust...Press..take a hit.....Press Press Press Press Press..adjust press..take another hit.... Puhleeze. If I had variable wattage, I could set it at my favorite wattage and just vape away....change tanks...no problem...change coils...no problem....

an excellent list. I'd add a few things to that
6. fix that horrid button. Its mushy and the throw feels all wrong. A crisp click would be much better in my opinion
7. a more efficient chip. When I got my zmax I was blown away by the battery life with the same panny cells vs the provari. over twice as long. Granted, the zmax starts dropping voltage after 3.6 volt, but it lasts longer to 3.6 volt than the provari did to cutoff.
8. aesthetics. this is a personal thing, but the provari is hideous. the top cap looks silly, especially with 22mm flush mount tanks becoming the thing. And these beauty rings are not the answer. Also, do something about those screws. It looks unfinished.

 

[p.opus]

I haven't seen you in the ProVari forum...
I've spent way more on cheap Chinese stuff than I ever did on my ProVari. I love all of it!

Edit: Opus, do you have all of that saved in a MS Word file? You seem to pop up in every ProVari related thread posting the exact same list of complaints. We get it. It's "outdated technology" with an "inferior design that needs refinements."

I bet that I'll still be using mine in 10 years.

What's your point? I was still using my 27 inch Hitachi for years after HD came out until it gave up the ghost, but that didn't make it better than HD....Couldn't connect my Hitachi to the internet and stream netflix....Not necessary in a TV, but it sure is nice to have. Just because you'll be using already aging technology in 10 years...(and you have no basis of fact for this, since there is no ProVari older than 4 years old......you have 6 years to go my friend...) doesn't mean ProVape should not be keeping up with the changes.

In 2010, the ProVari was a game changer. ProVape was the innovator. Now they are behind (technologically speaking). Plain and simple.

Most of these are valid hits. (the eGo cone is a stretch...but it's a personal nit pick of mine and admittedly a bit irrational). Just because you will be using the device in 10 years doesn't mean ProVape can't keep up with the times.

And my list isn't designed for existing ProVari users. They have your money, and because the ProVari is built like a brick poop house, they won't be getting a bunch more money from you unless you typically throw down 159.00 for a backup mod....which defies logic in every conceivable way.

And it's precisely that attitude that is frustrating....The ProVari is perfect....It hasn't changed in 4 years...It doesn't need to change now...

It's a very fine device, but it's not perfect. The UI is clunky no matter how you spin it. Even Provari owners complain of overshooting their selections now and then....New displays provide more information....Use them... Variable Wattage is here to stay.....embrace it. No one is saying ditch variable voltage but give users the option. Dual heads are becoming the new standard. you need to push more "juice" through them....Up the voltage/wattage limitation. It can be done and be done safely.

I am not the only one who feels this way. There are others who can appreciate that while the ProVari is a finely constructed and performing device, it doesn't nearly provide the bang for your buck that it did in 2010. Would you spend 500.00 for an Iphone 3? Heck no. Would you spend $1500.00 for a four year old mac? I don't think so...

So why do you expect users today to spend the same money for something that hasn't evolved in 4 years? There are devices now that have narrowed the gap and dare I say surpassed the ProVari in some things. Yet some ProVari owners expect time to stand still.

 

[scylla]

I would buy a Provari IF the price were less than half ($50?) what they are asking. I don't see the attraction in what is basically just a tube to deliver electricity to the most important part of the vaping device, the atomizer.
I have a Silver Bullet and it is rock solid reliable. That's all I ask from my battery holder. Had a Reo Grand (it was just o.k.) but I guess the acidity from juice or whatever finally made the plastic button too squeaky. Off to the landfill she went.
I'm on the lookout for a purely stainless steel mechanical mod, but until then the SB will do just fine.

Just ordered a Kayfun Lite Plus to see if it tackles the weak link in vaping. I've always hated popping $8 atomizers.

 

[Baditude]

Not picking a fight here. Just adding my thoughts...

1. Higher wattage/voltage capability. This is getting to be more important as dual head clearo's become more common place. Personally I think a dual head clearo is a bit of marketing hoo-ha to get you to spend more on heads, use more juice, and make it harder for us to rebuild them...but I digress. The market is moving towards dual heads and to properly fire them you need more juice from the device.

The current Provari can easily fire dual coil clearomizers and cartomizers now. Unless you are Grimm Green who attempted to fire a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer at 6 volts in his review. Really, Grimm?

I can't speak for Provape, but it seems they have been targeting a more mainstream customer base for the Provari. In reality, few vapers vape at the severe high end of wattage power. Provape seems to believe their customers want more choices in body and LED colors. Does that mean the Provari is not "cutting edge"? Probably not, but it continues to do "what it does" as well as any PV on the market. And it continues to sell extremely well and continues to hold its value extremely well when sold used. Provape is not hurting for business. They're selling a lot of Provari's "as is".

If you want cutting edge features, then the Provari likely isn't for you.

2. Improved UI. This is tantamount to sacrilege to some, but would it kill Provape to add some separate buttons or a dial to make voltage adjustments that much easier instead of press press press press press...?

This is a subjective preference. Do other regulated PV's that use the single button format get this much criticism? (ie. Smoktech VMax, Zmax, and SID, iTaste 134, KSD KMax, Vapeonly vPower).

3. Improved display. 3 digit LED is a bit long in the tooth, and this is coming from an MVP user who also wishes his display was a bit more informative. Something like the DNA 20 or other OLED's which can show me set voltage, battery remaining and ohms.. Or like some of them that actually show what my calculated wattage based on my given resistance on the coil so I can start training myself where to adjust before I take that hit.

Provape has defended its use of the current LED as opposed to an OLED because it is the most durable and liquid-proof display on the market. Liquids (water, e-liquids, alcohol) can quickly destroy an OLED. The Provari can and has been submerged in water with no resulting issues with the display. At one time Provape suggested using isopropal baths for the Provari.

4. Ego cone threading? Yes, I know...you can buy an adapter, but I really like eGo cone. I personally think it superior to 510 threading because of airflow issues that can occur, especially when flush mounting. And speaking of airflow, how about some air holes in that collar so I can flush mount my device. This is not a drop dead issue for me, but it does mean either getting an adapter or ditching 50 bucks invested in Mini PT2's.

I'll agree that an eGo thread is a more durable thread format. Fact is the 510 thread format remains the most popular thread for high end mods.

I have a Protank 2 and have had no issue with air flow with it, or any other 510 threaded device. Again, how many other high end devices get criticized for not having eGo threading?

5. Variable Wattage. No need to go into the VW or VV debate, but for those of us who frequently swap tanks, this is a big deal. Especially when combined with item 2. If I had dedicated voltage adjustment buttons for up and down, then I could easily readjust for taste...but....Press Press Press Press Press...adjust...Press..take a hit.....Press Press Press Press Press..adjust press..take another hit.... Puhleeze. If I had variable wattage, I could set it at my favorite wattage and just vape away....change tanks...no problem...change coils...no problem....

I've already discussed this previously in this discussion. I guess that I am unique in having all of my juice attachments within o.5 ohms resistance. Does everyone else but me vape only one flavor of juice? Does no one else adjust power to taste for each flavor used?

...because the ProVari is built like a brick poop house, they won't be getting a bunch more money from you unless you typically throw down 159.00 for a backup mod....which defies logic in every conceivable way.

I loved my first Provari so much that I bought a second one. My "logic" was should my beloved Provari ever need to be serviced, I couldn't imagine having to go a week without it and use what I considered to be a less satisfying (even inferior IMHO) mod. Why shouldn't my backup be as nice as my primary?

 

[PLANofMAN]

...
In 2010, the ProVari was a game changer. ProVape was the innovator. Now they are behind (technologically speaking). Plain and simple.
...

I can't say as I agree with you. I believed that ProVape set out to build a reliable, durable device that produced accurate voltage. I don't think there's anything in it that is "innovative."

Heck they even use a leaf spring switch for the power button. No one uses those. Except ProVape and the military. Ditto for the LED screen. It is what it is. Some of your arguments have some merit, and I even agree with you on the eGo threading (even though that would add length to the device), but I don't see them changing much of anything until or unless they stop getting sales.

It's a catch 22. As long as they keep making a simple, durable device, people will keep buying them. Point in case- the ProVape 1. Compared to the ProVari, it's even more hopelessly outdated, but there is still a market for it.

 

[scylla]

If there is one truism these days, it is "innovate or die". Resting on 4 year old tech. is just lazy and a sure way to be left behind.

Maybe it won't be the Chinese who do it but someone is gonna knock Provari of their pedestal. And soon i'll bet. Keep an eye on those Filipinos. I hear those chaps are starting to make some interesting mods.

 

[p.opus]

Not picking a fight here. Just adding my thoughts...

The current Provari can easily fire dual coil clearomizers and cartomizers now. Unless you are Grimm Green who attempted to fire a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer at 6 volts in his review. Really, Grimm?

I can't speak for Provape, but it seems they have been targeting a more mainstream customer base for the Provari. In reality, few vapers vape at the severe high end of wattage power. Provape seems to believe their customers want more choices in body and LED colors. Does that mean the Provari is not "cutting edge"? Probably not, but it continues to do "what it does" as well as any PV on the market. And it continues to sell extremely well and continues to hold its value extremely well when sold used.

This is a subjective preference. Do other regulated PV's that use the single button format get this much criticism? (ie. Smoktech VMax, Zmax, and SID, iTaste 134, KSD KMax, Vapeonly vPower).

Provape has defended its use of the current LED as opposed to an OLED because it is the most durable and liquid-proof display on the market. Liquids can quickly destroy an OLED. The Provari can and has been submerged in water with no resulting issues with the display.

I'll agree that an eGo thread is a more durable thread format. I have a Protank 2 and have had no issue with air flow with it or any other 510 threaded device. Again, how many other high end devices get criticized for not having eGo threading?

I've already discussed this previously in this discussion. I guess that I am unique in having all of my juice attachments in the 2.0 - 2.5 ohm resistance. Does everyone else but me vape only one flavor of juice?

Very good points.
1. The ProVari is aimed at the mainstream vaper so it does not need higher voltage requirements. True, the ProVari can hit dual coils now, but a dual coil firing at 10 watts is only getting 5 watts per coil. This results in a somewhat cooler vape. I know of users who commonly fire single coils at 8 watts which would equate to 16 watts in a dual coil arrangement. Now my logic may be wrong here but the dual coils fire at half the power because they are in parallel. Does this mean twice the vapor at half the heat? I'm not an expert and I'm willing to concede this point.
2. Improved UI. I can only address the iTaste 134. It has a single adjustment ring to dial in the desired wattage, it is not a variable voltage device and does not have a visible ohm reader, although one is used to set the desired wattage. This device is very easy to adjust because there are separate controls outside the fire button for making adjustments. Can't comment on the others.
3. LED display and resistance to liquids. Never thought of that. I'll give you that one. Not as sexy, but if it's due to ruggedness I can actually get behind that decisions.
4. Ego cone is just a personal nitpick of mine. Frankly i don't understand why the smallest toppers (Evod and Mini PT 2's and similar) have the beefier threads. Yet a 5ml Aspire Nautilus has 510 threads. I get that Aspire wants to sell to the widest available markets, but 510 threading was designed for carto's that are not the 5ml beasts that now use them. People have broken toppers off in their Provari's a testament to their strength...My frustration with the 510 only connector goes beyond ProVape, so I guess that's not fair, but I'd still like ProVape to put the Ego Cone on standard....It wouldn't take anything away from the existing design.
5. Variable Wattage. I too have all my juice in 2.6 to 2.9 resistance containers. I have never been in the habit to tweak to taste. I set a value that works well with all my juice and then forget it. For someone raised on variable voltage, tweaking is second nature. For someone like me coming straight from Ego-T's it's a hassle. This is why I promote both. And if the ProVari had an alternate means of adjusting voltage, it would be less an issue, but if you are adjusting for taste, you have a minimum of 7 presses to adjust up .1 volts. 5 to enter adjustment mode, one to select power up and 1 to make the adjustment. Adjusting down requires 8 presses to go down .1 volt.

I'm not saying you can't get used to it, but surely there has to be a more elegant way to do so. If I had dedicated + or - buttons or a dial that I can rotate back and forth, I could adjust directly without additional button presses and variable wattage would mean much less to me. But if they did offer variable wattage, I could live with the many presses to adjust wattage because I would find my sweet spot and keep it.....but that's how I vape....I vape as low as I can get away with because it tends to gunk up my coils less. YMMV....

 

[Baditude]

If there is one truism these days, it is "innovate or die". Resting on 4 year old tech. is just lazy and a sure way to be left behind.

Maybe it won't be the Chinese who do it but someone is gonna knock Provari of their pedestal. And soon i'll bet. Keep an eye on those Filipinos. I hear those chaps are starting to make some interesting mods.

Mechanicals yes, regulated mods? I haven't seen any. Besides, a large part of the Provari's appeal has been the ease of immediate availability (no waiting lists or out-of-stock lists), Provape's warranty, customer service, and reliable speedy repair service at a reasonable cost after warranty. Can those Filipino manufacturers match the customer service which Provape has proven over 4 years? Or will they follow the Chinese custom of offering no service after the warranty?

 

[PLANofMAN]

Every mod I've owned that had "clicky" or multiple buttons has always managed to either fire, or adjust itself to extremely high or low voltage/wattage when I put it in my pocket without turning it off first.

I view the multiple button clicks to adjust my voltage as a fair tradeoff for not having to do multiple button pushes to turn my device off and on every time I put it in my pocket.

 

[Funk Dracula]

Wait a minute???

The internet just got better.

I'm just now noticing an "Innokin Army" banner in some signatures... LOL "Team Edward vs Team Jacob"

Carry on girls...

(please relax and don't take that personally peeps!)