yeah, Puffon!. I love that you wrote. Thanks for sharing Rep. Nugent's response.
I guess the "regulations" are starting.
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Saw on an ECF board that Virgin Vapor has notified its customers that they will no longer offer PG/VG or flavor (XF) customization due to new AEMSA/pending FDA regulations.
Are these new regulations going to impact ECBlends in the same way?
(God, please say "No"...)
We are currently AEMSA CERTIFIED. We will continue to offer you the same products that you know and love. At this time no changes will be made to what we carry. I hope this answers your question. Please let me know if I may further assist you.
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Sara
ECBlend Flavors
Yet another reason I've loved these guys for four long years!
Oh wow. goodie, I see it has already started.
Let's start cannabalizing our own, and creating more divisions and rifts INSIDE THE VERY INDUSTRY that we are trying to protect.
Ah well, this doesn't suprise me. Pitting vendors against each other, one upping each other, all of it.......looks to me like the FDA isn't the only greedy one here.
I, on the other hand, will strongly support AESMA vendors, and those like Mountain Oaks, etc. because they actually have a clue about making eliquids and testing them, ensuring correct nicotine content (unlike some companies in the past), putting batch numbers on ejuice that I put into my body, and generally adopting a RESPONSIBLE program for making safe and consistent ejuice.
Because I don't want to end up with a juice company like the one that put titanium dioxide in my juice,
because I don't believe that "d'oh, I didn't know" was a good enough excuse when my health was at risk.
and while ya'll are at it, kicking AESMA members to the curb........... better include SFATA members as well.
they support child proof caps, age standards, certain kind of labelling, use of clean rooms, etc.
they support child proof caps, age standards, certain kind of labelling, use of clean rooms, etc.
I cannot support AEMSA, because they disallow WTA. Sorry, but I need that stuff, so anyone who bans it is not on my friend list.
I'm not wild about child-proof caps either, because sometimes they just WILL NOT OPEN; at least, so far when that has happened, it's been in an LDPE bottle I could stab with a syringe to get the contents out. And, living in a child-free home as I do, I resent the hell out of child-proof caps on EVERYTHING. I have arthritis in my hands, and while it doesn't trouble me severely, it will only get worse as I get older. I resent the hell out of parents so clueless that they leave the stuff out where kids can get at it, making those PITA caps necessary for everyone, whether they have kids around or not.
Andria
I'm not wild about child-proof caps either, because sometimes they just WILL NOT OPEN; at least, so far when that has happened, it's been in an LDPE bottle I could stab with a syringe to get the contents out. And, living in a child-free home as I do, I resent the hell out of child-proof caps on EVERYTHING. I have arthritis in my hands, and while it doesn't trouble me severely, it will only get worse as I get older. I resent the hell out of parents so clueless that they leave the stuff out where kids can get at it, making those PITA caps necessary for everyone, whether they have kids around or not.
Andria
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Because I don't want to end up with a juice company like the one that put titanium dioxide in my juice,
What's Wrong with a little Titanium Dioxide in your e-Liquid. I heard it makes your Teeth Whiter.
And these are the Things that Happen in a Completely Unregulated Market.
Oh wow. goodie, I see it has already started.
Let's start cannabalizing our own, and creating more divisions and rifts INSIDE THE VERY INDUSTRY that we are trying to protect.
Ah well, this doesn't suprise me. Pitting vendors against each other, one upping each other, all of it.......looks to me like the FDA isn't the only greedy one here.
I, on the other hand, will strongly support AESMA vendors, and those like Mountain Oaks, etc. because they actually have a clue about making eliquids and testing them, ensuring correct nicotine content (unlike some companies in the past), putting batch numbers on ejuice that I put into my body, and generally adopting a RESPONSIBLE program for making safe and consistent ejuice.
Because I don't want to end up with a juice company like the one that put titanium dioxide in my juice,
Comments like this lead me to believe one would toss the baby out with the bath water as long as it served their own interest.
Assuming a Vender is inept simply because they have not spent thousands to join an organization created by a limited few and rigorously dictating how things will be done(their way) is just plain reckless.
Some venders have been taking this seriously since long before any organizations were thought about, much less formed.
I am all for safe standards.
I am not at all for (unionization) under the guise or organization.
America was founded on small business
Our Niche is heavily supported by SMALL BUSINESS
Remember, we all have choice. Don't be so quick to assume one choice is more correct than another. It is all personal belief over reality until a final decision is forced upon those attempting choose.
How did the USA ever survive without all these regulations that seem to dictate every little thing in life anymore. Seems people no longer think for themselves since they have a nanny. They get dumber by the day.
FDA? Who's this FDA?
The same folks who OK'ed using Radioactive substances in regular cigs?
The folks who Ok'ed thousands of toxic chemicals to go into the lungs of smokers?
You mean the same people who put all the Anti Biotic junk in all the meat?
Do you mean the folks who created super bugs?
Please god, please keep people like these away from vaping! We are doing fine without them, we don't need radiation or super bugs in our vape.These are the last folks to have any say in any matter what so ever.
Only fools in paradise wait for words from such people.
The same folks who OK'ed using Radioactive substances in regular cigs?
The folks who Ok'ed thousands of toxic chemicals to go into the lungs of smokers?
You mean the same people who put all the Anti Biotic junk in all the meat?
Do you mean the folks who created super bugs?
Please god, please keep people like these away from vaping! We are doing fine without them, we don't need radiation or super bugs in our vape.These are the last folks to have any say in any matter what so ever.
Only fools in paradise wait for words from such people.
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I'm just trying to wrap my head around why we'd want to throw away all the nic. It keeps me from committing murder, and possibly from losing my marbles as I age. And allows me to concentrate and focus on the task at hand. Nicotine is my friend, and will not be leaving anytime soon, if ever.
Andria
Andria
An alternative to side-step these regulations could be to sell the eliquid separately from the nicotine and have the end-user mix it themselves. So they would make the VG/PG, flavoring, cool-hit, etc in one bottle and sell the nicotine separately in another bottle.
Oh wow. goodie, I see it has already started.
Let's start cannabalizing our own, and creating more divisions and rifts INSIDE THE VERY INDUSTRY that we are trying to protect.
Ah well, this doesn't suprise me. Pitting vendors against each other, one upping each other, all of it.......looks to me like the FDA isn't the only greedy one here.
I, on the other hand, will strongly support AESMA vendors, and those like Mountain Oaks, etc. because they actually have a clue about making eliquids and testing them, ensuring correct nicotine content (unlike some companies in the past), putting batch numbers on ejuice that I put into my body, and generally adopting a RESPONSIBLE program for making safe and consistent ejuice.
Because I don't want to end up with a juice company like the one that put titanium dioxide in my juice,
I don't see what this has to do with cannibalizing anything. I never liked Virgin Vapors' juice - it has an alcohol taste to it that takes months (if ever) to steep off. All I'm saying is that not all AEMSA juice vendors are making these changes. Have no intention of "kicking AEMSA members to the curb" either. If anything, I prefer to buy from vendors who ARE certified.
http://vapordiet.blogspot.com/2013/11/vaping-diet.html
Are these groups being solicited to join?
Is the FDA including None e-liquid(nic) in their plans for control?
Certifications and Memberships are not co-dependent.
Companies can meet or exceed (group) set standards any yet be black balled because of non-membership and not paying Monthly Fees.
People need to wake up.
This is NO different than expecting large Food processing companies to meet rigorous standards yet(many of us) reserve the desire to freely purchase specialty/home made from local markets, small business, Fairs, Bizzars, Fund raisers.
** Can you tell...........In a country where most CHILDRENS Lemonaide stands are ILLEGAL for one or another (big busines) reason
I am just a little FED UP.
How long before government or Big Business Demands FREEDOM and CHOICE be banned from all language?
Are these groups being solicited to join?
Is the FDA including None e-liquid(nic) in their plans for control?
Certifications and Memberships are not co-dependent.
Companies can meet or exceed (group) set standards any yet be black balled because of non-membership and not paying Monthly Fees.
People need to wake up.
This is NO different than expecting large Food processing companies to meet rigorous standards yet(many of us) reserve the desire to freely purchase specialty/home made from local markets, small business, Fairs, Bizzars, Fund raisers.
** Can you tell...........In a country where most CHILDRENS Lemonaide stands are ILLEGAL for one or another (big busines) reason
I am just a little FED UP.
How long before government or Big Business Demands FREEDOM and CHOICE be banned from all language?
The base ingredients on their own may be FDA registered for consumer use as safe for human consumption by the original manufacturer... but that classification does not mean FDA approval for any specific use or application.
But... as soon as you mix one chemical with another, it becomes something completely different from the original registered product. I believe you can't assume that the base ingredients being approved makes any final products of several components to be safe, approved or anything else until it has been tested and certified.
Also, a Flavor may be consider GRAS to be Eating it on an Occasional Bases. But that does not mean that it may be considered GRAS to be Inhaled Habitually every Waking Hour of the Day. 7 Days a Week. 365 a Year. Over Many Years.
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